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Unread 15 Jan 2003, 15:05   #51
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the standard time for the world is GMT

i see no reason why that shouldn't stick for the universe too!
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that doesn't really matter.... cos i THINK that there are more ppl in europe not sure though.... so flame at will
fairly certain there are i estimated (mentally) the population of all of North (and Central) American to be in the 400mil region... the population of the 3 biggest European countries alone is over 150mil (Germany, Italy and the UK) and there are many other countries including Russia... if you want to count Russia as European
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besides, after 3 years, i'm used to calculating times from CEST or CET to whatever British time it is (GMT/BST); it's (of course) simply -1 hour... i don't know about other people who've played as long as i have, but i'd probably end up launching an hour early or somethin...
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besides, after 3 years, i'm used to calculating times from CEST or CET to whatever British time it is (GMT/BST); it's (of course) simply -1 hour... i don't know about other people who've played as long as i have, but i'd probably end up launching an hour early or somethin...
i'm with you there mate

there's no real reason they should change, it's even worse for people who are 4 or 5 hours out, and have to adjust
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Makes no sens to change the CEST tradition, its part of planetarion.
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Unread 16 Jan 2003, 02:08   #56
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Makes no sens to change the CEST tradition, its part of planetarion.
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CEST region is a bigger market than GMT so why change unless they expect to attract a lot more players from GMT region .
GMT = accepted base time the world over (and is basically 'internet time' - Linux servers are frequently set to use GMT, and only locally modify the displayed time dependant on user prefs).
PA = international, web based.

Who actually lives in the base time area is irrelevant; it's only 'convenient' for British people half of the year anyway (see below concerning Summertime alterations). Like it or not Greenwich Mean Time is the base time for the world, so where is the logic in using a mere local time? (before anyone answers "the creators are from Norway" - don't.)

To everyone saying "don't change from CEST", why exactly are you only refering to the summer version of the time? Whatever is chosen, they should stick to only the winter time so that idiotic timer alterations don't affect the game.

I also think it's a bad idea to allow user preferences to alter the chosen time - it makes for complications in organisation, which BC's can do without.


Edit: Please note that I don't actually care that much whether it's CET or GMT; entering an arguement about timezones without the slightest bit of thought is absurd, though - there is a far better arguement for GMT (and not fking BST, ever). Failing to acknowledge that is plain stupidity. The "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" type reply is a rather uninspiring, too.

Oh, and it's spelt "Britannia." Being patriotic while not having the respect to spell the object of your affection correctly is quite absurd.
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what??

i want CEST
if not i quit
and start spam mail u guys!

british players r the biggest group? LOL
heard of SCANDINAVIA?
and we use CEST
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Re: what??

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i want CEST
if not i quit
and start spam mail u guys!

british players r the biggest group? LOL
heard of SCANDINAVIA?
and we use CEST

im not sure what to make of this, first i was gonna fire abuse, then pity.. now its just funny. lord-niko, tell me u were being sarcastic. for the love of god.
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make a poll ffs. Or stay with CEST.

and I have to agree LORD-NIKO

the amount of english and french player is nothing compared to the amount of dutch,german & scandinavian player!!
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clearly

British+french = a few

be/ne/lux countries + germany..austria..switzerland
+ scandinavia beats the british peeps.

but the point is when spinner created this game he used CEST.
and then i hope u stick with CEST.
to change timezone with 1 hour = just SILLY!

agreed make a poll.

Focus on the game.. not the clock.
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make a poll ffs. Or stay with CEST.

and I have to agree LORD-NIKO

the amount of english and french player is nothing compared to the amount of dutch,german & scandinavian player!!
I'd like to see a link mentioning the stats that PA crew have on this, before being a twat and pretending to know what I'm talking about.

Wouldn't you?

Where did you get the idea that France wasn't on CET anyway? It was last time I visited.
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and I have to agree LORD-NIKO
what? ure gonna quit and spam us all..

am i missing a joke here or are you really acting 6 yrs old?
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I couldn't care less what time zone they use. I just pray they complete the implementation of the tick counter by putting PT in News entries. Then the smart people can use PT (no more guessing if someone launched right before or right after the tick \o/)!
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i remember seeing Spinner mention a few rounds ago that 40% of all players were from the UK... i can't see this changing by any drastic amount. Probably at least 30% still were in round 8... but if you really want to know, ask Zeus...

and if it ain't broke, why fix it? it'll only CONFUSE PEOPLE you prat
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and if it ain't broke, why fix it? it'll only CONFUSE PEOPLE you prat
Oh no, you mean all the stupid people would fail miserably? What a shame. I really don't think I could live with myself knowing that stupid people were getting a raw deal.

