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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 19:36   #1
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Angry if playing PA means 100 ticks of fun...

I am back to a normal activity at work with a bit less than 60h a week at work. So I have decided to be active again in PA. I am now playing for 5 days. I was a bit out of the loop in the meantime so I started to catch up with the last events in PA. Here are some piece of info I can get easily:
- VOM lost
- NAR lost
- WEET split up
- ET is doing very well
- WP/Ely is losing and might be able to survive one more week (maybe 2 by miracle).
Then a HC WP tells me about an agreement between WP/Ely and some alliances in VOM.
I am asking to one of the HC in Olympians and he denies.
I am asking to another HC in VOM and he confirms.
First and foremost, that makes me really sad to see that a HC in the alliance I am the founder can lie to me.
Then any kind of agreement will give WP/Ely the impression that VOM is supporting them. just as a reminder:
- They are those who have accepted to have an unballanced round.
- They are those who knew they would be backstabbed because we told them and because we gave them some evidence of that and have taken the risk.
- They are those who have attacked VOM every single day.
If they think that VOM is allied then VOM legits their previous decisions and they will do it next round over and over again, hoping for another end of round.
My opinion is that VOM has to tell them clearly that this kind of alliance to win at all cost is bad not only for PA in general because that makes a lot players leave PA, but for them as well because nobody will give any chance to their attempt at killing the game. The only chance for everybody to have some fun is to have a balanced round. Anybody who wants an unbalanced round is just selfish and wants to have some fun even if the others have no fun at all. Now, they have to feel how stupid they have been. Either VOM can make this round fun one more week by attacking ET only, or we can change things to have a better PA next rounds. Is it better to have some fun now and not later on?
Do we really want to play PA for 100 ticks of fun?
To that question the answer of VOM is currently: "we want to have one more week of fun in THIS round". This is a very selfish attitude as well in my opinion.
WP and Ely are gonna lose anyway because they are still looking for the roids and not to kill the ships of ET. They are attacking the smallest gals to get some roids easily but they are taking 100 roids out of a small galaxies while ET is getting 5k roids out of some WP/Ely players. In a word, they have no chance.
So what will you decide guys? Will you learn from the PA history? Will you ever make another funny round? PA crew can help us to get some fun and they are doing their best effort, but they can't make it fun alone. All of us have to look for a funny round for everyone not only for 50 players in the universe, or one day PA will be 50 players in an empty universe. Is that what we are looking for?
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 19:43   #2
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well good to have u back
MPT forever.

But this nap/packt between WE and VOM, what can any of those earn from that?
Well WE is hitting the big ET gals? or is my info all wrong?
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 19:53   #3
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I think it's funny Divine can make agreements "on behalf" of 5 alliances, without asking any of them about it first.
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Its good to see you are back WebAngel Why you go on AD to call one of the HC`s a liar in an alliance you where one of the founders of make me sad
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I think it's funny Divine can make agreements "on behalf" of 5 alliances, without asking any of them about it first.
I gave no name, It's really not the topic here.
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:07   #7
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All I see is you complaining about stuff in your post, and you're in no position to complain.
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:09   #8
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All I see is you complaining about stuff in your post, and you're in no position to complain.
Well I don't only complain, maybe you missread. Plus Why do you think that I am in no position to complain? Please tell me...
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:11   #9
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Well, I aint napped to Wp/Ely WebAngel, nice to see you back btw
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:14   #11
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Webangel stfu, if you hadn't quit this round so easily maybe you'd still have a say actually dont u think.

now you just look like a bitter, uninformed d00d
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:14   #12
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No offence, but the phrase 'rush to judgement' comes to mind here. You talked to 2 people with conflicting stories (which might not actually be conflicting as you said "some alliances in vom") and rather than try to investigate further you came on here calling one of them a liar? I encourage you to try and dig a bit deeper to get some more concrete information.
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:15   #13
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Well seems there r a few misunderstandings...
I'll pm u about this Webby...
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:16   #14
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Well, I aint napped to Wp/Ely WebAngel, nice to see you back btw
Hi CrazyConrad,
Well maybe not everybody in VOM is but obviously some are. I just want to make you all think about it. It is obvious also that it is a one way agreement because some VOM attacks on some WP galaxies had to recall while WP has attacked my gal yesterday for real
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:18   #15
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Webangel stfu, if you hadn't quit this round so easily maybe you'd still have a say actually dont u think.

