User Name
Password

Go Back   Planetarion Forums > Planetarion Related Forums > Alliance Discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 07:56   #1
CBA
Mind-boggling
 
CBA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Devon, England
Posts: 1,468
CBA is infamous around these partsCBA is infamous around these partsCBA is infamous around these partsCBA is infamous around these partsCBA is infamous around these partsCBA is infamous around these parts
Ascrime

Will Ascendancy and Apprime take the next step for allying into a full on merge to create a superior breed of pa players ready to take on the universe!?!?














Seriously though

why the nap?

__________________
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. (Winston Churchill)

R21-Randy Dandys Winners R21
1:9:5 -SoClose- -YetSoFar-

You have pending friend requests from Newt.
CBA is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 08:21   #2
Wishmaster
LDK
 
Wishmaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
Wishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like him
Re: Ascrime

hehe.

It makes sense for both sides I spose?
Apprime can now just rollercoast to #1 without asc to lead the other block. I cant see us ( p3ng ) manage to talk ND / CT to keep hitting apprime enough to not make em #1. I hope I m wrong though!

Asc on the other side can consentrate on doing what they want to, and get #1 gal.

Why shouldnt they nap?
__________________
[Omen]

Quote:
Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
<JC`> i sent him a msg saying Wishmaster 0wns, so he recalled
Wishmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 10:00   #3
Buly
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 386
Buly is a jewel in the roughBuly is a jewel in the roughBuly is a jewel in the roughBuly is a jewel in the rough
Re: Ascrime

The knights in shining armour have failed, and decided to chicken out.

On a sidenote, aren't CT #1 and the ones that should be leading the block in order to stay up there?
__________________
Adapt has never been an official ND HC. He was on his way to promotion for some reason, but then got denied promotion. Lol at the muppet claiming he has been
Buly is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 10:15   #4
gzambo
Fightin-irish for life
 
gzambo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
Posts: 2,177
gzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buly View Post
The knights in shining armour have failed, and decided to chicken out.

On a sidenote, aren't CT #1 and the ones that should be leading the block in order to stay up there?
What exactly did we fail ,do you know why asc led the block against app ? Because all your post tells me is that you havent got a clue so your resorting to stupidity
gzambo is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 10:27   #5
tobbe
Registered User
 
tobbe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North
Posts: 227
tobbe is a splendid one to beholdtobbe is a splendid one to beholdtobbe is a splendid one to beholdtobbe is a splendid one to beholdtobbe is a splendid one to beholdtobbe is a splendid one to beholdtobbe is a splendid one to behold
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buly View Post
On a sidenote, aren't CT #1 and the ones that should be leading the block in order to stay up there?
Correct me if im wrong, but i dont think u need to be the highest ranked alliance to lead the block, u need someone with the interest and will to do so.
__________________
Memento mori !

VisioN Forever!
tobbe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 12:03   #6
ellonweb
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 401
ellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buly View Post
On a sidenote, aren't CT #1 and the ones that should be leading the block in order to stay up there?
This is exactly the problem. The alliances able to challenge for #1 are not challenging. Ascendancy stepped up and organised a block because noone else was capable or willing to lead. It wasn't Ascendancy's fight, it never was and it still isn't. This block has extended the round length from being over at pt72, to maybe lasting another week, 5 in total! That's some pretty impressive stuff for an alliance down in eighth place. Back to the point though: if Conspiracy and co don't step up to the plate, the round will be over in a week or less, yet they seem unable or unwilling to do so. Two nights of gal raiding, nice going! Why should anyone other than the alliances challenging for #1 have to take the initiative and do the hard work if they're not going to do it themselves?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
Asc on the other side can consentrate on doing what they want to, and get #1 gal.
The gal in question is hardly an Asc fortress like the kind we're used to seeing. In fact I highly doubt this is the motivation behind some of Asc's key political players, given the amount of inc Golan continues to organise on the gal!
ellonweb is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 12:48   #7
Zotnam
Over the moon
Stans Ski Jumping Champion, Ollie Skates Champion, Sperm Wars Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Deeeeenmark
Posts: 547
Zotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

that's just for xp, nothing personal
__________________
Golan - Ascendancy

Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)

Those damn emp races..
Zotnam is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 12:59   #8
Wishmaster
LDK
 
Wishmaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
Wishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like him
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by ellonweb View Post
This is exactly the problem. The alliances able to challenge for #1 are not challenging. Ascendancy stepped up and organised a block because noone else was capable or willing to lead. It wasn't Ascendancy's fight, it never was and it still isn't. This block has extended the round length from being over at pt72, to maybe lasting another week, 5 in total! That's some pretty impressive stuff for an alliance down in eighth place. Back to the point though: if Conspiracy and co don't step up to the plate, the round will be over in a week or less, yet they seem unable or unwilling to do so. Two nights of gal raiding, nice going! Why should anyone other than the alliances challenging for #1 have to take the initiative and do the hard work if they're not going to do it themselves?


agreed and understandable. sad though that theres only 1 alliance playing for #1 while the rest are playing to do well.
__________________
[Omen]

Quote:
Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
<JC`> i sent him a msg saying Wishmaster 0wns, so he recalled
Wishmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 13:40   #9
ellonweb
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 401
ellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant futureellonweb has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Why don't you take all these wonderful thoughts you have Wish, that you're so diligently sharing with us on the forums, and direct them towards your alliance! If you spent all this time that you spend on the forums instead trying to help the alliance whose tag you're in, maybe we wouldn't be in this sad state of affairs! Shame your heart ain't really where your mouth is. Though I wouldn't really want to put my heart around elviz's dick too if I were you, but I digress!
ellonweb is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 13:45   #10
Wishmaster
LDK
 
Wishmaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
Wishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himWishmaster is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like him
Re: Ascrime

haha. I m at work atm. So bored that I cant stay away from the forums.
But cant sit on irc / sort shit. When I m done at work, I go out fishing, and during the weekends I m drunk.
Its summer man, and I m working and when I m not, I m enjoying summer

maybe I ll take an active role next round! lets hope I dont

( how do you put a heart around a dick? )
__________________
[Omen]

Quote:
Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
<JC`> i sent him a msg saying Wishmaster 0wns, so he recalled
Wishmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 13:56   #11
Duo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 108
Duo has a spectacular aura aboutDuo has a spectacular aura about
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post

( how do you put a heart around a dick? )

Take a PINK crayon, make a BIG heart shaped form on the ground.


