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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:00   #1
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Which alliance...

...keeps on protecting that big cheater in c60.
(and I dont mean cheater because he is big or is located in c60)

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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:04   #2
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not us.
we killed him basically
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:08   #3
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:17   #4
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Last I saw was ToT defending him. If you think he's a cheater report him.
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:25   #5
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Did that 3 or 4 weeks ago

He attacked my gal with 4 podless xan planets on 24 roids.
all of which are deleted a long time ago already. He was also closed and then came on IRC with a 'friend' who claimed he was the quilty party that created and launched al those 4 multi planets without his buddy knowing just to help him out in attacking us.

Bllleeeeeeghhhhhhhh.....
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:52   #6
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Well that's not proof beyond reasonable doubt. Perhaps he has also a good explanation why he didn't know about his friends help while at the same time his friend got to know about his attack. And ofc then it would be interesting to know whether this happened before.

I bet he has a great explanation, because I've seen a PA team member defend him.
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:57   #7
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 13:59   #8
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i keep defing him :/
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 14:13   #9
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Well that's not proof beyond reasonable doubt. Perhaps he has also a good explanation why he didn't know about his friends help while at the same time his friend got to know about his attack. And ofc then it would be interesting to know whether this happened before.

I bet he has a great explanation, because I've seen a PA team member defend him.
Off course why as a zik he managed to cover three targets on his first raid of the round sending his few ships alone to 3 planets that would have mostly destroyed his fleets and then just have 12 podsless 0 ships fleets to acompany him on ETA 6.

I do not find reasanoble doubt that he wasn't involved in the cheating. Off course he knew !!! If you really think that having some friend coincidentally launching 12 multifleets on your targets is reasonable then you must never become a multihunter.

I do not know what proof people want. If you multi and you get caught you just produce someone to take the blame and get away with it all the time. This is now standard practise.

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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 14:21   #10
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I'm on another attack mission on him now. He seems to have a decent amount of defense.
However I keep getting mails from another planet telling me that he will get def over and over again.
Kind of strange that the owner of the planet itself can't mail.
Or doesn't he master the english language and is only able to write an other foreign language?
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heh
it sure wasn't me defending :-)
i can't say i wouldn't like to go and grab some of those roids \o/
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:20   #13
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I'm on another attack mission on him now. He seems to have a decent amount of defense.
However I keep getting mails from another planet telling me that he will get def over and over again.
Kind of strange that the owner of the planet itself can't mail.
Or doesn't he master the english language and is only able to write an other foreign language?
why should he mail the attacker ? he would sent 24 hours mails and still get incomings. and our bigger bg member get newsscanned every tick, maybe he is even off and get incomings + defence... i will keep him defending too and i know him really good and haven't seen him cheating, he attacked everytime with his alliance or our bg and i newsscanned his targets too, like for other bg member. He even asked sometimes if its ok to lose 2 mil score for 350 roids, i have seen other planets in top 20 that have used escorts over and over again and those planets doesn't have any pods and are mostly xan fi and cath fi. Those planets are still open and i reported them several times on defence calls i handled...
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:24   #14
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Last I saw was ToT defending him.
I did see some planets that could have been ToT defending there but other alliances might have germans playing too.

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I bet he has a great explanation, because I've seen a PA team member defend him.
Was he the ToT member defending there you were referring too ?

After a month of play I should expect a few people to know who this player (top 15 earlier) is.

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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:32   #15
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oh piss off

you know nothing about him.
Cheating??
Scorpio thats rather droll that your speaking about that, since your alliance is cheating all the time this round, mister alliance hopper...

i personally newsscan his planet for 3 ticks every night, when he is asleep and i am awake, i do the same for other bg members and they do the same for me.
i also newsied all his attacks at the start of the round, since i kept my ratio up while he and the others focused on building ships, he never used escorts, except on one or 2 rare attacks where i backed him up, so he could take a larger target.

you know whats that called?? TEAMPLAY, not cheating.

every single member of our bg got a real planet, and none uses escorts.

Let me guess, this is the new tactic "If we can't outplay em, lets flame them".

ANd before some smartass comes here about ldk being l33t enough to kill him, 14 in-para attack fleets consisting of only fighters, as a fleetcatch is somehow hard to stop.