What the UK player base is, is irrelevant. The issue is not of geography but of compatibility - if *everything* else is worked out relative to GMT, then that's a damn good argument for switching to GMT.

And guess what? It is.

Conservatism is all very well if you have the intelligence to consider the facts properly and still maintain that the current method is the best, without that intelligence though conservatism ends up being stubborn ignorance.
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Unread 17 Jan 2003, 20:41   #68
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heh, does it realy matter? its not like ure ships are gonna be faster on CEST that BST now is it? and its not as though u will have to stay up an extra hr or anything.. its only an arbitrary standard fs. and if it does matter that much, well, GMT is the centre for world time..
I have GMT 0 however I still think that they should keep the CEST time....despite all of that, does it really matter?!
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i don't appreciate being called stupid just cos i have some common sense, ta. You must be one of these people who loves change for the sake of change. I am NOT a Conservative. Yet.
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howz about adding a poll to this thread?

p.s. GMT is betta thats the basic time zone neways all the others are a + or - from GMT
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does that include 'BST'?
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does that include 'BST'?
BST is GMT + 1

CET is GMT + 1

CEST is GMT + 2

In the summer time, Britain uses daylight saving time, just like the rest of Europe, and it is called BST British Summer Time.

In Winter we use GMT Grenwhich Mean Time.

Europe in Summer uses CEST Central European Summer Time

Europe in Winter uses CET Central European Time

So therefore Europe is always 1 hour ahead of Britain (give or take a the odd week when time changes are done)

It does not matter what "Time" is used for the game, it is irellevant.

Just use Tick count to arrange launches etc...

ie: Arrange attacks on the basis of Launch at tick # not at a specific time.
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Just use Tick count to arrange launches etc...

ie: Arrange attacks on the basis of Launch at tick # not at a specific time.
I still think this is a bad idea. It's far too useful to be able to tell people "be online at 4:30 every day for target picking" to totally remove an arbitrary time system from the game. You'd have to say "today we launch at tick 345, we'll be using the same time every day so just keep adding 24 to that number and you're sorted".

It doesn't take into account that the game may go down and continue at some other time, and makes the job of a BC hard (having to explain to stupid people that can't figure it out). Note that I am concerned about the BC, not the stupid people.

An in-game clock is a requirement.
What time that clock uses doesn't really matter; it just makes more sense to use GMT.
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blah time blah
you miss the point... BST is still one hour ahead of GMT, regardless of whether CET/CEST is one hour ahead of the UK

if you still don't understand, don't worry about it! i was just being daft anyway...
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too many ppl are used to CEST. Despite me living in the uk i cant see the point in the clock being changed, if its not broke, dont fix it?
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Personally CEST is almost easier for working in PA. Everyone refers to it as CEST regardless.

Maybe the move to GMT would be sensible for R10, since PA is now UK based and the changes proposed for R10 would make such a radical change seem to be appropriate at that juncture, rather for R9 which seems to be more a last gasp for the old regime than a breath of new life and new ideas :/
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[...]To be honest what time zone the game is played in makes very little difference to me although I'd like to stick to CEST just out of tradition.[...]
*Agree*

Besides why discuss it? Just make a poll, problem solved.
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Besides why discuss it? Just make a poll, problem solved.
No--haven't you been following the overburn discussions? First they'd have to announce that it won't be changed, then run a poll, then change it again.


But seriously, in keeping with the spirit of a space game, I think they should use Martian Time (MT). In Martian Time, each "day" would be approximately 24 hours, 40-odd minutes long. The "extra" time would be accomodated by inserting approximately 100 additional seconds right before each tick--right where they needed the most (think how many times we've all just missed the tick)!

Of course the martian hours would be out of sync with terrestial hours, but this would actually offer some important advantages. Consider the prime attacking hours: 3-5 am. They would arrive ~40 minutes later each night; and while this would initially be inconvenient, they would soon migrate to the much more convenient mid-morning, afternoon and finally prime evening hours , eventually arriving back at their early morning time after a period of about 37 days. This would allow everyone--no matter which time zone they were in or what their work/school schedule was--to participate in attacks and defenses equally! Any advantages or disadvantages that might come from being awake or asleep at certain hours would be shared equally amongst all players.