Then go stand inside the heart shaped form.
__________________
[SPOOOON]
Duo is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 14:33   #12
ricoshay
Save energy: Be apathetic
 
ricoshay's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 228
ricoshay is a splendid one to beholdricoshay is a splendid one to beholdricoshay is a splendid one to beholdricoshay is a splendid one to beholdricoshay is a splendid one to beholdricoshay is a splendid one to beholdricoshay is a splendid one to beholdricoshay is a splendid one to behold
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
( how do you put a heart around a dick? )

Just tell the dick you love it. It'll understand, there's no need to draw anything. ^_^
__________________
Ascendancy - Land'n'Crash Inc.
ricoshay is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 14:20   #13
H1TMANish
BlueTuba
 
H1TMANish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Essex
Posts: 98
H1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant futureH1TMANish has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBA View Post

Seriously though

why the nap?

We voted for it.
__________________
MY SMILE ONCE BROUGHT A PUPPY BACK TO LIFE.
H1TMANish is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 16:06   #14
Gio2k
Bolivian Alpaca
 
Gio2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
Gio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ascrime

Lol. Of all the probable political moves, this one is the least expected.
Anyways, if it's just a NAP, i don't see what the big fuzz is. Maybe p3nguins should NAP App as well.
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
Gio2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 16:33   #15
Heartless
CRASHING BEATS 'N FANTASY
 
Heartless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Cold Country.
Posts: 1,912
Heartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like himHeartless is an inspiration to us all and we should try to be more like him
Re: Ascrime

Let's all NAP each other and play Sim-Tarion... christ's sake. This game seems to be driven by us in Ascendancy only. If it wouldn't be for us everyone would just stick to galaxy raids and that's it. What's wrong with everyone else for not actively seeking their alliance's own benefit in the race for #1?
__________________
Ià! Ià! Munin F'tagn! - [*scendancy]
Heartless is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 18:11   #16
MiX
Who cares?
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 248
MiX has a spectacular aura aboutMiX has a spectacular aura aboutMiX has a spectacular aura about
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heartless View Post
Let's all NAP each other and play Sim-Tarion... christ's sake. This game seems to be driven by us in Ascendancy only. If it wouldn't be for us everyone would just stick to galaxy raids and that's it. What's wrong with everyone else for not actively seeking their alliance's own benefit in the race for #1?
Thats just not true, Apprime and p3ng were fighting. p3ng was losing without a chance, they werent capable of organizing help. Asc got involved and organized help, people were willing to listen to Asc since they are liek teh imbal33troflhax0rpro. Now theyre gone and things are back to what they were like before. CT etc dont have a big strong guy to stand behind anymore, so they just go back to being pussy.

That Ascrime thing would be cool if ascrime would be trying to get CT etc involved. But probably they will go for p3n since they are the only other alliance who seem to be taking a stab at winning. So another war where we can already predict the result, sad but true.
MiX is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 19:36   #17
Mzyxptlk
mz.
Alien Invasion Champion, Submarine Champion, Tiger Punch Champion, Barts Watersports Adventure Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by MiX View Post
That Ascrime thing would be cool if ascrime would be trying to get CT etc involved
Why the hell would we want to do that? They're Apprime's main competition at the moment! :|
__________________
The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
Mzyxptlk is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 16:45   #18
Gio2k
Bolivian Alpaca
 
Gio2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
Gio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ascrime

I would have loved to see Asc vs App on a one to one fight. Let's be realistic though, there is only just enough quality in PA left to make 1.5 good alliances.
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
Gio2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 18:43   #19
lizardking
tappajahai!
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 236
lizardking has much to be proud oflizardking has much to be proud oflizardking has much to be proud oflizardking has much to be proud oflizardking has much to be proud oflizardking has much to be proud oflizardking has much to be proud oflizardking has much to be proud of
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio2k View Post
I would have loved to see Asc vs App on a one to one fight. Let's be realistic though, there is only just enough quality in PA left to make 1.5 good alliances.
There's no quality left in PA to be worth the trouble.
__________________
I am the lizardking, I can do anything.

<[eX]MacTAnzu> u playing in the.. what was it.. game.planetarion.com ? or in pirate.planetarion.com ?

Ðragons

eX undercover Nihilum HC (thx to bwtmc)
lizardking is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 21:03   #20
ATRO
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 128
ATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant futureATRO has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Did someone actively target Asc today? Just curious as to the small roid loss.
ATRO is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 23:12   #21
eltsin
zawze^asc
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Norway.
Posts: 87
eltsin is just really niceeltsin is just really niceeltsin is just really niceeltsin is just really niceeltsin is just really nice
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATRO View Post
Did someone actively target Asc today? Just curious as to the small roid loss.
We had some incs from ND in 8:4 which contains a couple of Ascers. I also believe another Asc gal had incs, but not sure from who.

Not sure if this is actively or actually just gal raiding gals with a couple Asc planets in them. You'd have to ask the attacking alliances about that.

Cheers
__________________
"Facts are just opinions, and opinons can be wrong, the only thing that's never wrong is confidence."
- Veronica Palmer, Better Off Ted
eltsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 11:09   #22
Zotnam
Over the moon
Stans Ski Jumping Champion, Ollie Skates Champion, Sperm Wars Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Deeeeenmark
Posts: 547
Zotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATRO View Post
Did someone actively target Asc today? Just curious as to the small roid loss.
One planet lost 1100 roids yesterday, that planet was asc. Prolly will be a small minus again today, seems it's more important to hit us than apprime for some alliances
__________________
Golan - Ascendancy

Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)

Those damn emp races..
Zotnam is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 16:35   #23
VenoX
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 499
VenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant futureVenoX has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zotnam View Post
Prolly will be a small minus again today, seems it's more important to hit us than apprime for some alliances
Yes, you are being deliberately targetted since you left the block. Oh wait, no your not, PA doesn't revolve around Ascendancy as much as you self loving idiots try to pretend it does. Since you left the block and napped Apprime you have become completely irrelevant to everything. Know your role.
__________________
Founder and HC of [Denial] and [Evolution]
VenoX is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 16:56   #24
_Kila_
break it down!
 
_Kila_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,087
_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by VenoX View Post
PA doesn't revolve around Ascendancy
Judging by AD it does.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MiX View Post
Also hopping from one side to another is not a guaranteed way to avoid inc from both sides.
Hitting an ally for "hopping sides" works with allies like CT and Angels (one night of 25% roidloss in R13 springs to mind) but Ascendancy are more likely to start attacking with Apprime (if they haven't already)
__________________
I put the sex in dyslexia!
_Kila_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 17:20   #25
MiX
Who cares?
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 248
MiX has a spectacular aura aboutMiX has a spectacular aura aboutMiX has a spectacular aura about
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by _Kila_ View Post
...
Hitting an ally for "hopping sides" works with allies like CT and Angels (one night of 25% roidloss in R13 springs to mind) but Ascendancy are more likely to start attacking with Apprime (if they haven't already)
I ment it more as a responce to the surprised/upset responce on their incoming as expressed in this forum topic. They seem to expect CT etc. to just continue hitting Apprime and they expect everyone to leave asc alone. Since they used to be one of the "good guys", and now they napped the other side, how can anyone possibly attack them?

