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G.K Zhukov · 3 Nov 2002, 08:02

Tonight, I know that the titans server was attacked from somewhere around 4:50 to 6:02. Others may also been attacked in this way, but I wouldnt know about it.
The point is, STOP DDOSING YOU MORONS. PA IS A GAME. THIS APPLIES FOR EVERYBODY.

Tnx you.

Nofutcha · 3 Nov 2002, 08:36

dossing normally comes from on peon, trying to show off, or a couple of them. Trying their little script kiddie programmes they downloaded from scriptkiddies.com

General Martok · 3 Nov 2002, 09:06

After 2 months of attacks on our host we're kinda annoyed too

hinch · 3 Nov 2002, 13:52

they are rather gay

strangely enough the fanet ones always came at the same time as a certain alliance launched on us

however to solve it we made a redundant multiserver network so now if one server goes we simply jump onto anohter and nothing is lost

Barrow|Pony · 3 Nov 2002, 13:54

BUT ITS SOOO MUCH FUN.

(ahem ahem)

hook · 3 Nov 2002, 13:55

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Originally posted by Barrow|Pony
BUT ITS SOOO MUCH FUN.

(ahem ahem)

And it makes you feel so strong and fuzzy inside!

Backbone · 3 Nov 2002, 16:40

Quote:

Originally posted by hook

And it makes you feel so strong and fuzzy inside!

and I can show off with it!

ParraCida · 3 Nov 2002, 17:04

We get DDosed every few days.

Just cause we don't scream murder on the boards every time we get DDos'd doesn't mean its not affecting us as well.
But I guess it all depends on you attitude in the end.
Yunnoh... either you take it as it comes and accept it or you cry like a pantsy on the boards blaming the DDOS for everything thats making you loose.

3 Nov 2002, 17:10

The issue is this.. you can either protest to it at every turn and complain to all on AD who in actuality dont give a damn about your alliance servers OR

You can take DDos'ing as a constant act that occurs towards internet servers and attempt to combat the situation for the good of the alliance.

I have personally designed a system that attempts to examine incoming traffic and learn the characteristics of attacks, much the same as virus checkers identify unknown viruses, and then add firewall rules to block the offenders.

There are also other things you can do such as retal the offenders in the same manner as they do to you.... ontain a few servers on a 100mbps backbone for intance and you are laughing.

To Sum up.....I really dont give a damn about other alliances servers, I have taken a proactive approach and actually attempt to stop the attacks effecting us.. rather than crying about it (admittadly some times with more sucess than others).

Any alliance wants to use the above adaptive firewall scripts please contact me.... my rates are fairly reasonable.

hinch · 3 Nov 2002, 17:29

Quote:

Originally posted by ado

I have personally designed a system that attempts to examine incoming traffic and learn the characteristics of attacks, much the same as virus checkers identify unknown viruses, and then add firewall rules to block the offenders.

so then snort, guardian and iptables

all freelydownloadable and easy to setup/configure from www.freshmeat.net as i cant remember the exact url`s

3 Nov 2002, 18:01

Quote:

Originally posted by hinchles

so then snort, guardian and iptables

all freelydownloadable and easy to setup/configure from www.freshmeat.net as i cant remember the exact url`s

No actually... custom designed stuff

part of something I did for my university thesis.

if you have all these tools... you should really consider using them hinch.

Leshy · 3 Nov 2002, 18:01

This is more suited to Alliance Discussions.

3 Nov 2002, 18:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Leshy
This is more suited to Alliance Discussions.

LESHY \o/

cypher · 3 Nov 2002, 18:30

leshy is a drunk:P

3 Nov 2002, 18:44

I think its pretty sad that you actually have private servers, come on be honest they aint really needed, well at least not now a days, when their used to be corupt oppers etc they were needed but not now :/

*Cooper* · 3 Nov 2002, 19:25

DoS attacks ruin the game

u guys suck if u do them attacks

Ahriman · 3 Nov 2002, 19:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Nofutcha
dossing normally comes from on peon, trying to show off, or a couple of them. Trying their little script kiddie programmes they downloaded from scriptkiddies.com

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hinch · 3 Nov 2002, 19:32

Quote:

Originally posted by ado

No actually... custom designed stuff part of something I did for my university thesis.

if you have all these tools... you should really consider using them hinch.

not much point since my connection wouldnt hold up long enough for the info to get to the servers

Seth Mace · 3 Nov 2002, 19:46

I think mosy major alliances face this kinder thing, u just gotta try and stay one step ahead it seems:/

lokken · 4 Nov 2002, 09:44

DDOS'ing of IRC servers

protect and prepare

4 Nov 2002, 11:22

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Originally posted by ComradeRob on another thread
It's impossible to prove which alliance is the 'dirtiest' in regards to DOS attacks or such things. As such, this thread can only turn into a 'you suck!' 'no, you suck!' flame-fest, which is why it is now closed...

bleh

Al_zz · 4 Nov 2002, 11:42

Quote:

Originally posted by lokken
DDOS'ing of IRC servers

protect and prepare

Or just let them and don't bother and just play on from some PA IRC server channel. There is not yet been a winner in PA who has not cheated as far as I can tell so clearly playing the game is more important then worrying about your oponents trying to cheat you out of the game in some way.

