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12 Apr 2005, 15:36
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Business Studies
Mickey Mouse subject?
Discuss.
Half the people at my uni seem to be doing it (i'm also including marketing and all that gubbins), plus the majority of all the Chinese students.
Actually, two things to discuss.
1) Is it a micky mouse subject?
2) Surely a job in such a field will lead to ultimate dissappointment when you realise all your intellilectual wealth is going to towards someone elses monetry wealth and a souless corporation?; and that profession isn't helping your happiness one iota. I am, of course, assuming that the money you may gain by studying this subject won't make you happy - if you dissagree - you are wrong.
Thanks.
Oh, and Richard Branson left school at 16 and he's probably the most successful British businessman in a very long time.
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12 Apr 2005, 15:40
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Re: Business Studies
'The first thing we'll do, let's kill all the Business students.'
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12 Apr 2005, 15:44
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Re: Business Studies
I am studying it and it is not totally Mickey Mouse, but some stuff is so easy, that if I knew I was going to study this I would've chosen a second study. Now I am just too lazy to do another....
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12 Apr 2005, 15:46
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Re: Business Studies
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I am studying it
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Why does this not surprise me.
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12 Apr 2005, 15:46
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Re: Business Studies
Because you assumed he did Business studies before he told you?
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12 Apr 2005, 16:08
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Re: Business Studies
I always considered Business Studies an easier version of Economics really. That may be slightly unfair as I never studied it but at A level our teacher sometimes give us the business studies papers to do as preperation for our exams as certain parts overlapped but even the sections that didn't we could nearly always answer well.
In my first year I also had a few modules overlap with the business studies students and they were definatly the ones that seemed the most pointless. From what I have seen of my friends work then who are doing that course fully as a degree not much seems to have changed this year for them either and it still seems like a really crap course.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:10
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Re: Business Studies
My brother did a degree in Business Administration, or dBA, or DO BUGGER ALL
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12 Apr 2005, 16:13
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Re: Business Studies
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Oh, and Richard Branson left school at 16 and he's probably the most successful British businessman in a very long time.
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Richard Branson is a shit example because he doesn't create good businesses, he creates a whole swamp of bad businesses and a pile of cash for himself.
Unless that's what you mean by "successful".
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12 Apr 2005, 16:14
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Re: Business Studies
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Unless that's what you mean by "successful".
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He has more money than us, Mark.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:17
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Re: Business Studies
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He has more money than us, Mark.
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Yeah, but we're both taller than him.
And my sum total of "things I had to do today" amounted to going out and buying a bin. Aside from that, I've read the online news, played FM2005, did some erging while watching B5 and am about to play Zelda III on my new tv.
Branson can go suck it.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:21
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Re: Business Studies
Today I've got up, listened to 'You and Yours', and walked to the computer lab and ate a bun.
I think that means I'm more successful than a millionaire tycoon.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:23
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Re: Business Studies
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I think that means I'm more successful than a millionaire tycoon.
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He tries too hard.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:25
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Re: Business Studies
its not a traditional subject like Law, medicine, history, chemistry, politics, psychology, philosophy, also most people who do it seem to have no clue about anything...
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12 Apr 2005, 16:26
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Re: Business Studies
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its not a traditional subject like Law, medicine, history, chemistry, politics, psychology, philosophy
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PSYCHOLOGY?
Also, you forgot the study of Literature.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:31
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Re: Business Studies
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PSYCHOLOGY?
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Freud was born in the 19th century.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:31
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Re: Business Studies
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its not a traditional subject like Law, medicine, history, chemistry, politics, psychology, philosophy, also most people who do it seem to have no clue about anything...
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Law - Worthwhile
Medicine - Worthwhile
History - Mickey Mouse
Chemistry - Worthwhile
Politics - Mickey Mouse
Psychology - Mickey Mouse
Philosophy - Mickey Mouse
Literature - Mickey Mouse
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12 Apr 2005, 16:33
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Re: Business Studies
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its not a traditional subject like Law, medicine, history, chemistry, politics, psychology, philosophy, also most people who do it seem to have no clue about anything...
