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Unread 16 Mar 2007, 17:35   #1
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LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Detiny mail to planets below alliance tag limit -

''are you in any alliance mate?
have you joineed an alliance this round so far?
if the answer to those questions is no then please apply to join Destiny alliance and we will accept you and train you for next round fighting with us!

go go go asap!

when u apply remember to say that 10 9 13 sent you and that you havent been in a tag before''


Nice tactic destiny looks like you deserve to win
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

I didn't get an invitation
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

awsome move by destiny. lol
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Its called manipulating the game for ur own gain, people have been working out ways to do so for rounds, and its not like as if they are gonna sack them off next round, Destiny are taking lower quality players who will get better, which will only be good for the game. Peoples hate for Destiny is awesome!
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

It's not traditional to try to recruit every and any 1-1.2mil unallied player on the last day of a round.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

ofcourse not, because membercount rules havent always been the same
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

the spots were open, they always have been, we didnt kick people for them, therefor they are free for the taking.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

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Nice tactic destiny looks like you deserve to win
as if any ally deserves the win this round
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

lol, destiny recruits ppl to end #1?
ok, fair,
but,
complete strangers?

thats pathetic
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

yes we recruited people to fill our tag. and why are u crying Remy? is it an "unfair benefit"!?!
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wish it worked
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

well ct prlly did same with 2 dudes too
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Mass-mailing like this sounds like abuse (spam) and should (guess it is?) be a bannable offense.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

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Mass-mailing like this sounds like abuse (spam) and should (guess it is?) be a bannable offense.
They just send you a warning, saying don't do that it's annoying. At least that's what one of my old recruiters said they did when he did that one round.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

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Mass-mailing like this sounds like abuse (spam) and should (guess it is?) be a bannable offense.
there is a difference between sending recruiting mails to specific planets and sending real spam to everyone in the universe like:

i can sell you cialis, viagra, etc, just 10 $ per bottle
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Unread 17 Mar 2007, 15:20   #19
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there is a difference between sending recruiting mails to specific planets and sending real spam to everyone in the universe like:

i can sell you cialis, viagra, etc, just 10 $ per bottle
"Real spam"? The word "spam" itself has nothing to do with wanting to sell stuff, but mailing unwanted, unsolicited mail. Unless these people wanted to be contacted by Destiny, it's fair to conclude it's spam.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

how is it spamming?
Alliance limit is 70 so free spots are there to be filled.

A mail asking if a planet wants to join an alliance is not spam it is part of how people are recuited into alliances. If Pa Team didnt want people mailing about recruiting alliances then they wouldnt have included a mail feature in the first place.

Spam is abusive/advertising mail that is of no relation to game.
Mails asking playerrs to join an alliance are perfectly legal imho
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Spam is abusive/advertising mail that is of no relation to game.
Mails asking playerrs to join an alliance are perfectly legal imho
Spam has nothing to do with being abusive, advertising or in relevance to the game. Spam is mails (or whatever) that is unwanted or unasked for, and I highly doubt all of the planets had agreed to be contacted like this

Of course, such spam can be perfectly legal according to the rules, but in my opinion it's wrong to ask people to join for the sole purpose of boosting score and maybe winning.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Yea but you could add them to your memberbase for next round. Suppose its making the best oppertunity out a situation but mass mailing people below alliance tag limit (and some above LOL) isnt the right way to go about it.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

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i can sell you cialis, viagra, etc, just 10 $ per bottle

You get them mails too eh?
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You get them mails too eh?
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

I hear you only get them if you have a small penis
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

If it helped Destiny secure their rank or an increase in alliance rank then who gives a fruit? This is an internet game chums so little things like that don't matter a great deal.

But tbh they should be looking for those with small penises to change that, train them, teach them then pay for the surgery.

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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

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Spam has nothing to do with being abusive, advertising or in relevance to the game. Spam is mails (or whatever) that is unwanted or unasked for, and I highly doubt all of the planets had agreed to be contacted like this


It was that unwanted that people said yes ?
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It was that unwanted that people said yes ?
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Enough to fill out to 70 so that was all that was needed.
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In other words; no.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

could you pls stop beeing so stubborn Nadar.

it's not like deleting that 1 unwanted mail did hurt anyone...
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

heh

It has nothing to do with being stubborn, but I guess you don't understand that.