It seems a ridiculous effort to protect yourself from all kind of hacking and DoSsing of servers just to play a game. Only when you want to win real bad you might go to such lenght but I look upon winners in this game as cheaters by default nowadays and so do a lot of players as well.

hAl

lokken · 4 Nov 2002, 12:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Al_zz

It seems a ridiculous effort to protect yourself from all kind of hacking and DoSsing of servers just to play a game. Only when you want to win real bad you might go to such lenght but I look upon winners in this game as cheaters by default nowadays and so do a lot of players as well.

I'm sure that Fury had a spare server last round (they may have one this round) and if it means being prepared for every situation in combat and an alliance wants to win - so be it

The problem is that DOS'ing of a server can ruin an alliance's battleplans for a night - when the key to a war is keeping up the pressure on the enemy, I know that I'd rather be ready for attacks by such idiots rather than let them win.

The best way to beat these guys is to shrug it off, put your backup plan into action, and get on with it, as any capable player would when receiving incoming.

Al_zz · 4 Nov 2002, 13:20

Quote:

Originally posted by lokken

I'm sure that Fury had a spare server last round (they may have one this round) and if it means being prepared for every situation in combat and an alliance wants to win - so be it

The problem is that DOS'ing of a server can ruin an alliance's battleplans for a night - when the key to a war is keeping up the pressure on the enemy, I know that I'd rather be ready for attacks by such idiots rather than let them win.

I'd rather let idiots win than take ridiculous measures trying to prevent it. It is a game and if someone wants to win it so bad he needs to resort to criminal acts to do it then I cannot be bothered by it.

I sometimes try to get to the regular cheaters like multies but if I lose a few hundred places because of some criminal hacking or DoSsing I'l be pissed for a short while but certainly not bothered by losing rank as I have not been interested in what rank I finish anyways. In fact I have not kept any rank or score or even coords from my earlier planets. I generally know what players are truly better (very few) or more dedicated (quite a few) than me when I see them play and measure my performance on that rather than on a ranking.

The people that use these illegal methodes to gain an advantage seems to make it not worth the effort to play with full dedication though but there are many more reasons for that a well.

hAl

4 Nov 2002, 13:23

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Originally posted by hinchles

not much point since my connection wouldnt hold up long enough for the info to get to the servers

You run a irc server on your DSL line ?
tell me your f*cking with me, and more so on a plusnet dsl connection !!!

hinch · 4 Nov 2002, 13:39

naah i run the db and bot from my dsl the irc servers are all on 100mb conns all 7 of them

dezaster · 4 Nov 2002, 16:11

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Originally posted by Ahriman
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):

cypher · 4 Nov 2002, 16:13

Quote:

Originally posted by hinchles
naah i run the db and bot from my dsl the irc servers are all on 100mb conns all 7 of them

i might be dumb or something

(quite sure about that...) but if you got 7 irc servers on 100 mbit lines...what's the problem then?:/

furssie · 4 Nov 2002, 16:26

Quote:

Originally posted by lokken

I know that I'd rather be ready for attacks by such idiots rather than let them win.

I would rather let them win, if a 'game' goes that far.

Al_zz · 4 Nov 2002, 16:29

Quote:

Originally posted by furssie
I would rather let them win, if a 'game' goes that far.

Indeed.

4 Nov 2002, 16:39

Quote:

Originally posted by hinchles
naah i run the db and bot from my dsl the irc servers are all on 100mb conns all 7 of them

So let me get this right... someone has the resources... to sucessfully DDOS 7 x 100mbps irc servers (i am assuming different isp's here). If this is the case... then you do attract undue attention dont you and the ISP's must be extremly sh*te since they will have > 100mbps connections to their peering point(s) and if someone is ddosing more than 100mbps connections then wow... we all got problems.

Secondy if they arnt doing to them all... then why are you guys complaining, surely with "7" servers you have some resiliance there and you should be able to take down 6 of them without your network being our of action.

Mirrow the services on each and you have a totally resiliant solution.

As other people have said... rather that being caught out... be prepared for such situations and save us all the hastle. After all anyone who is "ddosing" is nothing more than a scriptkiddie really.

4 Nov 2002, 16:42

Quote:

Originally posted by furssie

I would rather let them win, if a 'game' goes that far.

Nah i disagree, and subscribe to the fury mentality here... a) be prepared and b) "do on to others as you would have them do on to you" in other words... strike back.

Yes I realise thats a controversial opinion, but if people attempt to attack my resources they should be prepared for any consequances of those actions and yes that includes electronic retaliation.

best way to deal with a bully is to smack him straight back 2x as hard......

Al_zz · 4 Nov 2002, 16:59

Quote:

Originally posted by ado
Yes I realise thats a controversial opinion, but if people attempt to attack my resources they should be prepared for any consequances of those actions and yes that includes electronic retaliation.

best way to deal with a bully is to smack him straight back 2x as hard......

