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Jester · 13 Jan 2003, 19:26

Blame Scouse and Lrytas*.

Jester

* Or whoever the **** brokered the deal.

Colt · 13 Jan 2003, 19:32

Sh|t happens

Hicks · 13 Jan 2003, 19:32

I blame Scouse.

hydridia · 13 Jan 2003, 19:36

Scouse the root of all evil in the PA world.
Oh well another fun round

Sirad · 13 Jan 2003, 19:37

lets just cut to the chase, blame planetarion for existing.

Jester · 13 Jan 2003, 19:42

Quote:

Originally posted by sirad
lets just cut to the chase, blame planetarion for existing.

Yes

Jester

Ahriman · 13 Jan 2003, 19:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Hicks
I blame Scouse.

Me too!

Scouse embodies everything that is wrong with PA, I suggest we get together a lynch mob and storm Liverpool. Leave nothing alive. We're bound to get him.

Ahri
[Lynch Mob coordinator and all-round nice guy]

Hardin · 13 Jan 2003, 20:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Jester667
Blame Scouse and Lrytas*.

Jester

* Or whoever the **** brokered the deal.

This is humour...right?

at0mic.c0w · 13 Jan 2003, 20:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin
This is humour...right?

This is Jester... right?

JonnyBGood · 13 Jan 2003, 20:28

Dear alliance HCs,

Remember the first rule of leadership. Everything is your fault.

Jonny

PS What odds on a superblock with the 'sole' intention of taking down VOM?

Maddix · 13 Jan 2003, 20:28

But Scouse is a lovable Northern Monkey :/

Zh|l · 13 Jan 2003, 20:42

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin
This is humour...right?

No, he is utterly serious

Ahriman · 13 Jan 2003, 20:50

Can all mob applicants please form an orderly line, and await a guided tour of Livepool so that we can take notes on what to smash this weekend.

Project Lynch Mob will commence at 3am on Sunday. Please remember to bring your uniforms.

(The AD mods will be providing rope and instructions on how to properly hang someone from a sturdy branch beforehand)

Cochese · 13 Jan 2003, 20:51

Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyBGood

PS What odds on a superblock with the 'sole' intention of taking down VOM?

Fairly good ones it would seem.

Teh_Necro · 13 Jan 2003, 21:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Cochese
Fairly good ones it would seem.

Once the dust has settled and you come on here and post about "How Stagnation is the Fault of this super block" i will saw through your scrotum with my blunt finger nails.

-Necro

Cochese · 13 Jan 2003, 21:35

Yes, because this is clearly all my fault

ParraCida · 13 Jan 2003, 22:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Jester667
Blame Scouse and Lrytas*.

Jester

* Or whoever the **** brokered the deal.

Heya, still handing out pitchforks and torches outside of PA HQ?

Eol · 13 Jan 2003, 23:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
Once the dust has settled and you come on here and post about "How Stagnation is the Fault of this super block" i will saw through your scrotum with my blunt finger nails.

-Necro

Clearly VOM is to blame for total overkill

lokken · 13 Jan 2003, 23:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Eol
Clearly VOM is to blame for total overkill

Every action provokes a response,

And this is the most forseeable one.

I think even VOM would have known this.

Teh_Necro · 14 Jan 2003, 00:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Cochese
Yes, because this is clearly all my fault

Your an executive of MadCows who in turn are part of VoM who in turn will be responsible for stagnation this round, if they win or not the round will still get stagnated.

I think it is time u come to terms with the responsiblity of your actions and actually listen to some of the arguements put against ur allinaces blocking instead of labelling them jellous and angry shouts, which many of you clearly have.

-Necro

Cochese · 14 Jan 2003, 00:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
Your an executive of MadCows who in turn are part of VoM who in turn will be responsible for stagnation this round, if they win or not the round will still get stagnated.

I think it is time u come to terms with the responsiblity of your actions and actually listen to some of the arguements put against ur allinaces blocking instead of labelling them jellous and angry shouts, which many of you clearly have.

-Necro

Or, you could re-read one of the countless posts where I commented on being out-voted on the issue, and the fact that I had opted for one single ally with my alliance in the first place.

Yes, I think would be the appropriate course of action.

Scouse · 14 Jan 2003, 01:27

I think this thread may mislead people about some things.

Salomo · 14 Jan 2003, 02:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Jester667
Blame Scouse and Lrytas*.

Jester

* Or whoever the **** brokered the deal.

