Galaxy Researching

[kingzzz]

This is a good idea as it gives ministers more purpose in PA. Give researches that helps the whole gal and can be initiated when all the ministers vote for them. dont have to be anything drastic but simple researches. a few researches that could be put in is:
-lower cost when trading fund with uni eg 20% instead of 25%
-make the fund grow buy 10k each a day (something reasonable but not so it can be abused)
-everyone ingal gets 1% bonus to mining (something reasonable but not so it can be abused)
-cheaper scans (say reduce cost of all scans done by gal member by a %)
-lottery, donates resources to a person ingal once every few days eg 1mill of each (doesnt come from fund)
-more salvage 20% attackers 25% defenders ( for landing in that particular gal only)
-cheaper exiling prices (when exiling using fund money)

ofcourse u name the invidual researches somehing suitable.
make the researches take heaps of time like 100-200 ticks or so, and u can on some of those researches have a next branch to increase the benefit again.

[furball]

So you're making the better galaxies ever better, and disadvantaging weaker (less active) galaxies. Way to go.

[noah02]

Remember when the galaxy had a kinda extra tick to attack or something if they donated so much to the fund lol.
Damn there was some crazy ideas back then

[kingzzz]

like i said the ienhancements dont have to high but at least some...

[jupp]

well things like this "jumpgate" that saved certain amount of Eonium into another galaxy for 72 hrs were not that bad at all from the idea. of course you cannot transfer it to curent PA.

but in the end i agree with furball, i dont really see options that would be "fair"

[kingzzz]

war aint fair, u in a better galaxy then u do better, this might encourage more people to try to play this game actively creating a more competive universe. i mean fs if u want a fair game u might as well have one race with 1 ship so everybody is on equal grounds

[Ron7684]

i think its a good idea, PA gets a bit boring and repetetive at times. Log on, launch. Log on, jumpgate. Start research or construction. Personally, the more elements to the game, the more fun itd be. And noah, wasnt it like a galaxy hypergate or something. the whole gal got eta-1 i think. yup, crazy ideas.

As for the suggestions, i think they're pretty good, but maybe things that actually benefit the whole gal as apart to planet things (cheaper scans, lottery, etc.). cheaper exiles are good, the -1 eta would be nice. Increasing the max fund capacity (as a regular constant research 1 mil, 2 mil, 3 mil, 5 mil, 10 mil, etc.)

[noah02]

yeah think it was ron but i think it gave the gal like 5 ticks warning or something daft so when the number 1 gal was about to launch on you coz they could afford to then they would kindly let you know there coming hehe

[kingzzz]

well those ideas were just on the top of my head and i agree more things can be tweaked...
but for the -1 eta ingal def research, its a bit too extreme... cuz then it stuffs up news scans unless u make them show 3 ticks old instead of 4. and the scans thing dont benfit 1 player, iits suppose to reduce the cost of all scans my members in the gal by a % becuz u researched a "mega amp" or something

[Heartless]

I think with providing these boni, in a random galaxy universe we are currently facing, would actually increase the level of cooperation inside a galaxy again.

[jupp]

Originally Posted by kingzzz

war aint fair, u in a better galaxy then u do better, this might encourage more people to try to play this game actively creating a more competive universe. i mean fs if u want a fair game u might as well have one race with 1 ship so everybody is on equal grounds

Still there has to be found a balance between a game for top actives top10-top150 maybe and the rest. I hope everyone understands what i mean - obviously i dont say that everyone out top150 is inactive. I want to say that if you raise the excitement for the top players you will lower the chance for the less active to ever reach a higher rank . From gamedesign there are 2 options how to do this - either change the game dynamics that quickly the top players are unable to fight the lowers and make the universe "split" into good and bad (score wise) or the 2nd option to even the gap between good and bad out and bring some more balance into it - yes this might be less exciting but i dont want to know what happens if the top100 is unreachable for attacks from lower players. At the moment we have a system that servers both imo. It leaves space for fights among the bigs and encourages smaller players to team up if they want to take on someone bigger.

I dont think that we need more competition in PA, we have it more than enough - especially in the higher ranks. i think we should more concentrate on the team qualities inside the playerbase and encourage this.

