Planetarion Forums - Now that Rabba is reopened ..

ComradeRob · 6 Apr 2003, 23:32

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Originally posted by Recon
i can't confirm this or not cause i'm not on IRC, but afaik Rabba is defending MrPink is this true?

if so, Eclipse "heh" oh and possibly a "RoffleTomato" aswell

Hellfish's attackers aren't Eclipse members.

"Heh"

TehVader · 6 Apr 2003, 23:32

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Originally posted by Recon
i can't confirm this or not cause i'm not on IRC, but afaik Rabba is defending MrPink is this true?

if so, Eclipse "heh" oh and possibly a "RoffleTomato" aswell

That would be correct.

And Rob, that was the answer I was looking for

Terminator2003 · 6 Apr 2003, 23:32

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Originally posted by Hicks
No, I spend all day sat on Internet forums bitching about attacks and back stabbing in an online game to people who don't give a dam.

actually, you spend all day bitching about people who are bitching about attacks and back stabbing in an online game.

pld

Hicks · 6 Apr 2003, 23:34

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Originally posted by Recon
ps im interested to hear who the 2 people are, if they are Eclipse well, you guys are really doing a stunning show tonight i will find it somewhat amusing and comical they have the gall to call me slow

I think I see what you've done there Recon, you've altered what I've wrote and typed a humorous message there, "cunning".

Do you really think any of this matters ? Do you think my posts make people hate Eclipse ? It may influence a few little peons who read AD and don't realise this is all one big show with most people here getting off on provoking a reaction out of one another, but those people don't count, AD doesn't count anymore. There's a small circle of people who do count and can have an impact on the game and guess what ? None of them are going to make decisions based on AD posts.

The fact you think any of this matters shows just how naive you are of the "big picture".

Recon · 6 Apr 2003, 23:36

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
Hellfish's attackers aren't Eclipse members.

"Heh"

i will give you this one, only cause im tired and i want my bed though!!

I'd now like to encourage all Eclipse members especially Hicks to keep posting in this thread for my return in the morning

ps most fun i've had in pa and on these forums in a long time

pps i still think i am winning - i did say i'm not on IRC and couldn't confirm everything so my last post was a minor win for you Eclipse lads

BOB_LOST · 6 Apr 2003, 23:36

1.hicks like nekkid sheep
2. Welsh people are not humans but :e_chick:

Hicks · 6 Apr 2003, 23:36

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
Hellfish's attackers aren't Eclipse members.

"Heh"

FS Rob why did you go and spoil it, this could have run for another two pages until Recon's head exploded

Bob your such a :e_bunny:

masterjw · 6 Apr 2003, 23:48

id like to add another m00 coz u guyz look like madcows :/

Salomo · 7 Apr 2003, 02:34

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Originally posted by ComradeRob

The farming thing was a joke. The NaR members in 48:4 asked to have their arbiter protection removed, it was removed, and they were attacked.

Unless Rabba asks for his arbiter protection to be removed, I doubt that anyone in WEET will be attacking him

Which, if he farmed/cheated, is a pitty

Even if he cheated rabba admittedly is no killmark, but i hoped you guys had finaly mustered up the courage to act in defiance of alliance politics if people that should be attacked for unpolitical reasons (e.g. cheating) hide behind them. Guess I was wrong, Would have been too nice to be true anyway :-/

Instead you go the old, boring, conventional way again and let your hands be tied by politics. no one can prolly blame you for that as most HCs would do the same, but still a pitty

ComradeRob · 7 Apr 2003, 02:43

We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Rabba's case was unusual, certainly not a clear-cut cheating case. While he did break the rules, he did so in ignorance of those rules, and so I guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt (as the creators have done also). Whether that's the right thing to do, we will never know.

SpazMonster · 7 Apr 2003, 03:04

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Rabba's case was unusual, certainly not a clear-cut cheating case. While he did break the rules, he did so in ignorance of those rules, and so I guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt (as the creators have done also). Whether that's the right thing to do, we will never know.

are you saying that people in r7 could have plead ignorance and been reopened? As far as I know that pronouncement was just made in a creators hour and displayed in overview. I suppose they could have claimed 'but i thought that was just for ship farming' etc and have been on their merry way?