Which deal? (cba getting on irc)

AlbinoSquirrel · 14 Jan 2003, 03:12

blame canada

BLAME CANADA I SAY

SpazMonster · 14 Jan 2003, 04:15

Quote:

Originally posted by AlbinoSquirrel
blame canada

BLAME CANADA I SAY

It's not even a real country anyway

Sirad · 14 Jan 2003, 04:17

yea, we're not
we send the yanks to fight wars and sit home in our igaloos
;p

lo deven
night deven

Jonas · 14 Jan 2003, 08:52

I dont hate them for blocking. They arent unbeatable...

stop whining and prepare for war you cowars. Its never more fun than yiou make it yourself. Even the smallest fleet can have big affection to this game...

-Jonas-

MelAn · 14 Jan 2003, 11:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Jester667
Blame Scouse and Lrytas*.

Jester

* Or whoever the **** brokered the deal.

Instead of discussing/ (whining) all the time about the unbeatable VOM block, some Hc's from the opposite side should try to get over some old hostilities & personal vantity, form a equal block and just fight & let us have a close & interesting, funny r 9...

*Planetarion 9 - Battlefield or kindergarten?*

Hardin · 14 Jan 2003, 11:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Zh|l
No, he is utterly serious

Well if he is utterly serious then this thread is just propagandist nonsense...

VOM is not a powerblock - a block yes - but not a powerblock!

There is more than enough good alliances out there to make sure stagnation does not occur - enough even for 3/4 other good blocks!

Eclipse
Elysium
Wolfpack
NoS
FaNG
Rah
Hirr
ToT
NewDawn
Vision
HD
4D
IPC
Entity

And I have probably missed a few too!

VOM is a new and untested block. Do people really think it needs the entire universe to gang up against them?

They have also put their head on the block with the 'brave' (or stupid - depending on point of view) decision to go for gals made up of only VOM members - there will be no sitting on the fence next round for VOM gals.

They will be targets from day one - not like the mixed gals of previous rounds which could NAP their way to victory. Hardly the ingredients for stagnation.

- Virus has a good name - but many still question its quality as it has always worked with renowned alliances in the past and in many eyes never really proved itself (I know this is debatable)

- Olympians is a new alliance. Yes it has some Titan members from last round and some famous 'names' but it also has a 100% new HC and vastly changed officer line up - Will it come up to Titan standards - we wont know till the round starts!

- MadCows - Again a good name but not the largest grouping and again their quality could be questioned by detractors.

This hardly an invincible triad that the universe needs to unite against!

A simple alliance of Wolfpack Elysium & Eclipse [WEE] would be a challenge on its own. Wolfpack/Elysium providing experience and numbers and Eclipse providing the hardcore Fury quality which hasn't gone away (although they would like us to think it has).

Even a grouping such as [FNRT] - the rump of FAnG (which still has some great players), NoS (experience and numbers), RaH (quality) & ToT (fanaticism) could go far and probably give VOM a good challenge on their own.

I personally believe that the 'Blame VOM for stagnation' threads are just a campaign by certain groups who will gain from the entire universe uniting against VOM.

Finally - those of you who are tempted to ally with Eclipse - remember - its just Fury by another name - rebranded could be another way of looking at it.

They may look nice and cuddly now as opposed to those murderous VOM bastards but everyone knows what happened to Fury's allies!

They got used and then they get rap0red. If you trust Eclipse it will happen to you too...

In a smaller universe with a greater level of player skill and activity (even among the junior alliances) I dont think any triad of alliances can expect to walk away with the prize without fighting hard for it.

It amuses me also that many of the detractors of VOM are the same people that put together the massive FLVTTR (+ Others block) in R7....

Rather than blame VOM for staganation (when the round hasn't even begun ffs) we should salute them for putting their marker in the ground and making it plain where they stand. I just wish some of the VOM critics would do the same!

Lets stop talking about VOM and see what the other allies have up their sleeves...

Al_zz · 14 Jan 2003, 12:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin
VOM is not a powerblock - a block yes - but not a powerblock!

There is more than enough good alliances out there to make sure stagnation does not occur - enough even for 3/4 other good blocks!

Great, You formed a block to make the whole universe form in blocks which many expressed beforehand was not what they wanted at all. So those other alliance should now do what you did and already have there hopes for an equal alliance based round ruined before the start. They now have to negociate some kind of alliance which they propably would rather not have in the first place with people they might have hoped to fight against this round in stead of being allied to.

I'm already sure that is going to make for some lousy blocks whatever the formation of them will be !

Quote:

Eclipse
Elysium
Wolfpack
NoS
FaNG
Rah
Hirr
ToT
NewDawn
Vision
HD
4D
IPC
Entity

And I have probably missed a few too!

Indeed you have

hAl

Aneu · 14 Jan 2003, 13:01

Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyBGood
PS What odds on a superblock with the 'sole' intention of taking down VOM?

Its more than deffinatly actually...

Aneu

ComradeRob · 14 Jan 2003, 13:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin
Finally - those of you who are tempted to ally with Eclipse - remember - its just Fury by another name - rebranded could be another way of looking at it.

