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Unread 26 Feb 2003, 11:49   #1
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Who is the best?

I havent played PA in a while and just wondered who is the best alliance now days? It used to be Fury and Legion, but who now? When I sign up again I want to be in the best alliance you see. Thx.
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Re: Who is the best?

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I havent played PA in a while and just wondered who is the best alliance now days? It used to be Fury and Legion, but who now? When I sign up again I want to be in the best alliance you see. Thx.
READ the boards, its what they are there for. Form your own opinion, speak to people on IRC, but for God's sake, don't create another propaganda platfrom.

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READ the boards, its what they are there for. Form your own opinion, speak to people on IRC, but for God's sake, don't create another propaganda platfrom.

Close this thread.
It annoys me too when people can't be arsed to just skim a few threads. There was a really good one about a week ago. *goes to find it*
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The 'winners' of last round disbanded. No alliance can claim to be the best in PA atm.
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The 'winners' of last round disbanded. No alliance can claim to be the best in PA atm.
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The 'winners' of last round disbanded. No alliance can claim to be the best in PA atm.
As did those of the previous round etc etc. Let's not have another one of those threads. It's getting dull.
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The 'winners' of last round disbanded. No alliance can claim to be the best in PA atm.
I never thought I'd live to see Scouse use quotes in this context.
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The 'winners' of last round disbanded. No alliance can claim to be the best in PA atm.
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If I was an alliance HC, I would not let anybody join who had made a thread like this on AD. Part of the joining criteria for me would be the ability to find out for yourself who we were, and judge for yourself which one is best FOR YOU. The alliances at this stage when compared can be judged to be nothing other than different. None can really be said to be better than others (of the major alliances) with any basis. And alliance that is good for me, may not be good for you, so asking here achieves nothing, unless you just want to join the winning alliance for all the glory, which gives the impression of an alliance hopper, and someone in for the wrong reasons, and someone who won't stand firm through the tough times. That is another reason why, if I were an HC, I would refuse people who made threads like this.
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All very well but I HAVENT played FOR A WHILE and since the game IS NOT RUNNING right now, I cannot see what ALLIANCE BANNERS people are displaying to show who they belong to. It was a SIMPLE QUESTION asking for a few names to be put forward and people OPINIONS on who is the best alliance at the moment.

It was a REALLY EASY QUESTION!!

Call it FINDING OUT FOR MYSELF if you like.
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It was a REALLY EASY QUESTION!!

Which you could have answered REALLY EASY by reading a few threads.
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All very well but I HAVENT played FOR A WHILE and since the game IS NOT RUNNING right now, I cannot see what ALLIANCE BANNERS people are displaying to show who they belong to. It was a SIMPLE QUESTION asking for a few names to be put forward and people OPINIONS on who is the best alliance at the moment.

It was a REALLY EASY QUESTION!!

Call it FINDING OUT FOR MYSELF if you like.
Well, you could just READ OTHER THREADS

Also though, if you are doing it from a perspective of wishing to join, if you haven't been around for a while, and don't have alliance contacts (which I assume you don't hence why you are asking here), then you may as well go to the alliance recruiting forum. As far as I know, none of the major alliances will let you in without some vouches, and you won't get those through board posting, onlty through playing with people.
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I'll level with you. I am dyslexic and find a lot of reading really heavy going. I can get by most of the time but still have to spend a lot of time checking words against a dictionary even for this small paragraph (sp?)

To read huge chunks of text is time consuming or I have to aski others to read for me which I cant always do.

I seem to remember when I played peopel were more freindly and helpful.
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Call it FINDING OUT FOR MYSELF if you like.
Go and find out for yourself then.
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I'll level with you. I am dyslexic and find a lot of reading really heavy going. I can get by most of the time but still have to spend a lot of time checking words against a dictionary even for this small paragraph (sp?)

To read huge chunks of text is time consuming or I have to aski others to read for me which I cant always do.
You're not a WP member by any chance?
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I'll level with you. I am dyslexic and find a lot of reading really heavy going. I can get by most of the time but still have to spend a lot of time checking words against a dictionary even for this small paragraph (sp?)