Well there are several obvious reasons, the first one I already stated;
Asc is roidfat, much more so then any other alliance, and since their low membercount/high number of scanners this effect is even more significant. More fat and less value/defence fleets.
Then there are a lot of gals containing both Apprime and Asc. Before the asc targets in these gals were avoided, now they are included in the target lists. I know for a fact those apprime heavy gals are still being targeted. It seems the asc in those gals are just losing more then the apprime in there. Perhaps the same reason about more fat/less available defence.
Perhaps asc is also being retalled/defended more by whoever they attack now, because they dont have other bigger alliance to soak up those fleets anymore.

Those are just a few reasons from the top of my head, I hope everyone in asc who voted for napping apprime kept those in mind atleast. Though it seems some didnt and are now surprised.
MiX is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 17:00   #26
Patrikc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 957
Patrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zotnam View Post
One planet lost 1100 roids yesterday, that planet was asc. Prolly will be a small minus again today, seems it's more important to hit us than apprime for some alliances
(He was asking about yesterday, not today.)
Patrikc is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 17:49   #27
Zotnam
Over the moon
Stans Ski Jumping Champion, Ollie Skates Champion, Sperm Wars Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Deeeeenmark
Posts: 547
Zotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant futureZotnam has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrikc View Post
(He was asking about yesterday, not today.)
And I told him what happend yesterday, can you stop this recent onset of needless posts please?
__________________
Golan - Ascendancy

Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)

Those damn emp races..
Zotnam is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 19:03   #28
Patrikc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 957
Patrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant futurePatrikc has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zotnam View Post
And I told him what happend yesterday, can you stop this recent onset of needless posts please?
I must've misread your post somehow, but I deny that any of my posts are needless!
Patrikc is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 24 Jul 2009, 21:11   #29
lokken
BlueTuba
 
lokken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.
Re: Ascrime

First of all continuing to beat Apprime into the ground was certainly an option for us. And we could have done it quite easily. The result however would have been a pretty stagnant round and two alliances up for victory who up to this point have shown little initiative to win. Both results would be disappointing outcomes for any round of planetarion.

Essentially by hitting Apprime up to this point we have created a three horse race in the final stages of the round. We're pitting Apprime's activity against a simple test for CT and p3nguins, which is whether they can cooperate. Whoever prevails will deserve to win that battle, and thus the round. Apprime have shown resilience while CT and p3ng are yet to respond. They should have learned by now that co-operation is the only way for them to dent Apprime. If they aren't willing to put other issue aside to cooperate, then they deserve to lose and if they've got any sense they'll heed my warning. Even on random roid raids, they'll outroid the other two so the other two need to work something out or they'll get binned the moment App have the strength to do so. So like ellonweb said - show some initiative.

Secondly, why NAP Apprime? Well, I certainly wouldn't have voted for it as I don't think they really need any help. My only guess is individual motivation to get roids. I would suspect that if p3ng and CT got their shit together we might do something different (although I can't say how other Asc would view that), which would probably be switching to general roiding rather than helping out either party.

Given our size and activity level we've achieved pretty much all we can bar a few ranks. We've arguably played much better than last round, better than everyone else in some aspects. It's disappointing not to be winning but we can't really finish #1 all the time.

Edit: Here's the graph: http://www.sandmans.co.uk/?p=compare...73&type=values
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Last edited by lokken; 24 Jul 2009 at 21:34.
lokken is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 12:49   #30
gzambo
Fightin-irish for life
 
gzambo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
Posts: 2,177
gzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

the price we pay for not doing other ally's dirty work i guess

Last edited by gzambo; 25 Jul 2009 at 12:53. Reason: spelling
gzambo is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 13:34   #31
MiX
Who cares?
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 248
MiX has a spectacular aura aboutMiX has a spectacular aura aboutMiX has a spectacular aura about
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by gzambo View Post
the price we pay for not doing other ally's dirty work i guess
highest avg size on a 4th avg score and probably less avg value when looking at the general style of play in your alliance. Perhaps asc is just a good target because of roidfat?

Also hopping from one side to another is not a guaranteed way to avoid inc from both sides.
MiX is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 19:46   #32
Colt
Mercenary
 
Colt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Todmorden
Posts: 1,192
Colt is a name known to allColt is a name known to allColt is a name known to allColt is a name known to allColt is a name known to allColt is a name known to all
Re: Ascrime

Well, what can we say...other than Shev rocks \o/
__________________
FAnG
Ascendancy
Apprime
Ultores
Colt is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 19:48   #33
Gio2k
Bolivian Alpaca
 
Gio2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
Gio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ascrime

Someone please hit Shev tomorrow
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
Gio2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 19:58   #34
Machado
Seraphim
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 196
Machado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the rough
Smile Re: Ascrime

Something else...

Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken View Post
Essentially by hitting Apprime up to this point we have created a three horse race in the final stages of the round. We're pitting Apprime's activity against a simple test for CT and p3nguins, which is whether they can cooperate.
(Earlier: Light talking to asc)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Light View Post
Now you're holding the block together, as you know if it disbands early.. we'll be coming for you.
Funny. Light/App is just an example here, not my point, just happened to be there. See, its funny how apparently Asc are one of the more roidable alliances at the moment, and still seem to get to boss around what supposedly is the best alliance this round - let alone the rest. I don't know if its just poor marketing on Apprime side, or if they really did have to swallow their pride by taking the chance for a nap when it was given to them by asc, but that has to hurt. At least, judging from all the posts here you'd almost forget that Apprime is actually the stronger side of the two.

Talk that nobody else could possibly lead the block is of course ridiculous and pure and utter bullshit. And yet, with every post like that it becomes a little bit more true. It all depends on what you believe, and right now it seems that you all believe(d) only Asc can light the way for you, while in all truth that is mainly because you gave them the flash light yourself. By talking asc up so much, you make asc more powerful than they in fact really are, and asc has made brilliant use of it. Well, up until this point - I think this NAP was a good show of power by Asc but also quite possibly it could have single-handedly ended the bulk of Ascs true power this round. After all, their real trump cards are now spent, and we all seem to have the same deck now. Now is the chance for another alliance to show their worth (or lack thereof).

