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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 20:56   #1
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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 20:58   #2
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What days? You probably could sleep on our floor, so long as the psychotic South African currently stationed there pisses off. He's due to go Monday.
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What days? You probably could sleep on our floor, so long as the psychotic South African currently stationed there pisses off. He's due to go Monday.
Your flat seems kind of scary, arent you all goths/communists? :(

I'm not sure on the exact date, probably a week this Monday.
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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 20:59   #4
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What days? You probably could sleep on our floor, so long as the psychotic South African currently stationed there pisses off. He's due to go Monday.
do you live in a hostel or something?
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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 21:00   #5
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Your flat seems kind of scary, arent you all goths/communists?
Two communists, one computer programmer and one apathetic woman.
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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 21:04   #6
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Give that youre both a Marxist and a computer programmer, that could just mean "I live with my communist wife"...
i thought being communist and being apathetic were mutually exclusive
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i thought being communist and being apathetic were mutually exclusive
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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 21:06   #8
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"i just can't force myself to care about the exploitation of the proletariat anymore..."
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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 21:34   #10
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Unread 8 Aug 2003, 21:36   #11
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...walk into a bar. The first communist says, "Oi! I was told there'd be free love!". The second communist says "I was told there'd be free thought!". The computer programmer says, "Oi! I was told there'd be free software!". The apathetic woman looks at them and says, "I got what I wanted! I was told there'd be three losers."



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...walk into a bar. The first communist says, "Oi! I was told there'd be free love!". The second communist says "I was told there'd be free thought!". The computer programmer says, "Oi! I was told there'd be free software!". The apathetic woman looks at them and says, "I got what I wanted! I was told there'd be three losers."
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Your flat seems kind of scary, arent you all goths/communists?
I'm neither goth nor communist.

Possibly the exact opposite, but I'm not entirely sure what that would be....
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Possibly the exact opposite, but I'm not entirely sure what that would be....
You're a townie.
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So which one is the other communist?
He is.

I'm 'normal'
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too late, is that really his name?
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His SECRET is out!
His domain info gives his full name & address anyway for mailbomb purposes.

Oh, and I think he had his name in his PA planet...
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SbOlly's name is really Sebastian.
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...walk into a bar. The first communist says, "Oi! I was told there'd be free love!". The second communist says "I was told there'd be free thought!". The computer programmer says, "Oi! I was told there'd be free software!". The apathetic woman looks at them and says, "I got what I wanted! I was told there'd be three losers."
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Oh, and I think he had his name in his PA planet...
Yup, in R9.5 I was "Something Else".

Plus I've posted my real-name on these forums before, iirc.

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Me = marxist/anarchist Civil Servant
Not to put too fine a point on it, but being an anarchist Civil Servant strikes me as odd.
After all, arent you helping to perpetuate the current hierarchy by working for them?

Perhaps you should reinvent yourself as more of a syndicalist? Or perhaps even an anarcho-syndicalist if it is too big a step to take at once. You could claim to be working to transform the Civil Service into a unionistic institution from within etc etc...
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but being an anarchist Civil Servant strikes me as odd.
It's not like he even works in the postal service either is it now Comrade Toccata?
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Being a Marxist means recognising that there is a vicious class struggle between the porletariat and the bourgeoisie. As a member of the working class, I am forced to sell my labour to the bourgeoisie in order to get the necessities of life. The fact that I am forced to do this is indicative of the oppressive system we live in.

Being a communist doesn't pay well.

And yes thank you Dante, I'm sure Broomleigh Housing are doing their best for workers as well.

ive never got the class struggle thing, is it a struggle between classes, or a struggle for the prorelatians to become bourgeosie? If between classes do the proletarians want to devolve society? if a struggle to become bourgeosie why ape what you hate?speaking as a member (just) of the bourgeosie, what do you smelly people want? and why arent you clever enough to go get it?
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Being a Marxist means recognising that there is a vicious class struggle between the porletariat and the bourgeoisie. As a member of the working class, I am forced to sell my labour to the bourgeoisie in order to get the necessities of life. The fact that I am forced to do this is indicative of the oppressive system we live in.

Being a communist doesn't pay well.

And yes thank you Dante, I'm sure Broomleigh Housing are doing their best for workers as well.

The whole anarchist thing is a little more complicated, at the moment I would actually favour more government power if it took away from corporate power, as at least the Government is mildly accountable to the people, however my long term objectives would be the devolution of executive power to the lowest feasible level (not the same as NO Government)
Oh I know, you'll notice that I didnt comment on the Marxist bit just the anarchist.
Just as I know that anarchy isnt necessarily about having no executive at all (give me some credit please, I do actually have some education in this field ).

Which is why you should look into (anarcho-)syndicalism, especially in view of your apparent dislike for corporate influence.






PS I also find the mild-mannered receptionist bit hard to believe, as all the ones I know from personal experience have been utter psychotics, but I let it slip since there must always be atleast one exception....
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ive never got the class struggle thing, is it a struggle between classes, or a struggle for the prorelatians to become bourgeosie? If between classes do the proletarians want to devolve society? if a struggle to become bourgeosie why ape what you hate?speaking as a member (just) of the bourgeosie, what do you smelly people want? and why arent you clever enough to go get it?
It is a struggle over the possession of the means of production.

Possession of the means of production, and hence possession of the produced goods themselves, should be in the hands of the labourers who do the work according to marxism.

And since it did not just get handed over, this entailed a struggle which Marx and Engels (everyone always forgets Engels for some reason) dubbed the 'class struggle'.

And there it starts to get really muddy, since interpretation of what the class struggle should entail runs from violent insurrection (a la Bakunin) to obtaining a parliamentary majority (a la Jaures).



(I'll leave my personal opinions on all of this out of this thread, since it has deviated far enough already )
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To quickly exaplain the class struggle it is simply that there are those who own the means of production and those who produce, at present the oweners are rewarded disproportinatley to the actual producers who are alienated from the fruits of their labour and are exploited bt the owners of the means of production. The only agenda for either side of these people is to get more for themselves.

And to solve this problem you're suggesting anarchy?
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I add Marxist because I want to make it clear that I come from a Marxist standpoint.
Marxism isnt anarchistic by nature. Bakunin was in many ways diametrically opposed to Marx.

Whose views (and practices) appeal more to you, those of Jaures or those of Bakunin?
Or simply 'pure' Marxist theory (in which case you would be more of a communist than an anarchist)?
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And to solve this problem you're suggesting anarchy?
it is a valid solution in theory .
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