Make galaxies more competitive - yes i am up for it - if it is done in the right way to get even the smaller players or new players into a more important role. Currently everyone tries to find a good position in the rankings by a good alliance but as galaxies like 6:10 show this round - real teamplay unleashes a mighty force inside the galaxy ! If everyone gets involved and motivated every player if new and green or veteran and experienced is motivated galaxies are far better / important than a good alliance.

So my vote goes pro galaxies - anti alliances ! if gal researches are 1 step into that direction : Try it out !

i might totally miss the point of this thread now but i just had to say this now

[Kal]

I am intrigued by the idea, though not the precise implementation...

[kingzzz]

I am intrigued by the idea, though not the precise implementation...

What do u mean? hard to code it into the game or just not sure what researches to give

[Ron7684]

Currently everyone tries to find a good position in the rankings by a good alliance but as galaxies like 6:10 show this round - real teamplay unleashes a mighty force inside the galaxy !

theat's cause they're already the same alliance.

Plus i dont think this will be one of those things that seperates the 'boys from the men' in PA. All galaxies have the chance to use them. the only problem with reducing travel time further i see is that when an eta 7 fi/co hostile shows up on the gal status at eta 6. Alliances cant defend them. And giving alliances an extra tick off makes travel times too short. Maybe add 1 to the base travel time so that when they get to full eta research (incl galaxy) its still 8/9/10.
As for the rest of the ideas, i think it would just be a cool feature to have. But dont go code something stupid like all the ministers have to click the research before it will start. Make it so that any one of the ministers or gc's can start a research. It may mean mistakes made, but its better than having a 5 mil gal not being able to start a research. this is based on the current minister situation, i believe the change was approved though. so forget that comment, but even if unpaid planets can become ministers, dont make it all 4. maybe the GC starts them and any minister can agree. That way in extreme circumstances the GC can change his ministers to get a research started

[kingzzz]

the only problem with reducing travel time further i see is that when an eta 7 fi/co hostile shows up on the gal status at eta 6. Alliances cant defend them. And giving alliances an extra tick off makes travel times too short.

i think they meant u can defend ingal with eta 4. not give u -1 eta when attacking. this sticks witht he whole gal research thing

[Ron7684]

both can be proposed kingzzz, but like stated above. with news scans at a 4 tick delay. That could pose a problem for some people

[kingzzz]

or it could me made that there is only max of -3 eta research and the last -1 comes from gal...

[Ron7684]

Originally Posted by kingzzz

or it could me made that there is only max of -3 eta research and the last -1 comes from gal...

idd, thats a good idea. doesnt change the workings of the game and makes galaxy cooperation a must as the norm for alliances would be -4 eta. Perhaps when the fund has the required amount (4 mil each res?) the gc and 1 minister will perform a research that takes lets say 30 ticks and costs 4 mil each res.

If this is approved, it could all be included in one tree. And maybe have like 2 branches. one thats free and one that costs money. i cant think of researches on the spot but it would be cool to have some more galaxy cooperation in the game

[The Real Arfy]

Great, so now those players trying to get into an alliance wont be able to until their galaxy has gotten together because they can't defend those pesky eta 7 FI/CO incs...

[Heartless]

Make it constructive bonuses, not ones which are "have it or lose".

For instance, +25 wave amps for every planet in a galaxy once the galaxy researches "interstellar intelligence networks". ETA is something which should not be touched at all(!) by this due to the fact that any ETA bonus benefits most active players - and noone else.

[jian_yee]

i agree with heartless, eta outside the galaxy shud not be touched. However, giving extra eta for in gal ONLY would be nice

[noah02]

Originally Posted by jian_yee

i agree with heartless, eta outside the galaxy shud not be touched. However, giving extra eta for in gal ONLY would be nice

Only if you make in gal defence eta 6 should that be allowed.

[Heartless]

Originally Posted by jian_yee

i agree with heartless, eta outside the galaxy shud not be touched. However, giving extra eta for in gal ONLY would be nice

I disagree (not just with you, with Noah as well).

If you change ingal def eta to 4 then it effectively renders news scans worthless => every new player that does not have jgp's but news scans is therefore bound to crash into ingal def and lose his fleet => demotivation => player most likely leaves.