Now if you got definit proof he is cheating pm me on irc, or in a board pm. I will gladly eat my words and stop all defence for him if you got PROOF. If you dont have that, then shut the fck up and go away
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:34   #16
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Did that 3 or 4 weeks ago

He attacked my gal with 4 podless xan planets on 24 roids.
all of which are deleted a long time ago already. He was also closed and then came on IRC with a 'friend' who claimed he was the quilty party that created and launched al those 4 multi planets without his buddy knowing just to help him out in attacking us.

Bllleeeeeeghhhhhhhh.....
wtf are you talking about he has never been closed... i know only from cypher in p10 who got closed and reopened but the guy in c60 now has never been closed...
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:36   #17
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i will keep him defending too and i know him really good and haven't seen him cheating,
You are either very naive or you did not believe what I said. However I still have galstatus of him and the planets closed on it. If you want to confirm you can PM me on IRC this evening and I will show you the gal status info I have of him flanked on all his targets by planets that were all deleted on in first week of r9.5 sending all 0 ships.

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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:37   #18
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oh piss off

you know nothing about him.
Cheating??
Scorpio thats rather droll that your speaking about that, since your alliance is cheating all the time this round, mister alliance hopper...

i personally newsscan his planet for 3 ticks every night, when he is asleep and i am awake, i do the same for other bg members and they do the same for me.
i also newsied all his attacks at the start of the round, since i kept my ratio up while he and the others focused on building ships, he never used escorts, except on one or 2 rare attacks where i backed him up, so he could take a larger target.

you know whats that called?? TEAMPLAY, not cheating.

every single member of our bg got a real planet, and none uses escorts.

Let me guess, this is the new tactic "If we can't outplay em, lets flame them".

ANd before some smartass comes here about ldk being l33t enough to kill him, 14 in-para attack fleets consisting of only fighters, as a fleetcatch is somehow hard to stop.

Now if you got definit proof he is cheating pm me on irc, or in a board pm. I will gladly eat my words and stop all defence for him if you got PROOF. If you dont have that, then shut the fck up and go away
there, there...
What bg are you referring to?
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:38   #19
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wtf are you talking about he has never been closed... i know only from cypher in p10 who got closed and reopened but the guy in c60 now has never been closed...
MrBrick closed him for about two hours before he was on line with his 'friend' that claimed full responsibility for sending the multi planets and he was reoppened again. You can easily ask him if you do not believe me.

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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:39   #20
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This was the gay attacking with all those other "garden" planets? Or was this antoher "garden" ?
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 15:43   #21
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MrBrick closed him for about two hours before he was on line with his 'friend' that claimed full responsibility for sending the multi planets and he was reoppened again. You can easily ask him if you do not believe me.

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pmed the player , he does have not the slightest idea what the **** you are talking about....
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pmed the player , he does have not the slightest idea what the **** you are talking about....
oh then it must be true!
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If you mean the guy in P8, I am protecting him, along with a couple of other alliances.

If you have proof you know exactly where to find me, and I will twat him myself.

But until that moment he recieves full T8R protection.

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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 16:39   #24
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Scorpio thats rather droll that your speaking about that, since your alliance is cheating all the time this round, mister alliance hopper...
huh? I only said we weren't defending him and that we were attacking him. Don't see myself judging Martin in my original post.

And your comment about alliance hopping... Well, that's your opinion. It was a precaution. I had 5 warnings or something in Eclipse (I believe I should have been kicked after 2 already). So I already expected to be kicked... what better way than to join with my old friends?
On the other side, kinda cool people already call me alliance hopper after 1 switch /me feels honoured.


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Let me guess, this is the new tactic "If we can't outplay em, lets flame them".
You picked that one up rather quickly, hehe
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If you mean the guy in P8, I am protecting him, along with a couple of other alliances.

If you have proof you know exactly where to find me, and I will twat him myself.

But until that moment he recieves full T8R protection.

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hehehe vintage Forest grandstanding. It's good to see some things never change.

Keep up the good work.
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i dont know any details about your leaving eclipse for ldk,
but when a player in a top5 gal leaves his ally to an alliance that is hostile to his old ally, that does look rather suspicious from the outside..
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If you mean the guy in P8, I am protecting him, along with a couple of other alliances.

If you have proof you know exactly where to find me, and I will twat him myself.

But until that moment he recieves full T8R protection.