Salomo · 7 Apr 2003, 03:06

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Thats allways the case if you have one or more sides trying to put all of your actions in the worrst light possible because you're the enemy. You have those same voices against you no matter what you do. They render themselves irrelevant that way, just ignore them and listen to those that base their replies to you on actual content not on what block you're on (I assume you're ignoring the opinions of fred etc. anyway, hence i didn't feel the need to include them as seperate category to be safely ignored).

but i'm not really saying anything here people don't know allready i guess :-/

ComradeRob · 7 Apr 2003, 03:08

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Originally posted by SpazMonster
are you saying that people in r7 could have plead ignorance and been reopened? As far as I know that pronouncement was just made in a creators hour and displayed in overview. I suppose they could have claimed 'but i thought that was just for ship farming' etc and have been on their merry way?

I don't know - I seem to remember the signup page including the PA rules in r7. In r9, the basic rules about account-swapping, multi-ing and farming were not part of the signup agreement, nor were they posted anywhere obvious.

For multi-ing etc., the fact that this has been illegal since the start of PA means that anyone pleading ignorance would fail. But since ship-farming is only newly illegal, the defence of ignorance does carry a bit more weight.

The creators decided to give him the benefit of the doubt, since it was also their own mistake in not posting the details of new rules where all could see them clearly.

SpazMonster · 7 Apr 2003, 03:11

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
I don't know - I seem to remember the signup page including the PA rules in r7. In r9, the basic rules about account-swapping, multi-ing and farming were not part of the signup agreement, nor were they posted anywhere obvious.

For multi-ing etc., the fact that this has been illegal since the start of PA means that anyone pleading ignorance would fail. But since ship-farming is only newly illegal, the defence of ignorance does carry a bit more weight.

The creators decided to give him the benefit of the doubt, since it was also their own mistake in not posting the details of new rules where all could see them clearly.

The terms and conditions were in a scrollable box, same as r7. In r7 farming was never mentioned in the user agreement.

K03N · 7 Apr 2003, 07:10

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Originally posted by ComradeRob

The creators decided to give him the benefit of the doubt, since it was also their own mistake in not posting the details of new rules where all could see them clearly.

oh right. poor rabba couldn't possibly know that it's not allowed to shipfarm.

Obfuscator · 7 Apr 2003, 07:14

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Originally posted by K03N
oh right. poor rabba couldn't possibly know that it's not allowed to shipfarm.

The argument has never been that he couldn't possibly have known, but that he could possibly have not known. But you would have known that if you actually READ the arguments, instead of just trolled.

K03N · 7 Apr 2003, 07:23

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Originally posted by Obfuscator
The argument has never been that he couldn't possibly have known, but that he could possibly have not known. But you would have known that if you actually READ the arguments, instead of just trolled.

i cba to read all the bs on this forums anymore.
farmers should be closed. always. end of discussion.

Obfuscator · 7 Apr 2003, 07:26

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Originally posted by K03N
i cba to read all the bs on this forums anymore.
farmers should be closed. always. end of discussion.

Personally, I've always thought that in a rational discussion, the participants should read and understand the arguments of the other posters. While I certainly can't stop you from declining to do this, I feel well within my rights to call you a moron for failing to.

Knight Theamion · 7 Apr 2003, 08:23

can't we just roid him ?

Eternity · 7 Apr 2003, 08:36

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Originally posted by Knight Theamion
can't we just roid him ?

I'm with you theamion :d

tell me when u wanna launch

laputa · 7 Apr 2003, 09:03

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Originally posted by Eternity
I'm with you theamion :d

tell me when u wanna launch

launch only a few ships, if you are lucky, he is getting closed for farming again

Le Mauvais Moine · 7 Apr 2003, 09:33

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Rabba's case was unusual, certainly not a clear-cut cheating case. While he did break the rules, he did so in ignorance of those rules, and so I guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt (as the creators have done also). Whether that's the right thing to do, we will never know.

Wow admiration: You have convinced yourself that "he did not know" that is not been clear cut cheating ! You're a master of autosuggestion (or maybe you're just pathetic).

Galaxian · 7 Apr 2003, 11:54

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Rabba's case was unusual, certainly not a clear-cut cheating case. While he did break the rules, he did so in ignorance of those rules, and so I guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt (as the creators have done also). Whether that's the right thing to do, we will never know.

When you commit a crime, ignorance is not a valid defence. If I rob a bank and get caught and then claim I didn't know it was against the law, should they let me off by taking some of the robbed money back? If Rabba didn't bother to acquaint himself with the rules of the game, thats his problem. He broke the rules, he should be closed and deleted.

Razorback · 7 Apr 2003, 11:57

Robs point was not supporting Rabba, infact Rob was arguing against those who claimed that now it was Robs business to "clear" the "mistakes" the creators did.
Rabba indeed broke rules, but apparently this was not enough to get him deleted, and as we all can read in the new rules, there are different level of punishment for cheating now. Rabba got the admittedly weak one, removing all stolen ships and getting a timepenalty without income.