You are promoting illegal acts here. The fact that someone else illegaly attacks you does not give you the right to strike back at them. Also in doing so you might hurt or do damage to a lot of people that are not involved in the original actions. (ISP's, people sharing connections/servers like gaming communities etc.).

You mentality strikes me as very strange cause your position will probably only get you more people on your back wanting to show off that you can't really retal at them at all or if you can it will be an utter waste of time an effort cause it is just a scriptkiddie hardly worth the effort anyways.

hAl

4 Nov 2002, 17:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Al_zz
You are promoting illegal acts here. The fact that someone else illegaly attacks you does not give you the right to strike back at them. Also in doing so you might hurt or do damage to a lot of people that are not involved in the original actions. (ISP's, people sharing connections/servers like gaming communities etc.).

You mentality strikes me as very strange cause your position will probably only get you more people on your back wanting to show off that you can't really retal at them at all or if you can it will be an utter waste of time an effort cause it is just a scriptkiddie hardly worth the effort anyways.

hAl

No my mentality is fine.... everyone else is speaking from a very idealistic point of view... YES in a ideal world this wouldnt happen.. everyone would play fair.. nobody would cheat. BUT the facts are that people do NOT play fair and do cheat and yes DO engage in illegal acts.

This being said, I WILL NOT stand by and let my network be attacked without any combat measures, nor will I allow my friends (members) to suffer because of that.

I am not promoting illegal activities I agree with most people here that it shouldnt happen and believe me is pisses me off to hell that it does, there are nights when I get no sleep because I am on the phone to 3 or 4 hosting companies where my servers are kept assisting in firewall configuration to stop the attacks happening.

But with a DDOS there are 3 things you can do

1) do nothing play fair and hope they will forget about it
2) configure the firewall to block the attacks, which is fine but not always effective due to upstream connection saturation
3) get a decent server to flood the attackers (even better if you can identify the primary culprit (usually the one controlling the attack trojans)).

It may not be ideal as i have said and may get all the people on these boards pissed but I am being honest and explianing how problems like this are solved in the "real world".

hinch · 4 Nov 2002, 17:07

Quote:

Originally posted by ado

-SNIP-

we dont have a problem now

we used to when we only had 2/3 servers but since the new network was completed theres never been anyproblems.

appart from a plusnet techie breaking plusnets main dsl router which knocked our bot offline.

but the servers them selfs have been rock solid since baout 2 weeks into the round

4 Nov 2002, 17:14

Quote:

Originally posted by hinchles

we dont have a problem now

we used to when we only had 2/3 servers but since the new network was completed theres never been anyproblems.

appart from a plusnet techie breaking plusnets main dsl router which knocked our bot offline.

but the servers them selfs have been rock solid since baout 2 weeks into the round

Good

much prefer a level playing field

as for plusnet... I cant comment :P I used to work there.. so I know the guy your talking about probably we are friends hehe :P

TGO · 4 Nov 2002, 17:21

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Originally posted by Ahriman

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hinch · 4 Nov 2002, 17:23

Quote:

Originally posted by ado

Good much prefer a level playing field
as for plusnet... I cant comment :P I used to work there.. so I know the guy your talking about probably we are friends hehe :P

heh i know you did.

btw what are titans planing on foing after this round of pa just dissapearing or moving into other games?

4 Nov 2002, 18:06

Quote:

Originally posted by hinchles

heh i know you did.

btw what are titans planing on foing after this round of pa just dissapearing or moving into other games?

Have a few ideas.. we will be keeping the network up for the forseable future and running threads on our boards asking the members what they want to do... it definatly seems logical to keep the community going if we can find a decent game we all like hehe

menth0l · 4 Nov 2002, 18:16

/me flexes his irc muscle

Torz · 4 Nov 2002, 18:18

Quote:

Originally posted by ado

Have a few ideas.. we will be keeping the network up for the forseable future and running threads on our boards asking the members what they want to do... it definatly seems logical to keep the community going if we can find a decent game we all like hehe

cm4! I say no more.

hinch · 4 Nov 2002, 18:26

Quote:

Originally posted by ado

Have a few ideas.. we will be keeping the network up for the forseable future and running threads on our boards asking the members what they want to do... it definatly seems logical to keep the community going if we can find a decent game we all like hehe

well if you get together a cs squad or a halo squad im sure fa will be glad to give you a romping

hAl · 4 Nov 2002, 20:21

Quote:

Originally posted by ado
3) get a decent server to flood the attackers (even better if you can identify the primary culprit (usually the one controlling the attack trojans)).

This is plain and simple illegal. Use it and you risk being prosecuted for computer crimes. Maybe not a big risk but still does not make it less illegal.

hAl

Hicks · 4 Nov 2002, 20:33

Quote:

Originally posted by hAl

This is plain and simple illegal. Use it and you risk being prosecuted for computer crimes. Maybe not a big risk but still does not make it less illegal.

hAl

Sounds a good idea to be honest.

6 Nov 2002, 00:58

ddos is soooooooo round seven