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forest your a noob u can protect your self let alone him ffs
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i dont know any details about your leaving eclipse for ldk,
but when a player in a top5 gal leaves his ally to an alliance that is hostile to his old ally, that does look rather suspicious from the outside..
bwah, my galaxy already had LDK protection, so that didn't change much.
You could also say I did this to avoid fence-sitting (or atleast lower the fence-sit ratio hehe).
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forest your a noob u can protect your self let alone him ffs

Gimme your co-ords then and we will see how protection works.

I declared war on LDK, which is the 4th alliance this round.
I am not doing too badly.

Oh cept landing at 280k def, and losing 5 mill in one tick wasnt too clever
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Gimme your co-ords then and we will see how protection works.

I declared war on LDK, which is the 4th alliance this round.
I am not doing too badly.

Oh cept landing at 280k def, and losing 5 mill in one tick wasnt too clever
the guy in ParraCidas gal lost 8 mio for 27 roids u got more?
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the guy in ParraCidas gal lost 8 mio for 27 roids u got more?
I landed on parracidas gal and got 0 roids for 5 mill


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Attacking Eclipse while one is Eclipse does tend to reduce any feelings of "comaradarie" that might otherwise form.:eek:
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Attacking Eclipse while one is Eclipse does tend to reduce any feelings of "comaradarie" that might otherwise form.:eek:
Says the one who only came rushing into p-channels when she was under attack
Then again, I've pulled from every Eclipse planet I launched at. Only continued at socalled "protected" planets. (You're gonna like this one Kj heh)
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Unread 1 Jul 2003, 18:04   #35
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pmed the player , he does have not the slightest idea what the **** you are talking about....
PM'ed you some evidence that I send to multihunter. So he does not remember anything anymore. I wonder how he will suddenly remember this litte incident later when you ask him later. He might have some other excuse then

But surely you cannot be that naive a second time then.

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PM'ed you some evidence that I send to multihunter. So he does not remember anything anymore. I wonder how he will suddenly remember this litte incident later when you ask him later. He might have some other excuse then

But surely you cannot be that naive a second time then.

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Seen your evidence (Dari showed me what you pasted him).

Couldn't you have faked it better?

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Seen your evidence (Dari showed me what you pasted him).

Couldn't you have faked it better?
You now calling on my integrity ?
Cause I have more integrity in my little toe that this guy running "The Green garden" and his multi planets.

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You now calling on my integrity ?
Cause I have more integrity in my little toe that this guy running "The Green garden" and his multi planets.

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You just proved you have not.
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Ok, to elaborate a bit. You have pasted Dari a part of your Galaxy Status. On this status 3 planets were under attack by Martin. With him on each planet you could see 3-4 other attackers with the same eta as him. The other fleets all contained 0 ships. Looks quite clearly like escort fleets. So I looked up the coords of the escort planets. They all had different Planet Names than shown on your Galaxy Status. Seeing that you told us earlier that they all got closed your story is right. After some time they clearly got deleted and later replaced by new planets. But as I trust Martin I had a closer look at the Pilkara Score and Roid Graph of these planets. The Graphs of the coords of former closed planets are quite characteristical. For quite some time these planets still get resources and thus score. You can see a very constant increase of their score in the Graph (different from open planets where the owner spends his resources more or less periodically, you can see that very good in the pilkara graphs). This increase lasts until the planet gets deleted. He'll be replaced after more or less time by a new planet or a planet that exiled to these coords. You can see this by a sudden, simultanious jump of the Roid and Score Graph down to 3 roids and 0 Score or the Score/Roidcount of the exiled planet.

Now I checked all 4 coords you presented as the coords of Martin's closed escort planets. None of them even remotly looked
like they ever contained closed planets, means the planets you can see at these coords have been there since the start of the
round, with the same Planet Name and not the ones shown on your Fake Galaxy Status. Also I informed me whether Martin hasever been closed for some time this round. I can tell you he has not been closed this round at any time. I come to the conclusion that you must have made up all your so-called evidence.

I don't know why you have done this, probably you are just a very sad person with nothing else to do.

