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Unread 20 Apr 2005, 23:49   #1
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

Stereo with line out (headphone) and a record player, to computer with a line in (microphone) and record using something that will record sound (sound recorder?) and then encode with your program of choice (cdex/fubar etc can all do this)
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

Sound recorder is a less than ideal tool for the job, given that when I last used it it stopped every 30s.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

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It does.

:eng101: Before you record your item, make sure you have a file of sufficient length to hold it, either by clicking record every time it stops on a blank recording, or opening up a really long one.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

Vinly has more spirit. It's a uniqe experience, that no 0's and 1's can replace.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

Audacity is a good and free sound-recording piece of software. I would reccomend it lots.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

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Vinly has more spirit. It's a uniqe experience, that no 0's and 1's can replace.
Listening to Digitally made music on Vinyl is silly. They are not replacing the 0's and 1's they are converting the digital music to analogue, whats the point.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000757040098/
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

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Listening to Digitally made music on Vinyl is silly. They are not replacing the 0's and 1's they are converting the digital music to analogue, whats the point.
regardless vinyl gets spirit in time. it changes ^_^
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

What, the music gets crackly and less audible?
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That's the dust that settles when you don't care for your records with a brush and firstborn child.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

Snurx, pure analog from start to finish is (very nearly, see below) the only circumstance under which vinyl sounds better than digital recording systems.
The reason for this is that it retains high harmonics/reflections/reverbs which CDA discards (CD sample rate is 41,000Hz giving a maximum recordable wavelength of 22,050Hz. However, you can't just slap raw digital audio onto a CD because you get a lot of distortion in the top 2000Hz range because of the higher waveforms that have been "chopped off" - so the top 2000Hz or so are attenuated to eliminate this (known as oversampling). This gives a more effective range of CD audio of 20 - 20,000Hz.

Now yes, technically, human hearing ends around the 20,000Hz mark but that's only an average.
Many people cannot hear the rangefinding clicks made by bats for example, but some including myself can - although this "extra" hearing range is often lost with age. And while you may not be able to directly hear many of the frequencies recorded to vinyl, objects in the room may well pick them up and generate harmonics at a lower frequency.

The digital equivilant of vinyl is Super Audio CD (SACD), which has a sample rate of 200,000Hz and a frequency response of 2 - 100,000Hz (vs. 20 - 20,000Hz offered by CD).
If a recording studio uses SACD certified digital equipment from start to finish, then and only then is it possible to preserve the original clarity of the audio and produce a vinyl product which is better than a CD produced from the same master. However, such equipment is very expensive, and it's about more than just the hardware. Any digital samples used must be recorded at 200,000Hz as well, any mixing software used must support it, etc etc.

Once you skip over the technicalities, the only difference is what audiophiles will call the slightly "warmer" sound of vinyl, which is simply the oddities in playback caused by the degredation of the track, dust, and varying qualities of the stylus and pick-up equipment.

Needless to say, you need to spend a lot of money on amps speakers before you can tell any appreciable difference between the two anyway.


As for vinyl -> MP3, in terms of sound quality you might as well go and buy the CD, as the first thing the MP3 codec does is cut out the extreme high and low frequencies in order to save space.
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As for vinyl -> MP3, in terms of sound quality you might as well go and buy the CD, as the first thing the MP3 codec does is cut out the extreme high and low frequencies in order to save space.
Much better to use FLAC then?
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Listening to Digitally made music on Vinyl is silly. They are not replacing the 0's and 1's they are converting the digital music to analogue, whats the point.
you're cool. new vinyl sounds so hollow and empty compared to stuff that was actually recorded analogly (not a word i know)
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There is no denying that picturediscs look the part, even if their sound quality is variable.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

My point is that putting on a vinly is so much better then putting on a mp3-cd. I don't care about sound quality (Or, I do, but not that much), but the thing you call "warmer sound" is great.
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Sound recorder is a less than ideal tool for the job, given that when I last used it it stopped every 30s.
- Record 30 seconds
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- Slow down track to 50%, bar says 120 seconds
- Slow down track to 50%, bar says 240 seconds
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I remember applying this trick back in the days when I got my first computer and I only had paint, notepad and soundrecorder to play with.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

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Snurx, pure analog from start to finish is (very nearly, see below) the only circumstance under which vinyl sounds better than digital recording systems.
The reason for this is that it retains high harmonics/reflections/reverbs which CDA discards (CD sample rate is 41,000Hz giving a maximum recordable wavelength of 22,050Hz. However, you can't just slap raw digital audio onto a CD because you get a lot of distortion in the top 2000Hz range because of the higher waveforms that have been "chopped off" - so the top 2000Hz or so are attenuated to eliminate this (known as oversampling). This gives a more effective range of CD audio of 20 - 20,000Hz.

Now yes, technically, human hearing ends around the 20,000Hz mark but that's only an average.
Many people cannot hear the rangefinding clicks made by bats for example, but some including myself can - although this "extra" hearing range is often lost with age. And while you may not be able to directly hear many of the frequencies recorded to vinyl, objects in the room may well pick them up and generate harmonics at a lower frequency.

The digital equivilant of vinyl is Super Audio CD (SACD), which has a sample rate of 200,000Hz and a frequency response of 2 - 100,000Hz (vs. 20 - 20,000Hz offered by CD).
If a recording studio uses SACD certified digital equipment from start to finish, then and only then is it possible to preserve the original clarity of the audio and produce a vinyl product which is better than a CD produced from the same master. However, such equipment is very expensive, and it's about more than just the hardware. Any digital samples used must be recorded at 200,000Hz as well, any mixing software used must support it, etc etc.

Once you skip over the technicalities, the only difference is what audiophiles will call the slightly "warmer" sound of vinyl, which is simply the oddities in playback caused by the degredation of the track, dust, and varying qualities of the stylus and pick-up equipment.

Needless to say, you need to spend a lot of money on amps speakers before you can tell any appreciable difference between the two anyway.


As for vinyl -> MP3, in terms of sound quality you might as well go and buy the CD, as the first thing the MP3 codec does is cut out the extreme high and low frequencies in order to save space.
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Re: vinyl -> mp3

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Originally Posted by Tomkat
What, the music gets crackly and less audible?
exactly. it gets spirit
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