They may look nice and cuddly now as opposed to those murderous VOM bastards but everyone knows what happened to Fury's allies!

They got used and then they get rap0red. If you trust Eclipse it will happen to you too...

If you're going to attempt propaganda, at least try to do it with some wit or subtlety. "Don't trust them, they're evil bastards!" just doesn't cut it

.

For what it's worth, my previous biggest alliance role before Eclipse HC was as Deus HC in r6, during which time we faithfully maintained all of our alliances/NAPs, and when relations were broken with the Xeta block it was with mutual understanding that this had to happen - as an aside, it was Xeta who made the first move with their declaration of war on Deus. I would like to think that my personal record in alliance politics is an honourable one, and this simply makes your claims look rather less appropriate.

You're talking down the chances of the VOM block, basically appealing for pity from other alliances, pleading for their assistance now that you believe that victory is not as assured as it was. By claiming that VOM is not a powerblock, you're just looking silly - it obviously is a powerblock in the sense that, provided no other blocks are formed, they would be the single strongest force in PA, stronger than any other existing alliance or group. Obviously, it's very much in VOM's interest to appear weaker than that, in order to prevent other blocks from forming.

Whis · 14 Jan 2003, 13:49

Quote:

Originally posted by ComradeRob
as an aside, it was Xeta who made the first move with their declaration of war on Deus.

Right..

As for the VOM block, what goes around..

Kileman · 14 Jan 2003, 13:57

Eclipse is a lot closer to Deus than Fury in its operation and aims.
________
W136

Hardin · 14 Jan 2003, 14:25

Quote:

Originally posted by ComradeRob
If you're going to attempt propaganda, at least try to do it with some wit or subtlety. "Don't trust them, they're evil bastards!" just doesn't cut it .

First I believe you are an honourable person. But are u the only HC? If eclipse stick to their agreements this round then I will be amazed - but if you do then I will be the first to congratulate you.

With regard talking down VOM I am simply stating facts as I see them...many MORE people are on here are spending their time talking VOM up - I was simply rsponding to that.

The impression I had reading this thread was that VOM was an all conquering unstoppable baby eating machine...I was simply putting this in somekind of perspective!

Surely you agree with that unless you are in fact in favour of one giant block to kill VOM?

In addition wit or subtlety 'suggests' that you may be attempting deception - pulling the wool over people's eyes with clever words Alaistair Campbell style - maybe my form of discussion is more direct - Like a sledgehammer ;-)

Hardin · 14 Jan 2003, 14:26

Quote:

Originally posted by Kileman
Eclipse is a lot closer to Deus than Fury in its operation and aims.

I would be very pleased if this turns out to be true :-)

Hardin · 14 Jan 2003, 14:39

Quote:

Originally posted by Al_zz
Great, You formed a block to make the whole universe form in blocks which many expressed beforehand was not what they wanted at all. So those other alliance should now do what you did and already have there hopes for an equal alliance based round ruined before the start. They now have to negociate some kind of alliance which they propably would rather not have in the first place with people they might have hoped to fight against this round in stead of being allied to.

I'm already sure that is going to make for some lousy blocks whatever the formation of them will be !

Indeed you have

hAl

Mate - I think ur fundamental flaw is that you have assumed blocks = staganation.

There has always been 'blocks' in this game. There was blocks last round also - and afaik very little stagnation!

It was only when blocks develop into 'super' blocks which were completely napped to each other and quickly killed opposition that we had crappy stagnation.

VOM's gal setup means that this will not happen (on their part anyway). There will be no fence sitting and VOM itself does not have the power to dominate the universe on its own. That means war- between VOM and whoever challenges VOM.

I know I am being accused of talking VOM down on purpose for propoganda reasons but do you realistically think that VOM on its own can crush a semi-professional universe of experienced and active players as we have now?

Unlikely in my view...Those who are talking up VOM as the big threat do so because they have ambitions to create their own blocks! However in the process they may be creating their own 'super' block - and that would lead to stagnation!

Jester · 14 Jan 2003, 14:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin

I didn't read all that, but you get an A for effort.

Quote:

Originally posted by MelAn
Instead of discussing/ (whining) all the time about the unbeatable VOM block, some Hc's from the opposite side should try to get over some old hostilities & personal vantity, form a equal block and just fight & let us have a close & interesting, funny r 9...

*Planetarion 9 - Battlefield or kindergarten?*

I seriously hope that wasn't directed at me, I have no problem with the vom block (specifically) whatsoever.

Quote:

Originally posted by ParraCida
Heya, still handing out pitchforks and torches outside of PA HQ?

Still? When was I doing that in the first place?