In my opinion, quality players and such aside, pure black and white (and thus by definition faulted due to being oversimplified) - I think asc was just as powerful this round as everybody made them. And evidently, that was a lot. But you only have yourselves to blame. Reputation proves to be a powerful tool, and while this nap is certainly in App's benefit, it cost them a bunch of it. At least, that is if you read the posts in this topic. Via them, one could come to the conclusion that the current #7 alliance has single-handedly manipulated the top 3 into their current situation - which is of course also ridiculous. Right?
__________________
Seraphim
Machado is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 21:23   #35
Mzyxptlk
mz.
Alien Invasion Champion, Submarine Champion, Tiger Punch Champion, Barts Watersports Adventure Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.Mzyxptlk has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.
Re: Ascrime

Apprime is the stronger alliance, though I'm not sure if they'd be able to destroy us like Ascendancy destroyed some of the BGs last round. However, napping Ascendancy is an insanely clever move.

First of all, Ascendancy won't be a threat to #1 this round. We have too few planets, and too many of those are idle or valueless. As such, Apprime won't have to be afraid we'll turn against them near round end.

Secondly, until Ascendancy set up the anti-Apprime block, CT & co were very content to either galraid or target each other, even while Apprime was running away with the round. While it's true that another alliance could lead the block in place of Ascendancy, I consider this highly unlikely. One only has to look at the current situation to see evidence of that.

Within hours after leaving the block, CT napped ND and left p3nguins to rot. p3nguins tried to salvage the situation by napping Ascendancy, but by that time we had already grown accustomed to the idea of napping Apprime, and though the option was added to the poll, absolutely no one voted for it. (I realise my chronology is a bit off here, but good p3nguins intel would fill the holes in this story.) This kind of fragmentation is exactly what Apprime needs to turn the game around, as their quality is undoubtedly higher than CT's and p3nguins'.

As for Ascendancy getting hit, that's hardly a surprise. If you're hitting a galaxy with both Apprime and Ascendancy in it, you would be stupid allowing the Ascendancy planets to 3 fleet defend, especially because we're now actively working with Apprime (though not defensively, at least not alliance-wide).

However, if CT/p3nguins want any chance of keeping their current roid lead, they should continue to at least focus on Apprime. You could all-out target Ascendancy in an attempt to get us to drop the nap with Apprime (and you would get a significant amount of roids out of it, I'm sure), but we haven't exactly been easy to push around in the past, and though a large part of our military strength is now gone, our resilence has probably increased. Meanwhile they'd be giving Apprime ample time to regain their lost roids, throwing away their only advantage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Machado
Via them, one could come to the conclusion that the current #7 alliance has single-handedly manipulated the top 3 into their current situation - which is of course also ridiculous. Right?
No, what is really ridiculous is that CT and p3nguins apparently needed the (at the time) #8 alliance to give them a chance to win the round. That is not a testament to our (not insignificant) greatness, but a testament to p3nguins' and (especially!) CT's hilarious incompetence.
__________________
The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.

Last edited by Mzyxptlk; 25 Jul 2009 at 21:41.
Mzyxptlk is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 21:56   #36
gzambo
Fightin-irish for life
 
gzambo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
Posts: 2,177
gzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant futuregzambo has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Machado View Post
I don't know if its just poor marketing on Apprime side, or if they really did have to swallow their pride by taking the chance for a nap when it was given to them by asc, but that has to hurt. At least, judging from all the posts here you'd almost forget that Apprime is actually the stronger side of the two.
just so you know apprime offered asc the nap

and strenght is not just measured by mil capability you also need to be able to read and react to the politics that unfold within a round , too many HC only see the short term and then gallop head first down that road
gzambo is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 26 Jul 2009, 19:09   #37
Machado
Seraphim
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 196
Machado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the rough
Re: Ascrime

This post turned out to be quite a bit longer than I had meant, mainly due to addressing several (and most) points specifically (and some regretfully repeatedly, I apologise in advance).

First of all, it should probably be noted that CT declined a (or multiple?) request to NAP with Apprime upon joining the block, which was somewhat difficult for CT since Apprime has a lot of ex-CT members. However, they saw joining the block against Apprime as giving them (much?) better odds to win the round. I can imagine that up until that point, and also considering that the incs CT had had until then were mainly p3nguins (randoms or not), napping Apprime was still on the table. After all, everybody knew there was going to be an anti-app block, whether CT would organise it or not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk View Post
No, what is really ridiculous is that CT and p3nguins apparently needed the (at the time) #8 alliance to give them a chance to win the round. That is not a testament to our (not insignificant) greatness, but a testament to p3nguins' and (especially!) CT's hilarious incompetence.
Ridiculous? Why? Its true (and obvious) that neither p3 nor CT would win on their own, so they needed others whatever the case. Whether that's #3 or #7 doesn't matter so much as long as it gets the job done. The fact they're in the race now shows they did something right.

It just depends on point of view: you think you did what CT didn't/wouldn't, while I think you did what CT predicted you'd do if they wouldn't.

Who knows, if CT had gone right for App from the start Asc (or someone else) might have joined forces with App much earlier. For conspiracy, in the end, its simply two different ways of working to achieve the same goal. This goal has been achieved, with CT keeping out of the spot light at it. Add to that the fact that hitting Apprime is harder than hitting pretty much any other alliance, its not too far off to conclude that by doing randoms (and with smart targeting also hitting the preoccupied allies) there was more personal gain for at least a little while.

I hate to say it so blunt, but why do the dirty work yourself when you know somebody else will do it for you anyway? In the unlikely event that nothing did form in time, there was always the option to finally do some pushing of their own, at the risk of that being too little too late. Regardless of "what if's" - it put CT into a position of luxury. They could still decide which road to take after both sides had taken shape, and benefit from the weakened position of the other alliances. Of course now CT can't escape having to do dirty work, but now they're not in a disadvantageous position to do some. They would (have to) join the block eventually, and I fully agree that cooperation and attacks on Apprime are necessary to keep the chance to win.