Scouse · 7 Apr 2003, 12:07

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Exactly Rob. So do what you want to do and what you think is best. Fk everyone else, they'll bitch no matter what.

-CP- · 7 Apr 2003, 12:40

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Originally posted by Galaxian
When you commit a crime, ignorance is not a valid defence. If I rob a bank and get caught and then claim I didn't know it was against the law, should they let me off by taking some of the robbed money back? If Rabba didn't bother to acquaint himself with the rules of the game, thats his problem. He broke the rules, he should be closed and deleted.

The fact that people are comparing bank robbery to ship farming in an online game is rather amusing..

Galaxian · 7 Apr 2003, 13:55

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Originally posted by -CP-
The fact that people are comparing bank robbery to ship farming in an online game is rather amusing..

If you fail to understand the difference between a direct comparison and an analogy, thats your problem.

-CP- · 7 Apr 2003, 14:50

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Originally posted by Galaxian
If you fail to understand the difference between a direct comparison and an analogy, thats your problem.

And if you fail to see the difference between a joke and a serious argument then I think it's you who has a problem

Galaxian · 7 Apr 2003, 15:16

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Originally posted by -CP-
And if you fail to see the difference between a joke and a serious argument then I think it's you who has a problem

The words "pedalling" and "back" spring to mind.

Morden · 7 Apr 2003, 15:19

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Originally posted by Terminator2003
Why don't the WP HC come together with VoM and NaR HC, sign some NAPs, and start raping Eclipse all together?

well had the thought not occured to you that if Nar and Vom were any good at all they might have been able to take out weet already?

i mean fs weet wasnt that strong when the nap ended with NaR, they were too slow to do anything about it, and as for vom well there hasnt been a huge amount of fight in them at all this round, too many cheifs and not enough indians which is why they never get anything done.

and tbh I somehow doubt Pack would leave Weet without Elysium going with them, seeing as they have been close for quite a while now over 2 rounds right?

in short there is more of a chance in elvis coming back than nar/vom+pack actually putting up a good fight even if they did, that is unless they have actually decided that there military is sadly lacking and streamlined it a lot.

Remberasha · 7 Apr 2003, 17:34

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Originally posted by Terminator2003
Why don't the WP HC come together with VoM and NaR HC, sign some NAPs, and start raping Eclipse all together?

<=====>

VOM doesn't need naps with anybody else to rape Eclipse --

*snicker*

Confraria · 7 Apr 2003, 17:47

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Originally posted by Jonas
I wish all galaxies had the guts to take one side in the Nar WEET war...

-Jonas-

prolly cause they didnt showed the guts to make closed gals like vom did.... this was ment to happen since the begining and they knew it. have fun weet

Ahriman · 7 Apr 2003, 18:21

I can't bring myself to believe that Rabba was not knowingly breaking the rules, but the creators have spoken. Not that they affect anything anyway.

I also find it amusing that people still expect alliances to justify what they're doing, but I suppose AD might be considerably more boring if this misconception was not rife.

Remberasha · 7 Apr 2003, 18:50

Of course Rabba knew it was cheating -- Personally I don't see what he got out of doing ship farming anyway as the cost of the farming ships itself can be detrimental...

He could have just as easily earned those ships by defending gal M8's with the right combo's vs the incoming races,....

In Rabba's case - PAcrew have spoken - they set a punishment - and Rabba is still in the game - so this issue should be over! period!~

I do find it somewhat disturbing that some however who have flamed and bashed Killmark - have no compunctions about saying Rabba is different and should be protected, etc... as if this makes it right and just!~

Killmark (and his galaxy) - is being attacked in mass, with no evidence they have cheated at all this round, and yet have had their coordinates posted (often) on the message boards (also a breach of rules - right?) and of course their game is pretty much over now!~

Rabba - has been punished for his (proven) cheating - and sent back in the game., and now has protection by his alliance and annonymity of his coordinates to prevent revenge bashing,..

For those that defend Rabba's honor, and disclaim Killmark as a disgrace -- I feel you now dishonor yourselves... But then again such is the nature of the beast -- Lynch away !~ I'll not be party to the bash!~

Remby
(No one expects the Inquisition!~)

-CP- · 7 Apr 2003, 19:07

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Originally posted by Galaxian
The words "pedalling" and "back" spring to mind.

The words "waste" "of" "time" comes to mind..