And Sal: Titans/LDK alliance last round.

Jester

Desse · 14 Jan 2003, 14:59

Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyBGood
Dear alliance HCs,

Remember the first rule of leadership. Everything is your fault.

Jonny

PS What odds on a superblock with the 'sole' intention of taking down VOM?

Nah.

All these alliance leaders with their denouncement of the VOM block will off course not do that.

They have their integrity after all. :-)

Jester · 14 Jan 2003, 15:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Desse
Nah.

All these alliance leaders with their denouncement of the VOM block will off course not do that.

They have their integrity after all. :-)

Yeah, I'm sure none of them were levying for alliances with either Virus, Olympians or Madcows before that block got started.

Jester

Scouse · 14 Jan 2003, 15:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Kileman
Eclipse is a lot closer to Deus than Fury in its operation and aims.

Oh yay! Eclipse are going to be the saviours of the round.

I hear there are rumour's that Kileman is gathering a bunch of horses together, Zhil is searching for some suits of armour and Focht is currently shining them up as best as possible.

Quote:

Originally posted by Jester667
And Sal: Titans/LDK alliance last round.

May I just point out that the FAnG/Adelante/ToT block and WP/Ely blocks came before ours last round? Or are we being blamed since we eventually won?

Al_zz · 14 Jan 2003, 15:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Kileman
Eclipse is a lot closer to Deus than Fury in its operation and aims.

Sure...

Hicks · 14 Jan 2003, 16:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Al_zz
Sure...

It wouldn't surprise me if they were closer to Deus in terms of operation, at times Fury was a slow cumbersome nightmare of an alliance. Deus by comparison was sleek and efficient if the Eclipse Executives with Fury backgrounds had any sense then they'd try and adopt many of Deus' methods rather ran build an alliance in the old Fury mold. With two former Deus HCs on Eclipse's Executive Id say that is a reasonable assumption.

As for it's aims being similar to Deus, I guess it depends on how you view Deus' aims in Round 6, I personally think that they created the anti stagnation bandwagon to win public support for something which was never anything other than a Fury/Legion witch hunt and an attempt to win the round. Eclipse probably has similar aims to this, i.e. dominate the round. If you on the other hand you view Deus as an alliance desperately trying to end stagnation and power blocks while having fun as many do, then Eclipse's aims are nothing like this and they shouldn't pretend otherwise.

Looking at the members of Eclipse and what I'm told of the "feel" of the alliance I'd say it's far more Furyish than it is Deusish.

Maddix · 14 Jan 2003, 17:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin
VOM is not a powerblock - a block yes - but not a powerblock!

Dear god....there is a difference between a block and a powerblock now?

Is a powerblock a block thats eaten all its Weetabix or something?

Hardin · 14 Jan 2003, 17:22

Quote:

Originally posted by Maddix
Dear god....there is a difference between a block and a powerblock now?

Is a powerblock a block thats eaten all its Weetabix or something?

hehe - u gonna follow me around spamming now?

Block - VOM

Power Block - FLVTTR + Others

Uber Block - Scouse/Parra & The anti-VOM league!

geddit!

:-)

Maddix · 14 Jan 2003, 17:25

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin
hehe - u gonna follow me around spamming now?

You just happened to be the only post on this thread that was a) worth a reply that hadn't already been said and b) mildly amusing

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin
Block - VOM

Super Block - FLVTTR + Others

Uber Block - Scouse/Parra & The anti-VOM league!

geddit!

:-)

Ah so without Legion you aren't a 'Super' or 'Power' Block? Okay got it now...thanks

isildurx · 14 Jan 2003, 17:27

block: a smallgroup of alliances working together for a joint goal.

powerblock: numerous alliances 5-8 workingtogether to CRUSH all in their way, and with thier numbers, also have a good chance to achieve this.

VOM is a block..

decide on your own what the other two are.

Isil

RooKie · 14 Jan 2003, 18:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Jester667
Blame Scouse and Lrytas*.

Jester

* Or whoever the **** brokered the deal.

...or play SS

ComradeRob · 14 Jan 2003, 20:39

Quote:

Originally posted by isildurx
block: a smallgroup of alliances working together for a joint goal.

powerblock: numerous alliances 5-8 workingtogether to CRUSH all in their way, and with thier numbers, also have a good chance to achieve this.

VOM is a block..

decide on your own what the other two are.

Isil

I fail to see the distinction - winning, by necessity, involves defeating your enemies (or 'crushing' them, to use your slightly more emotive vocabulary). VOM is trying to win, other alliances are trying to win, and once either succeed then a degree of stagnation is inevitable. There's not much difference between one set of people winning and the other.

Barrow|Pony · 14 Jan 2003, 20:46

This thread epitomizes the reasons I play Planetarion.