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You also forgot physics.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:34
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Re: Business Studies
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its not a traditional subject like Law, medicine, history, chemistry, politics, psychology, philosophy, also most people who do it seem to have no clue about anything...
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and biology.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:34
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I dunno...
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Re: Business Studies
Why is it that Chinese students do seem to have monopolised the Business Studies departments?
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12 Apr 2005, 16:35
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Re: Business Studies
Yes it is a mickey mouse subject
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12 Apr 2005, 16:35
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Re: Business Studies
He forgot Mathematics too :(
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12 Apr 2005, 16:36
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Re: Business Studies
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Law - Worthwhile
Medicine - Worthwhile
History - Mickey Mouse
Chemistry - Worthwhile
Politics - Mickey Mouse
Psychology - Mickey Mouse
Philosophy - Mickey Mouse
Literature - Mickey Mouse
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You sound like you belong at a Polytech.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:37
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Re: Business Studies
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History - Mickey Mouse
Philosophy - Mickey Mouse
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What exactly is wrong with these two fellows?
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12 Apr 2005, 16:38
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Re: Business Studies
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He forgot Mathematics too
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And yet he includes psychology.
BURN HIM.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:39
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You sound like you belong at a [B[Polytech[/b].
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Strangely enough, I went to Coventry [b[Polytechnic[/b] and did Combined Engineering with French*
* Well I did for two years, after that I worked on French campsites getting drunk and shagging. Go me.
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Re: Business Studies
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What exactly is wrong with these two fellows?
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Well, history is borderline, but Philosophy?
Give me a break.
Your coursework this week is to go and think hard. Really hard. Then write down why your thinking is better than other people's thinking which is why you should have a degree in it.
MICKEY MOUSE
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Re: Business Studies
In my opinion, University is for learning and not thinly veiled apprenticeships, and it is one of my chief grievances with Tony Blair.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:46
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Re: Business Studies
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Well, history is borderline, but Philosophy?
Give me a break.
Your coursework this week is to go and think hard. Really hard. Then write down why your thinking is better than other people's thinking which is why you should have a degree in it.
MICKEY MOUSE
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Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
Those bastards, using "critical analysis" and "logic"!
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Re: Business Studies
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Originally Posted by Dead_Meat
Well, history is borderline, but Philosophy?
Give me a break.
Your coursework this week is to go and think hard. Really hard. Then write down why your thinking is better than other people's thinking which is why you should have a degree in it.
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youre probably correct, but you get as much out so i hear, as as much you put in, there is alot to learn in history, politics, philosophy, psychology etc etc so I hear
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Re: Business Studies
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In my opinion, University is for learning and not thinly veiled apprenticeships, and it is one of my chief grievances with Tony Blair.
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"Theology" is a thinly valied apprenticeship for the church, but I don't see you complaining at all about universities before, say, the middle of the 19th century.
Furthermore, the main problem that most people have with Blair's "50% in uni" policy is that it isn't a thinly veiled apprenticeship.
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Re: Business Studies
Anything that isn't a science and a traditional science at that is mickey mouse end of story.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:49
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Re: Business Studies
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Anything that isn't a science and a traditional science at that is mickey mouse end of story.
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The study and development of the philosophy of science isn't a science, yet the subjects you're talking about would be pretty screwed without it.
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Re: Business Studies
I had a course about business & management during my computer engineering study. It's all so logical.
Study project management instead, without the business side. It's much more interesting.
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Re: Business Studies
so what are the traditional subjects?
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Re: Business Studies
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Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
Those bastards, using "critical analysis" and "logic"!
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Sitting around arguing with each other for four years in an attempt to prove that your logic and reasoning is better than somone elses.
YES, I SHALL NOW GIVE YOU A HIGHLY PAID AND RESPONSIBLE POSITION IN MY COMPANY.
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Re: Business Studies
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so what are the traditional subjects?
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Theology and mathematics. Nothing else really existed until 150 years ago.
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Re: Business Studies
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Sitting around arguing with each other for four years in an attempt to prove that your logic and reasoning is better than somone elses.