Raising it to eta 6 just so you can such a research is also unbeautiful as it largely decreases the time a new player has to contact his galaxy in case of incoming.

Don't touch the ETA. It's just like those overburn defense / attack thingies that were there for a round or two.

[noah02]

Originally Posted by Heartless

I disagree (not just with you, with Noah as well).

If you change ingal def eta to 4 then it effectively renders news scans worthless => every new player that does not have jgp's but news scans is therefore bound to crash into ingal def and lose his fleet => demotivation => player most likely leaves.

Raising it to eta 6 just so you can such a research is also unbeautiful as it largely decreases the time a new player has to contact his galaxy in case of incoming.

Don't touch the ETA. It's just like those overburn defense / attack thingies that were there for a round or two.

I just wanted in gal defence on eta 6 tbh and buddypack on eta 5.
I dont agree with any sort of gal researching just because there is the bigger gals and smaller gals and no matter what bigger gals are always going to benefit more from gal researching more than the smaller ones.
Bigger gals are bigger coz they know how to play the game and can adapt.
Smaller gals are smaller because they are learning and trying not to get bashed everyday.

[kingzzz]

ok we seem to have been sidetracked by this eta business... i never suggested this in my first idea post becasue i personally thouht it was too drastic and should not be touched. just to make clear of my views

[kingzzz]

also i like to say that galaxy researching using money form the fund (pointed out by ron7684) is another great way to implement the whole thing. this creates another use for the fund and makes 'donating' more worthwhile espiecially for the bigger players

[noah02]

Originally Posted by kingzzz

espiecially for the bigger players

Read it again and again and again and you will see why its a bad idea when you say what about the smaller newer players.

[Ron7684]

noah, we dont want to put away the smaller players. PA just needs anything new to spice it up a bit

[noah02]

Originally Posted by Ron7684

noah, we dont want to put away the smaller players. PA just needs anything new to spice it up a bit

I am not saying you are wanting to put the smaller players away.
I am saying the idea is bad coz new ppl will not have the same advantage as veterans.
Ppl who play the game now are excellent at it now and anything new which just be a bonus.
Newbies dont know how to play and wont have a clue what there doing so will be a bonus when they actually work out there isnt a search for roids button.

[kingzzz]

so what u are sying is to make pa so uncomplicated and easy that everyone can get it at a blink of an instant. so that everyone is not disadvantaged. i mean common, if players wont get how this researching stuff works they never gona know how to play pa properly, this is dead simple

[Ron7684]

Originally Posted by noah02

I am not saying you are wanting to put the smaller players away.
I am saying the idea is bad coz new ppl will not have the same advantage as veterans.
Ppl who play the game now are excellent at it now and anything new which just be a bonus.
Newbies dont know how to play and wont have a clue what there doing so will be a bonus when they actually work out there isnt a search for roids button.

Researches are started by GC and ministers. Most of the time, if they're smart enough to vote for themselves, they know how to start researches

[kingzzz]

Researches are started by GC and ministers. Most of the time, if they're smart enough to vote for themselves, they know how to start researches

Exactly.

[kingzzz]

I am not saying you are wanting to put the smaller players away.
I am saying the idea is bad coz new ppl will not have the same advantage as veterans.
Ppl who play the game now are excellent at it now and anything new which just be a bonus.
Newbies dont know how to play and wont have a clue what there doing so will be a bonus when they actually work out there isnt a search for roids button.

from this you are obviously suggesting any new changes to pa will benefit the veterans as they are more 'pro'. therefore u are objecting to any new advances in the game such as stats changes tweaks... anything because they are changes too. and if we all have it ur way pa will become boring and looses its dwindling player base

[Ron7684]

Originally Posted by kingzzz

from this you are obviously suggesting any new changes to pa will benefit the veterans as they are more 'pro'. therefore u are objecting to any new advances in the game such as stats changes tweaks... anything because they are changes too. and if we all have it ur way pa will become boring and looses its dwindling player base

idd, its already getting lower as it is. If changes dont come, it gets boring. Ive played 1 round and theres no way i can play the same race again. Too repetitive, pa needs some new action

[Scorpio]

just bring back the galactic fleet!