To read huge chunks of text is time consuming or I have to aski others to read for me which I cant always do.

I seem to remember when I played peopel were more freindly and helpful.
I sympathise, but it may have worked better in your favour if you'd started with that. Coming on appearing lazy and abusing your caps-lock key isn't the best way to get favours.

btw why not read Alliance Recruitment? It would seem like a good place to look for an alliance.
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As did those of the previous round etc etc. Let's not have another one of those threads. It's getting dull.
Fury didn't disband after rd 7. I meant no malice by my comment. It's 100% true.
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The 'winners' of last round disbanded. No alliance can claim to be the best in PA atm.
This doesn't logically follow. If the winners of the last round disbanded, that doesn't mean that no one can claim to be the best, it just means that the best claim to that status would pass on down to the runners-up from last round. If THEY disbanded, it would pass on down to the 3rd place alliance, and so on. You might argue that just who took 2nd or 3rd, or 727th place is even less clear than who won, but that would be an entirely different argument.
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Fury didn't disband after rd 7. I meant no malice by my comment. It's 100% true.
I didn't say there was, but some people are so bored with PA that they'll happily fill a few hours and a thread Fury flaming.
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In a probably futile attempt to answer the original question in this thread, in my opinion Olympians is the single 'best' alliance out there at the moment. However their political situation leaves something to be desired. I think Eclipse is the 'best' if you take the accompanying blocks etc into account.
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READ the boards, its what they are there for.
You don't learn a sh*t reading the forums nowadays. It's only propaganda spread in here by people who don't have much more to do, just like me now, I have nothing to do so I took a look in AD if there was any new "news". I gotta stop

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There is no best or most elite, just where you are happy.
Actually, I think you're completely wrong there. PA is a war game where people put in so much effort to win. It's not a keep everyone happy game where we should care about the effect we have on others.

That, however, is a complete different discussion, so I won't post anymore about it here.

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This doesn't logically follow. If the winners of the last round disbanded, that doesn't mean that no one can claim to be the best, it just means that the best claim to that status would pass on down to the runners-up from last round. If THEY disbanded, it would pass on down to the 3rd place alliance, and so on. You might argue that just who took 2nd or 3rd, or 727th place is even less clear than who won, but that would be an entirely different argument.
But the new alliances may be better than the remaining alliances from last round. I think we have this possibility atm in PA, and so we can't say ViruS is the best alliance in the game atm, because the chances are that Olympians and Eclipse may be better.

If we were talking about the most proven then I'd agree with you, and so ViruS would be the best alliance, since Oly and Eclipse haven't proved themselves yet.


For sheer player skill and member dedication I'd say Olympians are the best alliance atm, without a doubt. That's not including politics or command, or anything else. Including everything you could maybe say Eclipse.
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Scouse that is YOUR view and YOUR OPINION, however I do not play like taht and i have no intention of playing to be "1337"

I get my kicks from playing with ppl I enjoy being with and working as a team.

I can be 1st, 10th or 100th for that and it will still make no difference.

1337 will always be based on YOUR perception of elite - if you wanna play to win, cheat and be an arse thats your perrogative. I will alwyas play to play with friends and to do as well as we can - if it was just about playing to win i would have quit a long long time ago.
It's possible to do all of that and still win.
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Scouse that is YOUR view and YOUR OPINION, however I do not play like taht and i have no intention of playing to be "1337"
The thread starter asked which is the best alliance, and quoted Fury/Legion as examples of 'the best'. Without the thread starter stating whether he was seeking the best community (which has been debatably on offer from plenty of alliances over the round, so I find it hard to believe that this is what he was requesting) or the best alliance from a winning-the-round perspective.

I think that the chance is greater that he was asking from the winning-the-round perspective, making Scouse' replies entirely accurate, and yours nothing more than a sidenote.
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Since I'm such a nice guy, I'll offer some suggestions on the 'best' alliance for the thread starter.