Spam mail has never been OK and never will be OK, whether it's 1 or 100. It certainly isn't the right way to go about it in order to recruit people.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

There's certainly classier ways of doing things. I think it smacks of desperation, to be honest, but it's not illegal and as has already been said, it worked.

The problem facing alliances now is that only a planet's score gained outside of tag counts when joining a new alliance counts - so recruiting players who have chosen to leave other alliances isn't possible in the last few days of the round anymore. This type of mail does make logical sense, although if PA Team had just banned recruiting in the last week of the round it'd make far more sense.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Electronic junk mail or junk newsgroup postings. Some people define spam even more generally as any unsolicited e-mail. However, if a long-lost brother finds your e-mail address and sends you a message, this could hardly be called spam, even though it's unsolicited. Real spam is generally e-mail advertising for some product sent to a mailing list or newsgroup.

taken from: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/s/spam.html

in your eyes it might have been spam Nadar, but if you only use "unsolicited" as qualification for spam; then i am sure that 80% of the players did send SPAM mails this round. even i sent ~5 of them as i mailed ppl that clearly didn't ask me to. (for example convos with attackers of mine, and guess what, none of them complained or called me spammer.)

i would like to bring your attention especially to this sentence: Real spam is generally e-mail advertising for some product sent to a mailing list or newsgroup.

lemme quote you now: "Real spam"? The word "spam" itself has nothing to do with wanting to sell stuff, but mailing unwanted, unsolicited mail.

that's why i called you stubborn; u kept screaming: "unsolicited" without considering that not everyone might define SPAM as strict as you do.
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Real spam is generally e-mail advertising for some product sent to a mailing list or newsgroup.
It's funny that you mention it as that's exactly what you did; advertised your alliance.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

errrr, no

1st) we didn't send it to a mailing list; we sent it to selected planets

2nd) we didn't sell anything, we didn't ask for money in exchange to join, we didn't advertise, we asked ppl if they were interested to join which is perfectly valid. there are many players who don't use IRC, there are many players who don't check the alliance recruitment forum. ingame mailing is the only way to contact those players.

3rd) an alliance in a browser game is hardly a product

4th) keep your invalid theories coming, i will happily analyze all the errors in your sentences and show you how flawed your logic is
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errrr, no

1st) we didn't send it to a mailing list; we sent it to selected planets

2nd) we didn't sell anything, we didn't ask for money in exchange to join, we didn't advertise, we asked ppl if they were interested to join which is perfectly valid. there are many players who don't use IRC, there are many players who don't check the alliance recruitment forum. ingame mailing is the only way to contact those players.

3rd) an alliance in a browser game is hardly a product

4th) keep your invalid theories coming, i will happily analyze all the errors in your sentences and show you how flawed your logic is
1) Doesn't have to be a mailing list. Your "selected planets" might as well be renamed to random planets as you have no way of knowing for sure if a planet is in an alliance or not (unless you got access to tools others don't).

2) Spam mail doesn't have to be about selling, in case you didn't know. Advertise/promote/ask, call it whatever you want, it's still the same. All recruitment threads on the AR-forum in example, they're all advertisements.

3) A product isn't necessarily physical, it can just as easily be virtual, like an alliance. But that has nothing to do with anything, it's just non-sense you added to it all.

4) My theories are only invalid if you didn't do what the OP suggested. How can my logic possible be flawed? To me (like I said in my first post) this sounds like spam. It doesn't actually have to be spam to others if they wanted this e-mail. Let's pull out the wiki definition: "E-mail spam is a subset of spam that involves sending nearly identical messages to numerous recipients by e-mail. Most definitions of spam are based on the e-mail being Unsolicited Bulk E-mail (UBE). That is, spam is e-mail that is both unsolicited by the recipients and there are many substantively similar e-mails being sent. Spam is usually also unwanted, commercial and sent by automated means and some definitions include those aspects."

I wouldn't want people to mail me and ask me to join an alliance, thus, by definition, it'd be spam. Billy Bob might be looking for an alliance and wouldn't mind you mailing him, thus to him it wouldn't be spam. How do you justify mailing random people when you're not sure who wants it though?