YES, I SHALL NOW GIVE YOU A HIGHLY PAID AND RESPONSIBLE POSITION IN MY COMPANY.
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There's no room for critical thinking and analysis in this business!
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Re: Business Studies
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Theology and mathematics. Nothing else really existed until 150 years ago.
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Re: Business Studies
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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
Those bastards, using "critical analysis" and "logic"!
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Just go into the exam and write "I think, therefore I am" on every paper and you should pass philosophy. If you dont want to be screwed over for plagiarising Descartes add an "innit" at the end.
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12 Apr 2005, 16:53
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Re: Business Studies
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Just go into the exam and write "I think, therefore I am" on every paper and you should pass philosophy.
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"Should", maybe. "Will", definitely not.
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Re: Business Studies
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Sitting around arguing with each other for four years in an attempt to prove that your logic and reasoning is better than somone elses.
YES, I SHALL NOW GIVE YOU A HIGHLY PAID AND RESPONSIBLE POSITION IN MY COMPANY.
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(good) Programmers and software engineers would be much more qualified for that position. Their are trained to be logical. Their only drawback is that they talk too much techno-bable (sp?) for anyone on the workfloor to understand.
Business people are actually softwarepeople who can't make software but know how to talk slick.
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There's no room for critical thinking and analysis in this business!
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I'll take experience every time, thanks.
The logical choice based on the available facts may not always prove to be the most effective choice.
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I always considered Business Studies an easier version of Economics really.
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Re: Business Studies
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I'll take experience every time, thanks.
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You're creating a false dichotomy. Obviously someone experienced in the business would perform better (or at least there would be a trend showing this) than someone inexperienced, but the only person suggesting you put them high up straight away was you. Put business studies graduates in with a similar lack of training and they won't do very well either. Training would presumeably be given and, whilst it is true that the business studies students would have an initial advantage, it would be more difficult to examine where limitations exist because it's entirely possible that they've learnt what they've learnt by rote, and they may not be competent to expand their capacities further with a lack of a similar structure to that which they are familiar with. Furthermore, you're putting forward an interpretation of what a "philosophy degree" entails which is at odds with the known details of such a degree.
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The logical choice based on the available facts may not always prove to be the most effective choice.
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If it's not the most effective choice of those available, then it's not the most logical choice, is it? Going with hunches and the like isn't a particularly good business strategy.
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It depends if you have the experience to know what's effective or what you've read in a book says is effective.
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Re: Business Studies
I wish I'd done either Computing and Business or Computing and Management, I think they would have been more fun than computer science on it's own
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Degrees have become as common place as A-levels, or at least they will be in 10 years. You're building the idea of a degree up to being one of the highest academic achievements you can get, which it simply isn't anymore.
The reason a lot of people go to university is just because it's the natural progression. A lot of jobs want a degree, and don't care what that degree is in. I chose a Business and Management degree because I didn't know what to do, but I knew I wanted to go to university. Looking back, I should have done one in English or similar really.
The type of degree you do isn't important to most employers, it's the type you get, and how far you progress with it (Masters, or Doctorate).
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Re: Business Studies
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Why is it that Chinese students do seem to have monopolised the Business Studies departments?
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All the chinese students I know would actually like to be doing something else but their parents expect/demand them to do business. Probably to do with the Chinese econmic boom, and the fact your parents probably wouldnt be too chuffed if you travelled half way around the world, expected them to pay 8 grand a year on top of living expensives, and then studied Dance and Criminology.
Also, I know of noone who's actually passionate about business.
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The type of degree you do isn't important to most employers, it's the type you get, and how far you progress with it (Masters, or Doctorate).
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absolutely. get a First or a 2.1 or you have basically wasted 3years of your life. You get a similar set of 'skills' from most degrees.
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Re: Business Studies
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The type of degree you do isn't important to most employers, it's the type you get, and how far you progress with it (Masters, or Doctorate).
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LOOK AT ME, I'VE GOT A MASTERS IN BUSINESS AND A $125,000 DEBT, BUT HAVE ONLY EVER WORKED IN MICKEY D'S, CAN I HAVE A JOB NOW MR. BOSS-MAN PLEASE?
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