In alphabetical order:
  • Eclipse
  • Elysium
  • FAnG
  • NoS
  • Olympians
  • RaH
  • ViruS
Note that Eclipse (derived from a number of alliances including Deus, Fury, Xanadu and others) and Olympians (derived from Titans and LDK) are as yet untried alliances. Also noting for comedic value that I would sooner see Rumad dance than join 2 of the above mentioned alliances.

[Edit: Madcows may or may not be one of the best]


And in reply to Rumad, I didn't mention 'elite', my only comment was that Scouse' post was more relevant to the thread starter's question than yours. Sidenotes are part of discussion, but not specifically relevant to the original question, hence my description of your post(s).
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Top gals are made to win so never the twain will meet.

NOTE: When i say top gal I mean top 5 in a non random universe.
That's entirely the feeling I got from the people in Camelot in round 4. Really. They weren't some of the friendliest poeple I've had the pleasure of meeting on PAnet. Nope. Not at all.

And here are some other

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I think I've disproved your notion that a gal in the top5 position need be an elitist bunch of bastards. I'd also say that I've seen plenty of galaxies go into the round thinking they were headed for top5 land and fallen to pieces because they weren't built up of friends, but rather gimps who thought they'd found recipes for 'perfect' gals.

To answer the thread poster:

The current elite alliances are Eclipse and Olympians. Both alliances have players who have previously proven they have what it takes to perform well in adverse conditions.

Madcows are an outsider alliance who I think have a lot of potential. I've seen their players in action and they have the relaxed, yet professional attitude it takes to succeed.

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i am not sure whether this comment is naivety or just complete rubbish.
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I think I've disproved your notion that a gal in the top5 position need be an elitist bunch of bastards. I'd also say that I've seen plenty of galaxies go into the round thinking they were headed for top5 land and fallen to pieces because they weren't built up of friends, but rather gimps who thought they'd found recipes for 'perfect' gals.

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This doesn't logically follow. If the winners of the last round disbanded, that doesn't mean that no one can claim to be the best, it just means that the best claim to that status would pass on down to the runners-up from last round. If THEY disbanded, it would pass on down to the 3rd place alliance, and so on. You might argue that just who took 2nd or 3rd, or 727th place is even less clear than who won, but that would be an entirely different argument.
Thats rather silly and certainly isnt logical.

But it has nothing to do with the "winnners" from last round. Even if they were still around there is no reason to assume that winners are always the best alliance. Nos and WP certainly werent the best allainces going into rd 7.

Its quite impossible to tell who the best allainces will be. Eclipse and Oly are huge players, yet they could both crumble. They are untested on many levels.

I dont blame the creator of this thread, the information he is seeking is NOT in other threads. Because no one knows the answer.
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As far as good galaxies, M&S was built off a core that worked together for many rounds and new people brought in were done so based on fitting into the team as much as anything.
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Thats rather silly and certainly isnt logical.

But it has nothing to do with the "winnners" from last round. Even if they were still around there is no reason to assume that winners are always the best alliance. Nos and WP certainly werent the best allainces going into rd 7.

Its quite impossible to tell who the best allainces will be. Eclipse and Oly are huge players, yet they could both crumble. They are untested on many levels.
As Scouse and I already clarified personally, all I was attempting to show was that these alliances would certainly have the best CLAIM to being the best going in to the next round, barring catastrophic between-round failures. You certainly can disagree with me on specifics, but I think the general rule would hold.
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As Scouse and I already clarified personally, all I was attempting to show was that these alliances would certainly have the best CLAIM to being the best going in to the next round, barring catastrophic between-round failures. You certainly can disagree with me on specifics, but I think the general rule would hold.
going into r8 though, yoiu'd have to say the alliance most likely to suceed would be Adelante. They had a big, famous and strong memberbase, hc and officers with bags of experience and good political relations. And look what happened to them...

i'm not disregarding your comment, but i don't honestly think any alliance that has never functioned in an active war, as that alliance, with those commanders, officers and members could make any valid claim of being the best...
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As Scouse and I already clarified personally, all I was attempting to show was that these alliances would certainly have the best CLAIM to being the best going in to the next round, barring catastrophic between-round failures. You certainly can disagree with me on specifics, but I think the general rule would hold.
And I as I stated, they certainly wouldnt have the best claim. The top allainces in a round are generallly the allainces in the winning block. Very rarely do the same people win two rounds in a row. Rank has little to do with who the best allaicnes are, especially after you get past the top one or two.

