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10 Jul 2007, 12:08
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Good Son
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Finland
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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I actually remember Red- wasnt he in that UNHOLY alliance?
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I am very convinced that Red- and TheWanderer are the same person.
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11 Jul 2007, 18:16
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#152
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
The whole concept of scanning is utterly stupid anyway. It has been for rounds.
Why should people need others to do their scans for them? It just gives larger alliances a bigger advantage over smaller ones. All scans should be available to all players from tick 1, yet the cost of the scans should increase/decrease depending on the number of amps you build (and maybe your relative size).
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This is the long and short of the scan issue really. I cant understand why people don't find the very existence of scan planets ridiculous and an indication that the game mechanics are badly designed. Everyone should be able to scan for themselves with constructions/roids or whatever only moderating that ability within certain limits that encourage people to cooperate but do not make it necessary for a group of players to find a friend who will run a specialized planet for them just so they can play the game properly.
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11 Jul 2007, 20:58
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#153
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Alive and kicking
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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Originally Posted by K-W
...Everyone should be able to scan for themselves with constructions/roids or whatever only moderating that ability within certain limits that encourage people to cooperate but do not make it necessary for a group of players to find a friend who will run a specialized planet for them just so they can play the game properly.
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Agreed.
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11 Jul 2007, 21:26
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#154
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
I dont.
Whats interessting, to me, is more diversity in the way you can play.
Some are scanners, some defenders, some offenders and the possibility of people specialising and still having to work together to become better is what i really prefer.
So i dont think scans should be for everyone - Some people chose to help others by beeing scanners, while others in return then donate resources to them or in other ways does thier parts.
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11 Jul 2007, 21:47
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
You can hardly be successful in the game as a dedicated scanner. Some people should always be there and be willing to sacrifice their round for an alliance to have an efficient scanner - while being very much active, and get nothing in return (in terms of ingame benefits, of course).
That is not a good thing, it has nothing to do with "diversity", as long as being a specialized scanner planet doesn't get some significant ingame advantages. And it would be a much better idea to just make scans widely available, and create variety and specialization roles in a different way.
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11 Jul 2007, 22:01
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
Slightly offtopic, but in reply to Talin: personally I wouldn't mind to see scanning become a bit (keyword) more profitable in future rounds.
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11 Jul 2007, 22:06
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
If its a scanner a defender or an attacker everyone contributes to an alliance and is a part of it beeing successfull. Everyone plays thier role.
If pa was just about having an atk fleet and launch there would be even less in beeing top50 then there is now.
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11 Jul 2007, 22:23
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#158
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: A Persistant Universe
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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Originally Posted by Red-
If its a scanner a defender or an attacker everyone contributes to an alliance and is a part of it beeing successfull. Everyone plays thier role.
If pa was just about having an atk fleet and launch there would be even less in beeing top50 then there is now.
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There is no such thing as a defender or an attacker, and the choice to use your ships in defense and attacks (most players do both you know) is completely unrelated to scanning.
I would love it if scanning was like attacking and defending, something that any planet could choose to do without having to do a completely different set of research and constructions guaranteeing that they cannot keep up with other planets.
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11 Jul 2007, 22:40
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
We have members that primarily defend trough the round. And we have members that primarily attack. And we have members that are scanners.
They all are important.
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11 Jul 2007, 22:58
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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We have members that primarily defend trough the round. And we have members that primarily attack.
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The key question there is, who are "you"? Because "we" certainly don't have attackers and defenders as specialized roles. In fact, I'm pretty sure "specialized defenders" could somehow fall under the support planet rule, be it in tag or not.
Playing Planetarion involves doing both attacking and defending, in a balanced measure. It should also involve doing your own scans. Or alternatively, scanning being more beneficial ingame, although that would be somewhat harder to make work.
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11 Jul 2007, 23:19
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 846
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
dedicated def whores intag are more support than an out of tag scanner for an allie
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11 Jul 2007, 23:24
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: A Persistant Universe
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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Originally Posted by Red-
We have members that primarily defend trough the round. And we have members that primarily attack. And we have members that are scanners.
They all are important.
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Scanning is not like attacking and defending, which are different things you can do with the same research and constructions. That is not the same thing as being a scan planet.
Scanning is not just something you can choose to do with your fleet, it is boring WORK that some people are forced to do by bad game design that makes it impossible to be a good scanner and have a good planet at the same time.
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11 Jul 2007, 23:35
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
Reliaint information is critical for an alliance and therefore scanners are very important. So i dont find it boring work i find it beeing an essentiel part of what the cooperation within an alliance is all about.
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11 Jul 2007, 23:35
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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Originally Posted by Talin
In fact, I'm pretty sure "specialized defenders" could somehow fall under the support planet rule, be it in tag or not.
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Ofcause it woulndt...
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11 Jul 2007, 23:44
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
Actually if you read the rules galaxies/alliances aren't mentioned as acceptable circumstances for the existence of an "effective" support planet.
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11 Jul 2007, 23:57
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
And then we are back at the semantics on EULA exploitation again.
Gotta be an expensive lawyer bill to write an EULA that will cover it all for next round, wonder if the price is going up on playing PA.
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11 Jul 2007, 23:58
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Location: Further to the right
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
You've just started begging the question here really.
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12 Jul 2007, 00:10
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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And then we are back at the semantics on EULA exploitation again.
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So let me guess, anyone who doesn't read and understand the EULA in the same way that you do is actually trying to find exploits and destroy Planetarion? Brilliant.
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12 Jul 2007, 00:38
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#169
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: A Persistant Universe
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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Originally Posted by Red-
Reliaint information is critical for an alliance and therefore scanners are very important. So i dont find it boring work i find it beeing an essentiel part of what the cooperation within an alliance is all about.
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If you don't find typing coordinates into the scan page and cutting and pasting scan urls all day long boring there is something wrong with you. Just because it is essential does not mean it is fun, just ask a sanitation worker.
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12 Jul 2007, 00:48
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#170
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
I like it.
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12 Jul 2007, 11:58
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#171
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Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 481
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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I like it.
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but you are *scendancy ... they are all very weird
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15 Jul 2007, 20:45
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#172
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This Space for Rent
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 583
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Re: Is scanning for someone unfair?
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Actually if you read the rules galaxies/alliances aren't mentioned as acceptable circumstances for the existence of an "effective" support planet.
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well, they are - per a multihunter last round. (mentioned this in one my mosts somewhere some weeks ago). you can make a 70 person ally with 69 dedicated defenders and one 'real' planet and its completely legal because they're "in tag".
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