now you just look like a bitter, uninformed d00d
Terminator2003, plesae work 100h a week and let me know how to play PA. As long as you cant do both you are not in position to discuss about my decision to stop playing for more than a month.
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hmpf how the hell is a poor vom attacker supposed to get a smaller target which isnt being waved like crazy nowadays.

think you need to get some perspective wa.

anyways since I normally rarelt read these forums or post on em (was pointed towards this particular thread),

I would like to congratulate Eclipse/ToT on winning this round.

owning politics you played the various alliances very well
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:32   #17
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Random would make PA fun, balanced, etc...
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:33   #18
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hmpf how the hell is a poor vom attacker supposed to get a smaller target which isnt being waved like crazy nowadays.

think you need to get some perspective wa.
Once upon a time in r8 some attackers attacking the biggest targets in the universe. Plush was born. Maybe we can plan some more challenging attacks, dont you think so?

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anyways since I normally rarelt read these forums or post on em (was pointed towards this particular thread),

I would like to congratulate Eclipse/ToT on winning this round.

owning politics you played the various alliances very well
I am with you here.
Congrats Eclipse and ToT. You won by treachery (and also because you have been organised and so on) but it is part of the human kind to do so I suppose.
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:35   #19
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Random would make PA fun, balanced, etc...
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When you are allied to 50% of the universe, being random doesn't change anything. But it does help that's for sure.
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:36   #20
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Hey Divine agree, Eclipse / ToT owns. Eclipse showed (still showing) really nice skills this round and wp still making mistakes ... get ace bc
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Unread 23 Apr 2003, 20:37   #21
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When you are allied to 50% of the universe, being random doesn't change anything. But it does help that's for sure.
hehe now that would be fun, my vote goes for galaxy protection
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# angels Christianity. The last of the nine orders of angels in medieval angelology. From the highest to the lowest in rank, the orders are: seraphim, cherubim, thrones, dominations or dominions, virtues, powers, principalities, archangels, and angels.

It seems that your whole order is higher ranked than my poor Angel status
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Hey Divine agree, Eclipse / ToT owns. Eclipse showed (still showing) really nice skills this round and wp still making mistakes ... get ace bc

Hey Lrytas!
Maybe one day, you and me will shout "pergale!!!" one more time
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I would like to congratulate Eclipse/ToT on winning this round.

owning politics you played the various alliances very well
I think its more a fact of some other alliances being incredibly stupid & naive than Eclipse/ToT 'owning' politics this round.
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Well I am still waiting the $10 that petru bet on my return. Since he gave me nothing, then I am back ;p (I am kidding)
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I think its more a fact of some other alliances being incredibly stupid & naive than Eclipse/ToT 'owning' politics this round.

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I think it's funny Divine can make agreements "on behalf" of 5 alliances, without asking any of them about it first.
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Hello WebAngel, nice to see you back.

Honesly, I don't think VOM players will support WP/Ely, even if some HC thinks so. Even if there are members of VOM who were willing to support WE they'll hopefully change their minds after reading your post
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I am with you here.
Congrats Eclipse and ToT. You won by treachery (and also because you have been organised and so on) but it is part of the human kind to do so I suppose.
Treachery? You prize your ignorance dont you webangel.
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I think its more a fact of some other alliances being incredibly stupid & naive than Eclipse/ToT 'owning' politics this round.
Owning AD and owning politics are two veeery different things...


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I am with you here.
Congrats Eclipse and ToT. You won by treachery (and also because you have been organised and so on) but it is part of the human kind to do so I suppose.
Is there something personal behind all this bitterness I haven't seen any form of treachery but maybe I missed it ?

I feel honoured that vom was considered so powerfull that a large number of alliances was needed to stop the threath.
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- They are those who knew they would be backstabbed because we told them and because we gave them some evidence of that and have taken the risk.
What backstabbing? If anything, the "Good Luck, Good War" msgs between WE & ET were fairly good natured.
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lol I better not get into detail on this remark

Please do, I'm interested to know actually.
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No it REALLY wouldn't. Another random round would finish Planetarion off totally. The majority of the universe didn't enjoy Round 8 except for Scouse and the lads. Private galaxies don't lead to stagnation, spineless HCs lead to stagnation and there's no cure for those.