Look at the Fury/Legion/Xanadu Era. In those rounds at least one of those allainces was always poorly ranked at the end of the round, yet those were always the top 3 allainces going into any round.
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going into r8 though, yoiu'd have to say the alliance most likely to suceed would be Adelante. They had a big, famous and strong memberbase, hc and officers with bags of experience and good political relations. And look what happened to them...

i'm not disregarding your comment, but i don't honestly think any alliance that has never functioned in an active war, as that alliance, with those commanders, officers and members could make any valid claim of being the best...
Could be me, but I certainly didn't think Adelante were the best alliance going into r8.

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And I as I stated, they certainly wouldnt have the best claim. The top allainces in a round are generallly the allainces in the winning block. Very rarely do the same people win two rounds in a row. Rank has little to do with who the best allaicnes are, especially after you get past the top one or two.
Look at the Fury/Legion/Xanadu Era. In those rounds at least one of those allainces was always poorly ranked at the end of the round, yet those were always the top 3 allainces going into any round.
Why do you suppose, Germania, that someone different wins each round? Could be perhaps, that the other alliances decide to band together to make sure that they DON'T win 2 rounds in a row? Why do you suppose they would do this if they didn't view the incumbent winner as the better? Afterall, if they honestly thought they or someone else was better than the incumbent, they wouldn't form blocks to fight them, would they?

I know this is a vastly oversimplified view, but the bottom line is that the best CLAIM to being the best before a round even starts is generally going to default to the team that won the last round. If you don't get this, I don't think I can possibly explain it to you.
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Could be me, but I certainly didn't think Adelante were the best alliance going into r8.
Adelante had an incredible amount of ppl inside top100 the first weeks when things (from my completely inactive point of view) worked as it should.

The potential were huge, but like in the rl world - a soccerteam containing only the very best players would most likely fail if no other considerations were made - every part in the machine must function perfectly and be well oiled. Theory and practice doesnt allways match and as we all know; the feature can never be fully forseened.

(ps. ive only read a few lines of what youve written earlier, i might be totally of topic)
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In a probably futile attempt to answer the original question in this thread, in my opinion Olympians is the single 'best' alliance out there at the moment. However their political situation leaves something to be desired. I think Eclipse is the 'best' if you take the accompanying blocks etc into account.
You are contradicting yourself here - an alliance has to be judged all-round, you cannot say "Alliance X is the best - but if you include factor Y then alliance Z is the best". Alliance quality is down to overall things, including political situations that THEY got themselves.
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Could be me, but I certainly didn't think Adelante were the best alliance going into r8.

Why do you suppose, Germania, that someone different wins each round? Could be perhaps, that the other alliances decide to band together to make sure that they DON'T win 2 rounds in a row? Why do you suppose they would do this if they didn't view the incumbent winner as the better? Afterall, if they honestly thought they or someone else was better than the incumbent, they wouldn't form blocks to fight them, would they?

I know this is a vastly oversimplified view, but the bottom line is that the best CLAIM to being the best before a round even starts is generally going to default to the team that won the last round. If you don't get this, I don't think I can possibly explain it to you.
Good gracious. People tend to gang up on the allaince that won the round because winning a round requires getting alot of roids. You get those roids by taking them from others. THose others dont like losing roids, and want revenge on those that took them from them.

It has nothing to do with who is the best alliance.

I get what you are saying, you are just not making a good point. Now please explain to me the examples ive given that clearly disprove what youve said.

1. WP/NOS rd 6, they won the round and Nobody saw them as the best allaince, or even one fo the best allainces going into rd 7.

2. Fury, Legion, Xan were always considered the top 3 allaicnes in rounds where at least one of them was always not among the top allainces.

Clearly it made no difference who won, allaince strength is judged by many factors, previous round rank being just one. Why you insist that one factor that is not extremely corralated to relative allaince strength is by far the most important factor is beyond me.
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