NOW WOULD YOU PLZ STOP ACCUSING OTHER PEOPLE ON THESE BOARDS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO PRESENT SOME SORT OF REAL PROOF YOU RETARD! Or at least learn how to fake evidence properly.
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Ok, to elaborate a bit. You have pasted Dari a part of your Galaxy Status. On this status 3 planets were under attack by Martin. With him on each planet you could see 3-4 other attackers with the same eta as him. The other fleets all contained 0 ships. Looks quite clearly like escort fleets. So I looked up the coords of the escort planets. They all had different Planet Names than shown on your Galaxy Status. Seeing that you told us earlier that they all got closed your story is right. After some time they clearly got deleted and later replaced by new planets. But as I trust Martin I had a closer look at the Pilkara Score and Roid Graph of these planets. The Graphs of the coords of former closed planets are quite characteristical. For quite some time these planets still get resources and thus score. You can see a very constant increase of their score in the Graph (different from open planets where the owner spends his resources more or less periodically, you can see that very good in the pilkara graphs). This increase lasts until the planet gets deleted. He'll be replaced after more or less time by a new planet or a planet that exiled to these coords. You can see this by a sudden, simultanious jump of the Roid and Score Graph down to 3 roids and 0 Score or the Score/Roidcount of the exiled planet.

Now I checked all 4 coords you presented as the coords of Martin's closed escort planets. None of them even remotly looked
like they ever contained closed planets, means the planets you can see at these coords have been there since the start of the
round, with the same Planet Name and not the ones shown on your Fake Galaxy Status. Also I informed me whether Martin hasever been closed for some time this round. I can tell you he has not been closed this round at any time. I come to the conclusion that you must have made up all your so-called evidence.

I don't know why you have done this, probably you are just a very sad person with nothing else to do.

NOW WOULD YOU PLZ STOP ACCUSING OTHER PEOPLE ON THESE BOARDS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO PRESENT SOME SORT OF REAL PROOF YOU RETARD! Or at least learn how to fake evidence properly.
Not really cause when martin's 'friend' showed up on IRC shorty after martin was closed and admitted the offences the planets were deleted instantly. This to prevent them from landing on my gal !!! Martin then got reopened and without escorts then recalled on all his targets

You could have just asked me that but you are a bit too thickheaded I guess to ask someone hwat has happened. You really think I fake some info on someone who I do not even know his name ???

But I'm happy you agree with me that the planets martin attacked with "clearly looked like escorts" but I guess even you could see that.
Did you ask martin if the galstatuuses were true ?
I'd love to see him deny it with me having a gal full of witnesses and MrBrick having closed them to confirm that as well.

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Not really cause when martin's 'friend' showed up on IRC shorty after martin was closed and admitted the offences the planets were deleted instantly. This to prevent them from landing on my gal !!! Martin then got reopened and without escorts then recalled on all his targets
As I said, he didn't get closed at ANY time (got it confirmed by PA Team). You are talking pure bull****. Oh, and even if they got deleted immideatly you'd see that on Pilkara...
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And btw..why delete them immideatly? PA Crew could just as well have recalled all their fleets (if your whole made up story was true)
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wasn't Martin deleted r7 or r8 because of accountsharing?
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And btw..why delete them immideatly? PA Crew could just as well have recalled all their fleets (if your whole made up story was true)
Clearly you do not know me very well. Not do you know martin very well if you believe he was not attacking along those deleted multi planets.

Btw, if this guy was really ToT I wondered why he attacked a gal with ToT member in it the first day out of protection.
At Rock at least gals with members need HC permission to get attacked by other members. I can't imagine ToT HC according attacks on their members gals first thing out of protection. But then again, mayby he didn't ask/check.

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Says the one who only came rushing into p-channels when she was under attack
Then again, I've pulled from every Eclipse planet I launched at. Only continued at socalled "protected" planets. (You're gonna like this one Kj heh)
ohh I do, eclipse has that tendancy to repay those who help them with their special offer "we'll protect your roids, our HC will farm YOUR fleet and protect them". It's a very nice deal tbh, and it shows howmuch they really care about non eclipse pple who defend their members more then the avg eclipse member does. Only difference is, the eclipsemember has a membership and thus they will not hit him while friends, who often do much more, don't have that and thus are valid targets.

Sadly PA has evolved to this long ago and Eclipse HARDLY is the only alliance who does this

(btw lo Focht, your german imposter is back )

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u can protect your self let alone him ffs
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you suck another bodypart for money, so i find that comment of yours rather hypocritical.
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you suck another bodypart for money, so i find that comment of yours rather hypocritical.
This is really too easy, how about I pass on this one, and we all pretend that I wasted 2 minutes pointing out how ridiculously inept your post was.
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