This issue isn't really about what's spam or not though, but that you tried (according to OP) to get extra score and win by recruiting. Hope PA Team makes it impossible for alliances to recruit one week before round end (or make those who joins' score not counting in the alliance score).
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"Real spam"? The word "spam" itself has nothing to do with wanting to sell stuff, but mailing unwanted, unsolicited mail. Unless these people wanted to be contacted by Destiny, it's fair to conclude it's spam.
Do you live behind the moon or what?

Since when do people need to consult their mail recipients before sending them a mail!? you try to make a mountain out of a molehill dude. No Offence but thats pathetic.
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Since when do people need to consult their mail recipients before sending them a mail!? you try to make a mountain out of a molehill dude. No Offence but thats pathetic.
I didn't say they should consult the recipients, but I believe they shouldn't use the mail-system like this. Imagine if every alliance did it, your inbox would look like an inverted arsehole. I didn't make a mountain out of anything, it's spam to some people no matter what you say and some people didn't understand that (like Almeida who thought spam was about selling viagara).

If you think it's pathetic that people might feel annoyed by such mails, you should look at your own alliance who tried recruiting themselves to #1. What's more pathetic?

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Yes, it's gone way out of what the main "problem" were.
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Unless these people wanted to be contacted by Destiny, it's fair to conclude it's spam.

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If you think it's pathetic that people might feel annoyed by such mails, you should look at your own alliance who tried recruiting themselves to #1. What's more pathetic?
Both Conspiracy/Destiny added Players last minute to tag to have the maximum score addition in the end so you could say both tried to win by recruiting. I dont see any difference there.

This thread is a joke as a whole. You say its offtopic but the main discussion is about random mails which YOU categorize as spam.

Its not against the rules.
Its not Spam as such.

This is just another random bitching thread we see very often on pa forums these days (see Forest Propaganda in other threads). I'm generally just reading the pa forums but crap like this makes me comment and I hope this thread comes to an end now - it would be appreciated at least.
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Both Conspiracy/Destiny added Players last minute to tag to have the maximum score addition in the end so you could say both tried to win by recruiting. I dont see any difference there.
Hence recruitment should be closed for all alliances in the last week (like furball suggested) or the score of those who joins in the last week shouldn't count in the alliance score.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

What in the name of god does spam have to do with this thread? Talk about off topic.

The thread was merely a comment about how Destiny tried to fill their tag in a moral sense. Nobody said or implied it was wrong/against the rules, just not in the spirit of the alliance system (i.e. the score gain did not represent any score that was in any sense associated with Destiny)
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What in the name of god does spam have to do with this thread? Talk about off topic.

The thread was merely a comment about how Destiny tried to fill their tag in a moral sense. Nobody said or implied it was wrong/against the rules, just not in the spirit of the alliance system (i.e. the score gain did not represent any score that was in any sense associated with Destiny)
How Destiny tried to fill their tag?

Allegedly by mass mail which can potentially be spamming, I suspect. I wouldn't rule out that discussion as offtopic, as it's relating to what alliances are doing, how you define that activity and whether it is acceptable.
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How Destiny tried to fill their tag?

Allegedly by mass mail which can potentially be spamming, I suspect. I wouldn't rule out that discussion as offtopic, as it's relating to what alliances are doing, how you define that activity and whether it is acceptable.
hmm so ur definition of mass mail is ~30 mails sent to planets #10 - 15 in gals and between 900k and 1.1 mil score who were a pretty high chance pleased of an offer to help out and join a new community.

Well if thats your idea of mass then i hate too see your definition of 10million mails that flood the internet every day

Oh and i dont see why every one is trying to slate destiny for recruiting in last week considering more than half of the top 10 alliances did.
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Well if thats your idea of mass then i hate too see your definition of 10million mails that flood the internet every day


Earth has over 6bln people living on it, Planetarion has 2-3000 people playing it.

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Stop being pedantics about the definition of the word "spam" and get to the damn point. Christ.
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Slightly desperate action? I guess you could say that :P
low? not at all.
Spam? Not even close
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If I was a HC of an alliance and I needed say 10 members to join me on the last day of the round to take a win for my alliance.

I wouldn't do it.

If my alliance couldn't win it by the last day, and the other alliance were in first and ahead then they deserve it.

To try and change that would be stupid, in my eyes.

It's amazing how serious people take this game sometimes.
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