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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:13   #101
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is it just me, or is everyone overlooking the fact they have been hacked before.
Why would most people give their real details knowing that they've been breeched in the past.
Ah well.
It depends what defines 'reasonable protection'...

Most government departments have been hacked before, but it doesn't stop you giving information to them.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:13   #102
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LETS COMPLAIN THAT THEY'RE NOT CLOSING ACCOUNTS!

But boss, they ARE closing accounts!

THEN LETS COMPLAIN THEY'RE CLOSING TOO MANY!

did u not see the words common sense? using that might perhaps help there plight
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i am only agrivated 'bout the fact that they don't seem to have their priorities straight.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:15   #104
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did u not see the words common sense? using that might perhaps help there plight
Hasn't worked so far.

People ALWAYS complain.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:35   #105
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whats this? showing who's boss?
It's called enforcing the rules they have laid out.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:40   #106
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It's called enforcing the rules they have laid out.
i would have thought tho the people in charge of the removal of cheaters would be allowed some amount of flexibility whereby they can make a judgement on a case using some common sense rather than sticking the the letter of the law. But then i wasnt exactly gonna hold my breath for them to have much of it...
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:43   #107
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You have to go by the letter of the law, or else there can be room for favouritism, or accusations for it.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:46   #108
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They won't sell the information because it's Illegal, Illegal.
If I got to watch everyone who made an "illegal" joke get hit by the bus. (Proclaimer: very little toy bus of rubber)

Oh well dream on.

Anyhow, the exact thing happened to me in another online game, I signed up using the name "Ord Ordsen" and I was currently a US student from Zimbabwe. Now half the spam I get in my mail inbox is for a Mr. Ord Ordsen, who needs everything from Viagra to anti hairloss pills. Ive done this in most online games I play, so I can locate who sold my info and who dident. They had the same promise on their signup page that PA has, so excuse me if I chose to stay sceptical.

Im not from Zimbabwe and my name is not Ord Ordsen btw.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:49   #109
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It depends what defines 'reasonable protection'...

Most government departments have been hacked before, but it doesn't stop you giving information to them.
dream on...

still u closed him for a pathetic reason...
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If I got to watch everyone who made an "illegal" joke get hit by the bus. (Proclaimer: very little toy bus of rubber)

Oh well dream on.

Anyhow, the exact thing happened to me in another online game, I signed up using the name "Ord Ordsen" and I was currently a US student from Zimbabwe. Now half the spam I get in my mail inbox is for a Mr. Ord Ordsen, who needs everything from Viagra to anti hairloss pills. Ive done this in most online games I play, so I can locate who sold my info and who dident. They had the same promise on their signup page that PA has, so excuse me if I chose to stay sceptical.

Im not from Zimbabwe and my name is not Ord Ordsen btw.
If you really do so you should know that PA did not sell personal details to 3rd party. You would have received spam mail for the user you signed up as if they sold it.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 15:50   #111
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It depends where you are; if the games are based in, say, Cuba, then there's no DPA; contact the companies concerned.
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dream on...

still u closed him for a pathetic reason...
I'm dreaming that government departments have been hacked?

ps. I have never closed anyone.
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dream on...

still u closed him for a pathetic reason...
as pathetic as any other rule or law breaking.
As I said when I left our bg channel because I was tired of this "it's pathetic": He broke the rules, so he gets punished.

NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE THINKS OF THE RULES. You accept to obey them by signing up so don't cry like a girl if you break them and get caught.

It's pissing me off now, can't any mod delete this pathetic thread where common sense is an unknown intelligence for most people?
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If you really do so you should know that PA did not sell personal details to 3rd party. You would have received spam mail for the user you signed up as if they sold it.
Time will tell.
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The address that I signed up with hasn't got ANY spam.
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where common sense is an unknown intelligence for most people?
I hope you re-read that and realised that it makes absolutly no sense.
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The address that I signed up with hasn't got ANY spam.
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Well, I guess some mod / admin is about to close this thread soon, so I come up with a suggestion how we can get rid off this problem with the "false sign up information deletions":

We simply bring back in the old paragraph 7 of the user agreement and look, we do not need to provide any reason at all \o/

Scary, isn't it? *g*
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Well, I guess some mod / admin is about to close this thread soon, so I come up with a suggestion how we can get rid off this problem with the "false sign up information deletions":

We simply bring back in the old paragraph 7 of the user agreement and look, we do not need to provide any reason at all \o/

Scary, isn't it? *g*

WE ? Heartless still beliving to be in the loop

Should i bring back the scary logs of last round where you whinned and threatend me to abuse your pacrew connections to get my gal investigated closer along paragraph 7 for such details like phonenumbers and addresses if i wouldnt order a recall from your galaxy?
Still having a good laugh on them.
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seeing that in the past ppl got closed for less while others who did much worse were reopened i can only say this is one questionable decision in a long list...
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WE ? Heartless still beliving to be in the loop

Should i bring back the scary logs of last round where you whinned and threatend me to abuse your pacrew connections to get my gal investigated closer along paragraph 7 for such details like phonenumbers and addresses if i wouldnt order a recall from your galaxy?
Still having a good laugh on them.
\o/ weee ... focht \o/

I knew one more person with a "I-can-do-everything-and-all-have-to-accept-it"-attitude that I missed on this thread \o/
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Requesting all this info is nonsence. They don't need it and should not have it. I don't trust anyone with my real data. I'm a twelve year old girl and my father told me never to give my real adress and stuff to strangers over the internet.