But of course everybody knows this was completely wrong and stupid, because after all the way they would choose is the only good one, and even then, its still fail because its not them doing it. What you consider inaction might just have been calculated slow play. If you can't see the plan (or the action) it doesn't mean its not there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk View Post
However, napping Ascendancy is an insanely clever move.
Very true of course, like before, I'd even go as far as saying that it was one of the few single things they could do that would be efficient enough to stay in reach of the #1. Seems smart from Ascendancy point of view too, judging from the opinions expressed so far. Why risk the wrath of the beast if you can risk the wrath of the peasants instead, and point the attention of the peasants towards the beast just a little bit more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gzambo View Post
just so you know apprime offered asc the nap

and strenght is not just measured by mil capability you also need to be able to read and react to the politics that unfold within a round , too many HC only see the short term and then gallop head first down that road
Looks to be just bad marketing from app side then, and perhaps a slightly awkward (or excellent) choice of words from lokken's side. I'd like to add predict political climate pre-round to that list. By the way, looking at short term and gallop head first down that road seems to be exactly what everybody seems to regard as what CT should have done, judging from various posts and common opinion. Leads me to state that not just too many HC do this, but too many players. Take a look at a random thread on AD, its all opportunistic, like I said with my first post. Opinions/reasons/entire core beliefs vary from week to week depending on whatever situation the poster is currently in, and there's hardly anyone who doesn't fall into this trap, and that could well mainly be due to a lack of frequent posting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk View Post
Within hours after leaving the block, CT napped ND and left p3nguins to rot.
You did say your chronology was wrong. CT napped ND (way?) before the block disbanded. Anticipating the block falling apart, and their only other friends Apprime being royally pissed at them for obvious reasons, this was a bit as a safe guard from both. Again, it shows more vision than people seem to be capable of noticing. You (talking in general here, not specifically aimed at you mz) should really try thinking what another's motives might be rather than write everything off as incompetence or whatever. And naturally, that bit about p3nguins is just rubbish. As you well know, it takes two to tango.

---------------------------

Some info about the writer... :P I am new to CT, fresh in this round (in fact its been quite a while since I played seriously and rl actually allows me to finish a round). I say they as to not confuse my personal opinion with official CT statements, and also since I've been nastily lazy and have done little more to influence the game plan than at rare times discuss, and always observe. This is just from my point of view, and I hope it offered a little insight into the other side.

I think so far things went pretty well according to plan, the block formed, we kept a pretty low profile, and we overtook Apprime as we had hoped (planned?) - everybody has played their parts very well (and should CT win we definitely have to give credit to asc for their role - I never really liked asc for really no decent reason at all, but I have to give them a lot of points for their play this round, which started with the halt of the recruitment of everybody and their son - aside from helping us, in general, you spiced up the round a lot, I'm quite impressed). But for CT this was just stage one, and the (relatively) easy part at that. Now that the cards are finally shuffled, only now, will the only truly visible test for CT start: maintain our lead over Apprime. As for p3nguins (and the rest, pretty much) I'd say we're the best chance they've got of increasing their own rank, at least right now. At least if p3 want the #1 they have to overtake Apprime first. After all, CT is much easier to deal with

At the risk of spoiling all of our secret schemes for this round so far with my post, I just wanted to go ahead and say that while I think its lovely that everybody has an opinion of everything, keep in mind there may be more than simply what you believe to be the right way (or only! way) of doing something. What you mistake for inaction might just be calculated slow play, and you don't need to see a plan in order for it to be there.
__________________
Seraphim
Machado is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 26 Jul 2009, 20:33   #38
lokken
BlueTuba
 
lokken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Machado View Post
This post turned out to be quite a bit longer than I had meant, mainly due to addressing several (and most) points specifically (and some regretfully repeatedly, I apologise in advance).

First of all, it should probably be noted that CT declined a (or multiple?) request to NAP with Apprime upon joining the block, which was somewhat difficult for CT since Apprime has a lot of ex-CT members. However, they saw joining the block against Apprime as giving them (much?) better odds to win the round. I can imagine that up until that point, and also considering that the incs CT had had until then were mainly p3nguins (randoms or not), napping Apprime was still on the table. After all, everybody knew there was going to be an anti-app block, whether CT would organise it or not.
Wait, you're debating this in terms of "much better". That option is everyone but CT dead, then CT dead or outroided to a ridiculous level. Apprime are only 9 million down because everyone hit them - never mind if they actually had people on their side for the whole round (in which case it would be the other way, as an alliance that active would never do this).

Quote:
Ridiculous? Why? Its true (and obvious) that neither p3 nor CT would win on their own, so they needed others whatever the case. Whether that's #3 or #7 doesn't matter so much as long as it gets the job done. The fact they're in the race now shows they did something right.
The reality is that we were the instigators - to make such a claim that your HC sat in the expectation we'd approach them to coordinate the whole charade is somewhat ridiculous.

Quote:
It just depends on point of view: you think you did what CT didn't/wouldn't, while I think you did what CT predicted you'd do if they wouldn't.
Our point of view at the time was simple: having one alliance (Apprime) overrun everyone was totally undesirable and we did what was needed to stop that. Particularly when it's us who would be overrun. Who won as a result was irrelevant.

Quote:
Who knows, if CT had gone right for App from the start Asc (or someone else) might have joined forces with App much earlier. For conspiracy, in the end, its simply two different ways of working to achieve the same goal. This goal has been achieved, with CT keeping out of the spot light at it. Add to that the fact that hitting Apprime is harder than hitting pretty much any other alliance, its not too far off to conclude that by doing randoms (and with smart targeting also hitting the preoccupied allies) there was more personal gain for at least a little while.
CT against App solo is an amusing thought. Firstly because the thought of CT going into war from the get go is a hilarious "it'll never happen" given that I have one of your HC logged saying that CT members do the emo dance the minute it gets tough. Secondly, because Apprime would be shredded.

Quote:
I hate to say it so blunt, but why do the dirty work yourself when you know somebody else will do it for you anyway? In the unlikely event that nothing did form in time, there was always the option to finally do some pushing of their own, at the risk of that being too little too late. Regardless of "what if's" - it put CT into a position of luxury. They could still decide which road to take after both sides had taken shape, and benefit from the weakened position of the other alliances. Of course now CT can't escape having to do dirty work, but now they're not in a disadvantageous position to do some. They would (have to) join the block eventually, and I fully agree that cooperation and attacks on Apprime are necessary to keep the chance to win.
Let's be clear here: your HC nearly got everyone killed and took a ridiculous amount of effort to persuade otherwise. Without beating about the bush, militarily you're enough of a shambles that they can't be that fantastic actors to intentionally difficult and then be persuaded. The stubbornness of CT HC to work with anyone that had hit them despite it being totally necessary to cooperate with them was beyond stupid. When you're bad enough to drive killerbee out of the channel and getting reams of abuse in #ascendancy when the log is pasted, I think you're overrating your own HC here. They're staggeringly, staggeringly bad and if they do achieve this victory, they'll have us to thank.