If anything Eclipse was "owned" politically. Wolfpack were very skilful the way they turned Elysium against Eclipse behind the scenes, their HC deserve a pat on the back for that.
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No it REALLY wouldn't. Another random round would finnish Planetarion off totally. The majority of the universe didn't enjoy Round 8 except for Scouse and the lads. Private galaxies don't lead to stagnation, spinless HCs lead to stagnation and there's no cure for those.
Private galaxies, no allainces/naps and 60-80 members max each alliance, a dream

btw why dont they just remove all traveltime advantages, clusters parallels bah, it actually improves "the need" for blocking.
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Private galaxies, no allainces/naps and 60-80 members max each alliance, a dream
Would be quite cool
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Is there something personal behind all this bitterness I haven't seen any form of treachery but maybe I missed it ?

I feel honoured that vom was considered so powerfull that a large number of alliances was needed to stop the threath.
No dont get me right. Treachery is the result of a scheme. Most of the political moves lead to that. There is nothing really bad in it. They had a very good political game that's all I wanted to say
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No it REALLY wouldn't. Another random round would finish Planetarion off totally. The majority of the universe didn't enjoy Round 8 except for Scouse and the lads. Private galaxies don't lead to stagnation, spineless HCs lead to stagnation and there's no cure for those.

If anything Eclipse was "owned" politically. Wolfpack were very skilful the way they turned Elysium against Eclipse behind the scenes, their HC deserve a pat on the back for that.
Well, you are not the entire universe. I am not Scouse's lad and I enjoyed r8 much. I met some nice people in my random galaxy.
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Well, you are not the entire universe. I am not Scouse's lad and I enjoyed r8 much. I met some nice people in my random galaxy.
By Scouse's "lads" I meant Titans/ViruS/Section/LDK.

Random galaxies aren't the solution to Planetarion's woes.
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By Scouse's "lads" I meant Titans/ViruS/Section/LDK.

Random galaxies aren't the solution to Planetarion's woes.
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The solution is in the PA players' hands (HCs mainly)
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The solution is in the PA players' hands (HCs mainky)
Pa players want to win, their hc's want their alliances to win.

The fault is in the game, it has to adapt to that.
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Pa players want to win, their hc's want their alliances to win.

The fault is in the game, it has to adapt to that.
It's a game and I think that a lot just want to have fun. To win is a way to have fun. But it not the only way. At least it is the selfish way because only a few can win.
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Congrats Eclipse and ToT. You won by treachery (and also because you have been organised and so on) but it is part of the human kind to do so I suppose.
'Planetarion Information Minister'

Since when did being attacked repeatedly by so called allies and declaring war cound as treachery?
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No it REALLY wouldn't. Another random round would finish Planetarion off totally. The majority of the universe didn't enjoy Round 8 except for Scouse and the lads. Private galaxies don't lead to stagnation, spineless HCs lead to stagnation and there's no cure for those.

If anything Eclipse was "owned" politically. Wolfpack were very skilful the way they turned Elysium against Eclipse behind the scenes, their HC deserve a pat on the back for that.
I was NoS till mid round and enjoyed it the same way....
Same for some friends in WP and NoS till the end....

U have ur quote of responsability when it takes to HC's....

lol
Elysium and WP would never fight each other...u know it...
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By Scouse's "lads" I meant Titans/ViruS/Section/LDK.

Random galaxies aren't the solution to Planetarion's woes.
I agree that with the current amount of players and, hmm lets say 10 peeps/gal, random round would totally scare the rest of us away. I spent round8(actually 1/3 round and then quit) in a very inactive galaxy with only 2 peep that I spoke to daily basis. However with bigger galaxies it could perhaps bring some new light into the game. And yes I know increasing galsize while player pool is shrinking is a bad idea. In future perhaps..... If such thing exists for planetarion. Atleast hoping randomness to bring PA back to life is more realistic thnking than trusting alliance leaders not to create new blocks.
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