Companies like this have gone bankrupt before. And what will happen to my info then? And what if they change the useragreement after a while (as they have done before).
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I've ALWAYS signed up with my real details, and I've never ever gotten any spam or anything else because of it. So there.

In any case, good job PA team, you seem to have improved alot and I seriously believe these actions will give people more faith in playing a game more fair and not stay away for future rounds. People who leave because of it were probably cheating themselves, so no loss there.
Now go delete that multi in my gal which I've reported so many times already.
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Requesting all this info is nonsence. They don't need it and should not have it. I don't trust anyone with my real data. I'm a twelve year old girl and my father told me never to give my real adress and stuff to strangers over the internet.

Companies like this have gone bankrupt before. And what will happen to my info then? And what if they change the useragreement after a while (as they have done before).
Don't people under 13 have to sign up with parental consent anyway, when personal info is given?
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\o/ weee ... focht \o/

I knew one more person with a "I-can-do-everything-and-all-have-to-accept-it"-attitude that I missed on this thread \o/
i didnt say he should get away with it, if you read up, youll find out i said it was correct he was close (also in the other thread to this topic).

The only thing i indeed stated is that usual a few ppl are more equal then others, seeing you are pa crew and threatening ppl with such hillarious bs, make me wonder why you would post here, seeing prolly you are the prime example of powerabuse and double justice.
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i didnt say he should get away with it, if you read up, youll find out i said it was correct he was close (also in the other thread to this topic).

The only thing i indeed stated is that usual a few ppl are more equal then others, seeing you are pa crew and threatening ppl with such hillarious bs, make me wonder why you would post here, seeing prolly you are the prime example of powerabuse and double justice.
Considering I do pay-to-play support there is absolutely no power I could abuse except taking all the money and do a 3 day trip to bahamas.
And where is double justice in me working voluntarily for a game?
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Before I read the log with Spinner I wasn't really worried about my user details in the hands of SimTech. Now I really am. So Spinner is keeping a database with nicks and alliances and real life info? And he is looking up people in directories? And he is asking fellow alliance members to provide rl information about other players? How SICK is that. During the last rounds I have seen a lot of unprofessionalism within Fifth Season and now SimTech but that really tops everything I have experienced so far.

Other companies spend millions of Dollars to improve their customer relationship management but you have nothing better to do than gather intelligence about us? I don't remember if I signed up with real, partly faked or completely faked info but I know for sure that I will never ever give out my rl details to any PA team member again.
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'soviel wir wissen' would be 'that much we know'
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and btw 'For all we know' is 'Soviel/soweit wir wissen'
'that much we know' is 'soviel wissen wir'.
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hmmmmm, in the same EULA which says that Planetation won't sell your user details to anyone - it also says:

13. We cannot ensure that your private communications and other
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So I fully understand why some people may not be willing to enter all their personal information - however I believe that if this is the case then they simply shouldn't play the game. After all - no one is forcing them to.
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You're legally allowed to ask them if they hold information on you, and to correct it if it is wrong.

You can't ask them not to hold it, as it is helpful in the running of the business.
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seeing that in the past ppl got closed for less while others who did much worse were reopened i can only say this is one questionable decision in a long list...
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hmmmmm, in the same EULA which says that Planetation won't sell your user details to anyone - it also says:

13. We cannot ensure that your private communications and other
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So I fully understand why some people may not be willing to enter all their personal information - however I believe that if this is the case then they simply shouldn't play the game. After all - no one is forcing them to.
That basically means that they'll comply with government requests to view data should it occur, why government would want to view I dunno, but that's not really much to worry about is it people? Extremely unlikely it's actually going to happen.

As for the hacking issue that paragraph refers to, PA has only ever been hacked once iirc, back in round 4. They have not been hacked since.

Oh, and finally, anyone complaining about Frucht's deletion, let's face it, in terms of black and white rules of the game, which you agreed to when you put a check in that little box on sign up, it says those supplying incorrect account information will be deleted. Frucht supplied incorrect information, what should happen to him? If someone accountshares, do we not delete them because we don't think it's as bad as say multiing? (Note: I don't want to start a debate about whether accountsharing is as bad as multiing.)