Quote:
But of course everybody knows this was completely wrong and stupid, because after all the way they would choose is the only good one, and even then, its still fail because its not them doing it. What you consider inaction might just have been calculated slow play. If you can't see the plan (or the action) it doesn't mean its not there.
CT's plan is very simple: stay out of conflict and hope for the best. I don't think it's a particularly clever strategy and nor a particularly successful one, given that in r30 it achieved a sixty thousand roid lead that ended up in a massacre. You may still win if enough people help you; but that's contingent on your side being competent but if Apprime keep going it'll be very close (which is very much the intent of the timing of our withdrawal).

Quote:
Very true of course, like before, I'd even go as far as saying that it was one of the few single things they could do that would be efficient enough to stay in reach of the #1. Seems smart from Ascendancy point of view too, judging from the opinions expressed so far. Why risk the wrath of the beast if you can risk the wrath of the peasants instead, and point the attention of the peasants towards the beast just a little bit more.
Our main concern is survival. The setting up the round is secondary but we were in such a position of political domination (arguably prior to tag score we might be in with a chance of being labeled winners right now) that we could decide to set up the round that way.

Quote:
Looks to be just bad marketing from app side then, and perhaps a slightly awkward (or excellent) choice of words from lokken's side. I'd like to add predict political climate pre-round to that list. By the way, looking at short term and gallop head first down that road seems to be exactly what everybody seems to regard as what CT should have done, judging from various posts and common opinion. Leads me to state that not just too many HC do this, but too many players. Take a look at a random thread on AD, its all opportunistic, like I said with my first post. Opinions/reasons/entire core beliefs vary from week to week depending on whatever situation the poster is currently in, and there's hardly anyone who doesn't fall into this trap, and that could well mainly be due to a lack of frequent posting
It's actually because people lack knowledge of the tendencies of the game engine long term.

Quote:
You did say your chronology was wrong. CT napped ND (way?) before the block disbanded. Anticipating the block falling apart, and their only other friends Apprime being royally pissed at them for obvious reasons, this was a bit as a safe guard from both. Again, it shows more vision than people seem to be capable of noticing. You (talking in general here, not specifically aimed at you mz) should really try thinking what another's motives might be rather than write everything off as incompetence or whatever. And naturally, that bit about p3nguins is just rubbish. As you well know, it takes two to tango.
My guess is that you were hoping Apprime would be defeated and that napping ND anticipated a fight with p3nguins.

Quote:
Some info about the writer... :P I am new to CT, fresh in this round (in fact its been quite a while since I played seriously and rl actually allows me to finish a round). I say they as to not confuse my personal opinion with official CT statements, and also since I've been nastily lazy and have done little more to influence the game plan than at rare times discuss, and always observe. This is just from my point of view, and I hope it offered a little insight into the other side.

I think so far things went pretty well according to plan, the block formed, we kept a pretty low profile, and we overtook Apprime as we had hoped (planned?) - everybody has played their parts very well (and should CT win we definitely have to give credit to asc for their role - I never really liked asc for really no decent reason at all, but I have to give them a lot of points for their play this round, which started with the halt of the recruitment of everybody and their son - aside from helping us, in general, you spiced up the round a lot, I'm quite impressed). But for CT this was just stage one, and the (relatively) easy part at that. Now that the cards are finally shuffled, only now, will the only truly visible test for CT start: maintain our lead over Apprime. As for p3nguins (and the rest, pretty much) I'd say we're the best chance they've got of increasing their own rank, at least right now. At least if p3 want the #1 they have to overtake Apprime first. After all, CT is much easier to deal with

At the risk of spoiling all of our secret schemes for this round so far with my post, I just wanted to go ahead and say that while I think its lovely that everybody has an opinion of everything, keep in mind there may be more than simply what you believe to be the right way (or only! way) of doing something. What you mistake for inaction might just be calculated slow play, and you don't need to see a plan in order for it to be there.
Take over from CT HC; you are way better than them.

Just to clear up: I'm not outraged at the idea of CT winning at all; it's meant to be 'close'. I'm more outraged that anyone could possibly suppose that they've got the aptitude to do any kind of slow play that you imagine.
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
lokken is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 21:23   #39
HaNzI
Apprime Troll HC
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 857
HaNzI has a spectacular aura aboutHaNzI has a spectacular aura aboutHaNzI has a spectacular aura about
Re: Ascrime

Its not a matter of how many planets and how much value they have, but how they use it. Asc is just as big a threat then higher ranked alliances. But that all comes down to a few individuals that seem to put a lot of effort in once in a while.

Personally im a bit tired of PA after 3 rounds in a "pure" fortress gal, endless incs and long nights. It affects your real life!
I dont see how this will change either, since the memberbase pretty much stays the same. One alliance will do good because they put effort in, and everyone else will try to bash them senseless, leading to even more effort needed for the "best" alliance.

So from my point of view, the asc nap was unexpected but it was ****ing needed, because in a small community like this it sucks to be the one getting battered night after night, decreasing the quality of your life over time!
If i were in a block like the one who was hitting Apprime, i would delete my account rather then try making people quit the game.
HaNzI is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 25 Jul 2009, 21:44   #40
lokken
BlueTuba
 
lokken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.lokken has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.
Re: Ascrime

What people don't understand is that hitting anyone has a certain amount of political fallout. I mean we worked terribly hard to make sure CT didn't get hit during the cooperation period, simply because we know that their HC are oversensitive about it. By the same token, hitting Ascendancy at this point just pushes us to a point where we work more closely with Apprime because needs must. Sometimes in politics it's about what you do get up to. As anyone who got incoming from DLR early on in r30 will know - as we made sure we didn't get any without napping them.
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Last edited by lokken; 25 Jul 2009 at 21:54.
lokken is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 26 Jul 2009, 17:04   #41
MaxMilliaN
red looks good on me eh
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 424
MaxMilliaN is infamous around these partsMaxMilliaN is infamous around these partsMaxMilliaN is infamous around these partsMaxMilliaN is infamous around these partsMaxMilliaN is infamous around these parts
Re: Ascrime

mz i want to nap u
__________________
[eXilition] [Omen] [Quha] [Apprime] [Ðragons]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tesla
I signed up to make sure eX didnt win the round, thanks to your HCs last decision it looks like I succeeded
Apprime
MaxMilliaN is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 26 Jul 2009, 22:06   #42
Gio2k
Bolivian Alpaca
 
Gio2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
Gio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond reputeGio2k has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ascrime

