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Unread 4 Feb 2004, 13:32   #1
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Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

I used to believe I am kind a liberal minded, I thought I would have mercy with the sick and ill and find for a civilized solution. I used to believe I was that kind of person.

But nowadays I more and more tend to believe the best thing with such cases and a lot of other cases is execution. Just get rid of the imbeciles.
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But nowadays I more and more tend to believe the best thing with such cases and a lot of other cases is execution. Just get rid of the imbeciles.
I agree. I'm in favour of execution, for people who have idiotic "OMG animals are being hurt" type opinions.
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

I was waiting for you.

Please explain me your point of view on this.
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I agree. I'm in favour of execution, for people who have idiotic "OMG animals are being hurt" type opinions.
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

People are animals too!
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People are animals too!
Woah, how insightful Mr. Snurx. I hadn't considered that!!!!
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

Ah, but you see, as it isn't illegal there, they aren't doing anything wrong.

God bless the Swedes.
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

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Please explain me your point of view on this.
People should be able to **** plants, vegetables, dish clothes, blow up dolls or non-human animals. It's called freedom. We've done this discussion before though, and all generally settles around the idea of "suffering". You animal-rights people see an animal in pain, and presume this is equivalent to human suffering. Read the old Fox Hunting thread.

I'll try not to bore you all with my views anymore on that. Bestiality being illegal is a restriction on freedom, and I'm glad some countries are more enlightened than the UK.
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

you got to be kidding dude.

For you it would be completely acceptable when your neightbour buys a Bullterrier for the purpose of shagging it up the arse each night?
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Bestiality and homosexuality are obviously not the same, or similar.

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For you it would be completely acceptable when your neightbour buys a Bullterrier for the purpose of shagging it up the arse each night?
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come again Nodrog.
The logic here seems to be "both homosexuality and bestiality are legal, therefore they are equivalent". If theres an argument here that goes beyond this, I'm not sure what it is.
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Woah, how insightful Mr. Snurx. I hadn't considered that!!!!
I bet you eat meat, you facist!


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I bet you eat meat, you facist!
I do. It's often quite nice too.

Out of interest, are you for the abolition of pet ownership or for the legalisation of human slavery?
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I do. It's often quite nice too.

Out of interest, are you for the abolition of pet ownership or for the legalisation of human slavery?
The eating meat thing was my (lame) attempt at a joke :\

Neither. But then again, you can't own a pet, just as you can't own a piece of land or anything else that comes from nature, can you?
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

it depends; what is the difference between owning and possessing?
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what about 'taking care of' ?
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

I'd say that 'having' something is a statement about the expectation of being able to use the thing in the future, whereas saying someone 'owns' is a statement about whether you want them to able to use that thing without someone elses permission . Saying "you cant own pets" would just mean "I dont want people to be able to have full and unregulated use of animals", or something.
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

It's Sweden.

What DID you expect? :gollum:
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it depends; what is the difference between owning and possessing?
Possesion is more about direct control.

I may own a property, but I don't have possesion of it if tenants are in it - they do.

So ownership is more of a recognised right, but possesion is more of an actually existing situation. (It's more complicated than this obviously).

Clearly you can legally possess land (even if we're abolishing land ownership). The question is should you be able to legally possess (control) animals or humans?
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

I can't see how you can posess any living animal. You can take care of a animal, but you can't posses it in the same way as for example a boxer-shorts. Or, you should not be able to. Or something.
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So I dont possess an object unless I'm in the same room as it, or have it about my person? I think it makes more sense to say that someone possess an object during the time that they are actually using it, and they 'own' it if they should be allowed to use it without restriction (ie ownership is normative and possession is descriptive). If you want to say that people should be allowed to own (ie use without restriction) a knife but not a cat, it would be up to you to point out the relevant difference between the 2 objects.
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The Bible clearly condones ownership of both people and animals, but homosexuality and bestiality are immoral and should be punished by stoning.
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Where in the Bible is bestiality condemned?
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

One day I'll actually die of laughter when someone attempts to tell me during one of these endless debates that plants are people too cos they're alive, they reproduce, they respirate, they react to stimuli, they attempt to grow, they show signs of evolution, some of them can move in short-term situations and most of them can move in long-term situations. In conclusion


STOP EATING PLANTS AND WALKING ON GRASS YOU FASCISTS.


End of debate plz.
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Where in the Bible is bestiality condemned?

The bit after the righteous man leaves out his daughter to get raped?
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So I dont possess an object unless I'm in the same room as it, or have it about my person? I think it makes more sense to say that someone possess an object during the time that they are actually using it, and they 'own' it if they should be allowed to use it without restriction (ie ownership is normative and possession is descriptive). If you want to say that people should be allowed to own (ie use without restriction) a knife but not a cat, it would be up to you to point out the relevant difference between the 2 objects.
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

JBG:

I know a "fruitaner" or something like that. This person only eats fruits (or things) that eventually fall down anyways. Like apples.
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That's ****ing political correct
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You cant give away possessions that you arent using at a particular point in time because they wouldnt be your posessions if you werent using them.
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I know a "fruitaner" or something like that. This person only eats fruits (or things) that eventually fall down anyways. Like apples.
Nothing else.

That's ****ing political correct

How does he know they're only the ones that fall down? Does he pick them himself? If yes he actually must be gay. Plus he should try and care for them instead of eating them immediately and see if he can prolong their lives. Only then, when they're rotting, should he feel free to eat them.



PS He should also cry while he's eating them as this apple is giving it's life to keep him alive.
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It's a girl.

Well, i don't really know. Maybe she eats stuff that's eventually going to fall down, if not i guess she goes hungry most of the year. I don't know her too much, so i guess i don't know.

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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

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Unread 4 Feb 2004, 17:02   #46
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

I think the issue is that the animals are incapable of making a competent decision about whether to have sex with the person, not the diffenition of the financial ownership.
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Unread 4 Feb 2004, 17:07   #47
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

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Oh no! Bad men are raping their hands.


PS. http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

If I give my cat gin, does it become rape?
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Unread 4 Feb 2004, 17:13   #49
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

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Oh no! Bad men are raping their hands.


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That's a stupid comment.
If you accepted that you could say it is imposible to have consential sex as everytime men are raping their partner's vaginas (or whatever)
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Re: Animal sex and gay sex are the same in sweeden?

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If I give my cat gin, does it become rape?
If you force feed a human, is it rape?
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