If you don't agree to the rules, then don't check that box, and don't play. It's not that hard is it?????
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we can all be smart ass's and say: This are the rules and live with it but:

1) If you were #1 your self and closed for this reason you would find it stupid aswell, so dont come with your smart ass talk now pls

2) If you would check, i dont think more then 1% gives out there real phone number etc.... now you can all say: "I did, i did!" but think before you post, you dont wanna be a lier do you?
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I filled in all my info correctly but didnt fill in my phonenumber if I recall well (possibly I actually did it but I never do that when signing up to anything on the net)


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see, now thats what i mean you would be angry your self but we all come up with: its good, you need to follow the rules" cause its someone alse... thats a bit hypocrit
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see, now thats what i mean you would be angry your self but we all come up with: its good, you need to follow the rules" cause its someone alse... thats a bit hypocrit
You can't go against the rules. If I accountshared and got to #1, people would be in uproar. It's this relaxed attitude to cheating, saying "oh well, he only farmed once, just take away some roids, don't delete me", or "only my GC knew about our multi escorts, don't spoil the rest of the gal's round" that's damaging the game. Get hard on the cheaters/rule breakers, and they'll learn that it doesn't pay.

Once again, you agree to terms, you can't complain if you break them and the punishment stated is executed. Try taking it like a man instead of coming on the boards and whining like a stuck pig.
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You can't go against the rules. If I accountshared and got to #1, people would be in uproar. It's this relaxed attitude to cheating, saying "oh well, he only farmed once, just take away some roids, don't delete me", or "only my GC knew about our multi escorts, don't spoil the rest of the gal's round" that's damaging the game. Get hard on the cheaters/rule breakers, and they'll learn that it doesn't pay.

Once again, you agree to terms, you can't complain if you break them and the punishment stated is executed. Try taking it like a man instead of coming on the boards and whining like a stuck pig.
I just re-read Frucht's post and I really can't see where you got the 'whining like a stuck pig' from. Imo he stayed rather calm.
If you accountshared and got to #1 people indeed would be in an uproar. If you followed the threads on AD/PD about cheating during the last months you must have noticed that public opinion about cheating heavily changed and that all major alliances deal with cheators in the appropriate way.

However, providing false personal information does not affect the gameplay itself whatsoever. Nobody got hurt.
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However, providing false personal information does not affect the gameplay itself whatsoever. Nobody got hurt.
However he still broke the rules. Breaking the rules = punishment. Confirming account-creation is agreeing to that. It was clearly warned for people to see it. You really can't complain when it happens.

Thus I don't see the point of creating this thread. The creation of this thread was the whining I referred to. Maybe whining was a bad wording, but it's still pointless complaints.
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However he still broke the rules. Breaking the rules = punishment. Confirming account-creation is agreeing to that. It was clearly warned for people to see it. You really can't complain when it happens.

Thus I don't see the point of creating this thread. The creation of this thread was the whining I referred to. Maybe whining was a bad wording, but it's still pointless complaints.
Punishment, yes. But a reasonable one. Frucht faced the same punishment as if he used a 600 bot planet army to kill off say IPC. And that is simply ridiculous.
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Punishment, yes. But a reasonable one. Frucht faced the same punishment as if he used a 600 bot planet army to kill off say IPC. And that is simply ridiculous.
The punishment is specified, I believe.
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Punishment, yes. But a reasonable one. Frucht faced the same punishment as if he used a 600 bot planet army to kill off say IPC. And that is simply ridiculous.
It was the punishment listed for the rule break he committed. When he signed up to the game saying he accepted the rules, he implied he'd accept this punishment. Therefore really leaving himself no room for complaint.
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The punishment is specified, I believe.
If it is specified then it should be altered to match different categories of offenses.

Something along the line as cc-fraud > bot army > multiing > acc sharing > offensive banner > false user information. I don't want to start a discussion which offense is worth than others but there definitely should be different consequences.
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What I found under 'Game Rules':

Punishments:

There are several ways of punishing people who have broken any of the above mentioned rules. Please note that the applied punishments are not fixed per case and are as everything at the discretion of the Planetarion HQ to implement as they see fit. Punishments can include:

Temporary ban: forced vacation mode for your planet for a fixed number of ticks
Reduction in assets: Loss of resources, asteroids or fleet in relation to the committed offense.
Full planet reset: planet is reset to the pre-game status, 3 uninitiated roids, research/construction cleared, fleets / scans / etc. cleared.
Closure/Deletion of account: removal from the account from the game.

So Spinner/MrBrick have chosen the hardest punishment possible for what is in my eyes a minor offense.
Additionally, I just read the User Agreement (very quickly) and I could not find a passage saying that the user is obliged to provide 'correct' information regarding herself.
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Can I get closed for not having filled in my phonenumber?
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If it is specified then it should be altered to match different categories of offenses.

Something along the line as cc-fraud > bot army > multiing > acc sharing > offensive banner > false user information. I don't want to start a discussion which offense is worth than others but there definitely should be different consequences.
Probably, but they never have before.
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A serious question.

Can I get closed for not having filled in my phonenumber?
I just checked it out for ya

You cannot leave the field blank. You must fill in some digits otherwise the form won't get submitted.

For further questions I'd contact MrBrick who is very helpful in #support.
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Probably, but they never have before.
Round 10 would be a good start to do so.
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