I wanted to laugh my ass off after reading Machados protrayal of CT HC as having that much political insight. But let's be realistic, almost every round there is an alliance that thinks they can fence their way into winning the round. CT is this rounds version.
There is nothing cunning, nothing deep, no slow-play. It's just lack of balls. Usually, after the real fight has been settled, the real winner trashes the #1 fencer in a couple of nights, and that's it.
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
Gio2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 26 Jul 2009, 22:22   #43
JonnyBGood
Banned
 
JonnyBGood's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
Posts: 19,441
JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.
Re: Ascrime

It gets pretty bizzare at times how much people overthink things. The anti-apprime block originally started when killerbee pmed me on the 8th of this month and said that although EC would be willing to join a block he wasn't interested in starting it. I went around and we got everyone into a channel and Apprime got hit and lost roids. The block then had a poor second night and went into hiatus briefly before re-emerging the following week when Apprime seemed to be threatening to dominate. I never found anyone remotely difficult to work with once the block had started. There were difficulties getting CT involved but shit always happens somewhere. The accusations of fencing towards CT are a bit unjustified really. As far as I can recall they've hit apprime as much as anyone. The only difference was that they had some reservations about entering the block, given that they had the most to lose potentially, after ascendancy, this is hardly that surprising though. Yeah they could have done more, so could we all, in terms of hitting apprime etc but you can hardly expect any alliance to become a lethally efficient war machine overnight. It's hardly the case that some tragic ****up by CT HC is costing them the round right now, they're still first and still got a roidlead over apprime. I know sometimes PA can be a bit misleading and people remember results and not the actual progression of events but you can't win planetarion without getting more roids than the opposition.

In the end I thought we should leave the block when it got to the point where Apprime had lost their value lead and had fewer roids than both ct and p3nguins. In my opinion the best thing ascendancy could do this round is to try and balance things as much as possible. This both helps us, in the sense we don't get farmed by an alliance that's miles bigger than us and impossible to touch, and helps planetarion, in the sense that a round that looked very much over two weeks again is fairly finely balanced at the minute. That seems to have happened. Funky.

I don't seriously claim, or claim on behalf of Ascendancy, some sort of divine inspiration in PA where we're running the game and playing everyone off against everyone else. That sort of shit is just absurdly untrue. We were a reasonable voice in the block getting started and we, purely by virtue of that and experience in these things as well, used to take the lead in dividing targets or whatever. But the block seems perfectly fine without us. And so much the better really, it'd be truly some shameful shit if we were the only alliance that did anything in PA.
__________________
Some might ask what good is life without purpose but I'm anticipating a good lunch.
JonnyBGood is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 27 Jul 2009, 00:44   #44
Machado
Seraphim
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 196
Machado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the rough
Re: Ascrime

I was actually going to bed about half an hour ago after three exhausting days... But nooooo, had to post

Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken View Post
The reality is that we were the instigators - to make such a claim that your HC sat in the expectation we'd approach them to coordinate the whole charade is somewhat ridiculous.
Well don't get me wrong, you certainly took the initiative (and I applaud you for that) - but it did move the attention from the "leading pack" to yourself, even before CT chose to become actively involved. It might perhaps have been somewhat overdone to say it was according to our grand scheme, but its safe to say it was a scenario (one of a few) which we were hoping for (I hope, at least :P) and which wasn't completely out of the blue. I mean, honestly, pre-round you never thought this was probably one of the more likely scenarios, if CT (and p3n) laid back? I can't believe that.

Maybe it was more hope than wisdom that drove our actions, but you can't say things have went to hell for us so far.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken View Post
CT's plan is very simple: stay out of conflict and hope for the best.
As much as you might like to believe that, I'm really going to have to contradict you here. The fact I myself have been landing on Apprimes (ally raids, block raids, fc's) virtually every night for quite some time now (exception here and there), except when Apprime hit my gal twice, really tells me that whatever we're doing, avoiding conflict is really not what's going down. (well, what JBG said)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken View Post
Let's be clear here: your HC nearly got everyone killed and took a ridiculous amount of effort to persuade otherwise.
I am aware of certain issues and situations that have occurred, but as far as I know, we've also experienced an unwillingness from other alliances to coordinate with us especially early round. Now I weren't there so I may not have the full story here, but I was led to believe that in the end what it really came down to was that CT wanted to make sure the block actually focussed on Apprime, instead of being lost in other things. The avoidance was part of this.

You can't blame people for wanted some assurance that whatever they're participating in is actually in their best interest. Basically, they tabled some demands to protect their interest - or perhaps they were just testing their leverage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken View Post
My guess is that you were hoping Apprime would be defeated and that napping ND anticipated a fight with p3nguins.
Personally, I feel the main issue was not incomings from p3nguins per say, or a fight between our two alliances. I doubt anyone with a remotely useful set of brains could rate Apprime so low - personally I thought Apprime would be hotter on our tails already. That said, I did have to fight off about ten apprime fleets to ensure none of them landed on me this morning, so meh. Or better said, my gal did while I was at work desperately trying to use my cell phone to internet :P

Anyway, the main scenario that was considered most of all, I think, was that the block could simply move on to hit the new #1, us in this case. Napping ND should be considered, like I said, a bit of a safe guard (apart from just plain useful and logical). P3nguins would not have been a logical choice, since relatively spoken they have far more to gain from us than ND. (Or perhaps because of that, far more logical - but mehh)

Now, with all of that said, what you said (quote) is of course true, that would have been the best possible scenario for us, I believe. Yet, I can't believe anybody actually believed that would happen.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken View Post
Just to clear up: I'm not outraged at the idea of CT winning at all; it's meant to be 'close'. I'm more outraged that anyone could possibly suppose that they've got the aptitude to do any kind of slow play that you imagine.
The literal words used when we discussed a more or less similar scenario (amongst many other possible scenario's) in the early round, were: "At least nobody will expect it, we're the underdog, nobody will think we're worth shit, lets use that." Although, as said, that wasn't a HC meeting or anything. Just a few interested and involved folk like you and me. Hell, we even discussed this in #CT for over an hour early round as the block was slowly taking shape (and quite fiercely at that).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio2k View Post
I wanted to laugh my ass off after reading Machados protrayal of CT HC as having that much political insight. But let's be realistic, almost every round there is an alliance that thinks they can fence their way into winning the round. CT is this rounds version.
There is nothing cunning, nothing deep, no slow-play. It's just lack of balls. Usually, after the real fight has been settled, the real winner trashes the #1 fencer in a couple of nights, and that's it.
To tell you the truth, this is exactly how I always saw CT. Fencing lazy/cowardly folk who just avoided if they could. I just followed the evolution folk, and was glad I might be able to finish a round finally, first since... I dunno, 27? and then 16?.