If you think about it, MT is an ideal time zone that would be fair for everyone.
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Let the timezone be set freely by the players. If alliances expect that causes troubles organising then they should direct their members to adjust their timesetting to the alliance standard time setting wheather that be CEST or EST or whatever.

Mayby if an alliance is part of the game it could even force it members to use the alliance standard timezone.

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i remember seeing Spinner mention a few rounds ago that 40% of all players were from the UK... i can't see this changing by any drastic amount. Probably at least 30% still were in round 8... but if you really want to know, ask Zeus...
I seem to recall ~1/3 players were from the UK, and 20-25% from the USA, Scandinavia came in third. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are more players in the GMT timezone or the CE(S)T one, only PA records could tell that. At least it spares us any US timezones.

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Arrange attacks on the basis of Launch at tick # not at a specific time.
Some of us can't live at our computers 24/7, hell, some of us even have to have jobs etc. I personally almost never look at PT, I only recall using it around the summer time clock changes (damn those farmers, why can't they just get up earlier?). I image that a lot of launched would be c0cked up if we used PT over any time measurement, be it whatever timezone.

I personally would like to see GMT used as I live in the UK, but that's totally understandable. I'm sure people from different timezones feel just the same about theirs.
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[quote]Originally posted by RealJames
[b]I seem to recall ~1/3 players were from the UK, and 20-25% from the USA, Scandinavia came in third. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are more players in the GMT timezone or the CE(S)T one, only PA records could tell that. At least it spares us any US timezones.

think about it... even taking lower limits of your stats, 67% of people for CERTAIN were not in CET timezone... meaning at the very least, everyone in CET totalled 33% of players, ie equal to the UK - and that's forgetting about all the other non-US/UK/Western European timezons...

plus don't forget, i think Portugal is on GMT too

therefore GMT was most popular timezone

not that it matters, i agree with the guy that said if you're going to change to GMT, at least do it in round 10 not round 9
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Unread 27 Feb 2003, 20:32   #82
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clearly just stick with what it was... heh why bother changing it?:/
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Unread 27 Feb 2003, 20:40   #83
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Angry CEST CEST CEST!!

on behalf of TheVoid and me...

GIVE US BACK OUR CEST!!!


(or at least let the players decide through an official poll)
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Unread 27 Feb 2003, 20:46   #84
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[20:52] <kombi> glimmer
[20:52] <kombi> need ur input
[20:52] <kombi> post on the pa forums
[20:52] <kombi> http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...69#post2333869
[20:52] <kombi> there
[20:52] <Glimmer> and i got to say wut ?
[20:52] <kombi> say the CEST Rox
[20:53] <kombi> and that GMT lieks boys

so guys
cest rox
and gmt lieks boyz
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CEST! GMT is for stupid ppl from an island.
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CEST! GMT is for stupid ppl from an island.
This island is where the game is based.
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This island is where the game is based.
Would suck if Spinner overslept because he mixed times, wouldnt it? He still lived in Norway last time I checked
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CEST back! GMT sucks
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GMT, or CEST, i dont really care..

Had a thought that PA could make up their own time?!
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cest all the way :> gmt is baad
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jolt servers r based in uk so id imagine all their servers would be gmt
when it was in norway their servers were in cest
funny coincidence how those timezones were the ones that those countries r in?

live with it u whinging european ponces
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Well after reading all this, I have to agree it would be a big pain. But truthfully I think they should do a poll on CEST or GMT. Then go with the results. Clearly everyone who's been playing PA for sometime will agree that all is use to CEST.
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I think EST or MST would be awesome

but no one cares what Chippeh thinks...


(btw, CEST > GTM, just cause it's always been CEST :/)
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cest

CEST is the soul of planetarion.

CEST r superiour to GMT...


Scandinavia....holland...germany...austria...swiss+++++

why change timezone just cause the creators r UK?

+ change the time 1 hour..
its really silly...
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clearly just stick with what it was... heh why bother changing it?:/
*sigh

cheers for bringin this thread back from the dead..

this thread just breeds arguements with no outcome about which all parties can agree. its either one or the other. theres no reason why one is better than the other, just opinions cos its more handy for you..

end of the day its up the the creators to make a decision and then we like it or lump it, but theres no justified reason for one over the other.

someone kill this thread
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(|) <- rats ass I dont give one what time zone its based in

lets go with ozzy time just to annoy the rest of you's

Edit forgot a o :\
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