But honestly, in CT now, I can't judge earlier rounds but I might just have been wrong, that is irrelevant right now anyway. What you said is just bollocks. If we wanted the easy way, we'd have napped Apprime and be done with it. But instead, we've hit everyone and Apprime plenty, and we haven't been avoiding anyone except maybe early on for reasons mentioned already (read my 2nd post). And don't think anybody in CT was expecting an easy time in the fight against Apprime. We're not about to give up and if anybody, whoever they are, thinks we'll drop without a damn good fight (or try), they obviously have no idea at all of what the members of CT want, and how far they're willing to go.

Honestly and seriously, if that's your idea of what CT is doing this round you are gravely misinformed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBGood View Post
It gets pretty bizzare at times how much people overthink things.
Haha, well, no real arguments there

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBGood View Post
I don't seriously claim, or claim on behalf of Ascendancy, some sort of divine inspiration in PA where we're running the game and playing everyone off against everyone else. That sort of shit is just absurdly untrue.
Oh, I know, I didn't (seriously) mean to imply that anybody did. My first post was mostly just a slight mocking of AD in general and all the horribly opportunistic political posturing.

--

Oh... and I just noticed something...

@MZ: (screw quote tags, enough is enough!)

Originally Posted by Machado
Via them, one could come to the conclusion that the current #7 alliance has single-handedly manipulated the top 3 into their current situation - which is of course also ridiculous. Right?

MZ: No, what is really ridiculous is that CT and p3nguins apparently.............

--- I actually referred to "one could come to the conclusion" as being ridiculous, hence the "right?" at the end. Sorry if that was unclear :P
__________________
Seraphim
Machado is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 31 Jul 2009, 19:02   #45
Thatcher
VtS killerbee
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 202
Thatcher is a jewel in the roughThatcher is a jewel in the roughThatcher is a jewel in the rough
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBGood View Post
The anti-apprime block originally started when killerbee pmed me on the 8th of this month and said that although EC would be willing to join a block he wasn't interested in starting it.
out of historical accuracy i think JBG gives me too much credit, i had approached tags to encourage them to build anti fr/de and put priority on defending apprime incs to stop a roid gap growing.

JBG was one of the people i PMed, his response was to suggest a block and did the leg work. unknown to me practically every tag had approached another to see who wanted to hit apprime (they didnt have many friends at the point), i personally didnt think nd/'guins or ct had the desire to take on apprime at that point but i was wrong.
__________________
ReBorn DC, Instinct, Silver DC, Legion
TGV, xVx, Jenova BC, Vision BC, ASS BC

Easy Company - Founder

"Train Hard, Fight Easy"
Thatcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 27 Jul 2009, 17:02   #46
JonnyBGood
Banned
 
JonnyBGood's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
Posts: 19,441
JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.JonnyBGood has ascended to a higher existance and no longer needs rep points to prove the size of his e-penis.
Re: Ascrime

I don't want to go into into a patrikc level pedantry fest but just in general if you finish a sentence with "is of course ridiculous" and then straight afterwards say "right?" then it actually sounds like you're questioning the validity of your own conclusion. Like some sort of conspiracy theorist (zing) would say "of course it's ridiculous to imagine that the US government is participating in some sort of cover-up. Right?" And then you'd have to wade through fifteen pages of cringing insanity.

Just so this post isn't a completely pointless excursion into tedious linguistic nuances if CT, or anyone wants to win Planetarion people need to make a serious effort not to crash their fleets. Having the top two bashed planets on sandmans for a total of -2.3 mil value is unbelievable. That's all the value generated by the roid gap between apprime and CT for at least three days. Those two individuals, for whatever reasons, basically threw away 3 days worth of work by your entire alliance. That kind of shit used to literally sicken me when I'd see it in my own alliance.
__________________
Some might ask what good is life without purpose but I'm anticipating a good lunch.
JonnyBGood is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 27 Jul 2009, 21:38   #47
Machado
Seraphim
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 196
Machado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the roughMachado is a jewel in the rough
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBGood View Post
I don't want to go into into a patrikc level pedantry fest but just in general if you finish a sentence with "is of course ridiculous" and then straight afterwards say "right?" then it actually sounds like you're questioning the validity of your own conclusion.
Well yes, its questioning the "which is also ridiculous" part, so that it's a rhetorical question which, well, questions the previous statement, which in turn is also questioning the statement before that. Oi, still with me? I'm almost confusing myself here... But in short: yes, questioning the validity of my statement was exactly what that "Right?" was supposed to achieve

And yes those crashes made me cringe. I suppose it happens.
__________________
Seraphim
Machado is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 1 Aug 2009, 00:45   #48
[DDK]gm
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 898
[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future[DDK]gm has a brilliant future
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBGood View Post
Just so this post isn't a completely pointless excursion into tedious linguistic nuances if CT, or anyone wants to win Planetarion people need to make a serious effort not to crash their fleets. Having the top two bashed planets on sandmans for a total of -2.3 mil value is unbelievable. That's all the value generated by the roid gap between apprime and CT for at least three days. Those two individuals, for whatever reasons, basically threw away 3 days worth of work by your entire alliance. That kind of shit used to literally sicken me when I'd see it in my own alliance.

Doesnt it just!! utter stupidity that undoes weeks of work. would kick them but then the scoring system in PA is that retarded that you cant afford to kick planets, they just go inactive. think we had a few more today.
__________________
R4-5 DDK
R6 Vanx
R7-R10 FAnG
R10 Eclipse
R10.5-R13 FAnG
R20-23 CT
R23 (CT BG) ToF
R24-R82... CT
[DDK]gm is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 1 Aug 2009, 10:43   #49
_Kila_
break it down!
 
_Kila_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,087
_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society_Kila_ is a pillar of this Internet society
Re: Ascrime

Quote:
Originally Posted by [DDK]gm View Post
Doesnt it just!! utter stupidity that undoes weeks of work. would kick them but then the scoring system in PA is that retarded that you cant afford to kick planets, they just go inactive. think we had a few more today.
If you don't kick them it gives everyone else the impression that it's acceptable.
__________________
I put the sex in dyslexia!
_Kila_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 1 Aug 2009, 03:43   #50
HaNzI
Apprime Troll HC
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 857
HaNzI has a spectacular aura aboutHaNzI has a spectacular aura aboutHaNzI has a spectacular aura about
Re: Ascrime

you had another one this tick

Last edited by Mzyxptlk; 1 Aug 2009 at 13:15. Reason: and I'm sure people can find it for themselves
HaNzI is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:58.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2002 - 2018