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23 Jun 2003, 20:33
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Macintosh Defender
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Apple unveils world's fastest computer, first 64-bit 4ghz Personal computer
Just minutes ago the conference in Seattle ended with literally thosands of people streaming out of the convention center as Apple showed off the new G5, 4ghz 64-bit personal computer system. The computer is the first one from Apple which is completely upgradable and is currently the fastest personal computer on the market. Apple's Store at Apple's Website also was swarmed is now down after being updated with the new G5 specs. Ugh its making my mouth water.
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23 Jun 2003, 20:35
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Apples are teh ghay.
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23 Jun 2003, 20:36
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Can someone please ban him? Why is trolling allowed?
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23 Jun 2003, 20:38
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I think Crays are faster...
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23 Jun 2003, 20:42
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Mr. Blobby
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nodrog
I think Crays are faster...
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That's not really a Personal Computer.
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23 Jun 2003, 20:45
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Henry Kelly
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1) It'll be very, very expensive
2) There'll still be no games on it
3) Eight whole gig of memory can be addressed?! Well gee! That's fully utilising 64bit processing!
When AMD get their finger out, the x86 PC world will have similar power, more compatibility, greater upgradability and scalability for the corporate market.
I've nothing against Apples. They have a place in the market.
Edit:
Also, as its SMP, those performance figures it suggests mean little to non-supportive software.
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23 Jun 2003, 20:46
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I think the one Dace is proposing to build in this thread would be faster.
Plus he gets to play CM4, more than mr. apple does.
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23 Jun 2003, 20:55
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apple s*cks, nuff said
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23 Jun 2003, 20:57
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Henry Kelly
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Quote:
Originally posted by derry
apple s*cks, nuff said
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That was a particularly well thought out argument, thanks!
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23 Jun 2003, 20:59
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np, always here 2 help
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23 Jun 2003, 21:01
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Apple's are now faster, and they are morel software support especially for games. EA, Blizzard, and Bungie now releases Mac games at the same time as XP games (Bungie is now MS owned). So in reality people who say 'they are ghey' 'no games' 'they are slower' hold no water to their arguments. The fact that OS x is much more stable then XP should be enough, but this seals the deal.
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23 Jun 2003, 21:02
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Unless you're a professional graphic artist, then why would anyone get excited about this?
It's not like Apple has mainstream appleal to Joe Public.
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23 Jun 2003, 21:15
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Quote:
Originally posted by Leshy
That's not really a Personal Computer.
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Why is marketing important? Are you in marketing?
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23 Jun 2003, 21:18
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Angry Young Man
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Lorenzo Amoruso unveils world's largest ****, paid 30kŁ p/w for **** set-pieces.
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23 Jun 2003, 21:28
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Quote:
Originally posted by Makain
Apple's are now faster, and they are morel software support especially for games. EA, Blizzard, and Bungie now releases Mac games at the same time as XP games (Bungie is now MS owned). So in reality people who say 'they are ghey' 'no games' 'they are slower' hold no water to their arguments. The fact that OS x is much more stable then XP should be enough, but this seals the deal.
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Maybe faster on clock speed; what about graphics cards and the like?
They won't be faster for very much longer.
They're not all that expandable.
They're exceptionally expensive.
And from using both Windows XP and MacOS 9/X for extended periods of time, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the Microsoft product was more stable.
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23 Jun 2003, 21:38
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Macs are the only reason CTU is still functioning after being blown the **** up by a bomb!
also, what the hell is 64bit ?
Weren't Playstations 64bit ? or were they 32 bit ? and it was the N64....
that makes more sense.
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23 Jun 2003, 22:03
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Mr. Blobby
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Quote:
Originally posted by queball
Why is marketing important? Are you in marketing?
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24 Jun 2003, 03:24
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I can never get my head around macs. I was using one for some video editing programme recently. Was quite cool though.
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24 Jun 2003, 04:06
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the only thing i can see using a mac for would be for image related stuff etc
as for general use, games, etc i would name anything other then apple heh
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24 Jun 2003, 05:06
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Quote:
Originally posted by Makain
Apple's are now faster
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Because a dual 2.0GHz system can beat a single 3.06GHz system?
(Also funny to note that the SPECint ratings on the Apple site for other CPU's are much lower than the official SPECint ones.)
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24 Jun 2003, 06:02
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Quote:
Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
Maybe faster on clock speed; what about graphics cards and the like?
They won't be faster for very much longer.
They're not all that expandable.
They're exceptionally expensive.
And from using both Windows XP and MacOS 9/X for extended periods of time, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the Microsoft product was more stable.
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That just made my head hurt. What you said is so flawed of a comparison that its pathetic. First of all whatever graphic card you choose to put in there is your own business, not Apple's. They just made the fastest computer, they didn't say they made the fastest graphics card. They are not a graphics card company. Just so you know its consumers who buy the graphics card not the corporation and whichever one you choose to put in there is your own business. Also Apples are expandable and upgradable, especially the G4 and G5 series. You can put up to 2gigs of RAM in a G4, and I think 4gigs in the G5. You can customize your graphics card, optical drives, and if you have a little more know-how then the average person, the processors.
They aren't any more expensive then any other quality pre-built system. If you want to cut down the price, dont have it preinstalled with a graphics card or lots of RAM and do that yourself. Its a company they charge you for stuff like that, do what other PC users do and buy and upgrade it yourself. Its not like these are old Macs where you cant upgrade and customize.
Mac OS X is infinitely more stable the XP pro. It has its own native software for mail, AIM, music, dvds, browsers, and upgrades each program and the OS as patches come out automatically. Because of this there are never any conflicts with preferences, not to mention its running of a unix kernal base allowing it to be much more secure then dos-based windows. I dont even have anti-virus software for my Mac and the only time I have OS X crash or become corrupted was when I overshot my RAM use and had itunes, Safari, iDVD, WarCraft 3, AIM, Mail, Quarkxpress, Adobe Photoshop, WarCraft 3 editor, Applescript, Text-edit, Calculator, and several other programs open simultaneously.
So please keep your opinions to yourself and stop spreading uninformed biases.
Also another thing is that Intel doesn't even have a 64-bit processor in the works. They would have to get dual 4ghz pentium processors in order to compete with the new apple, so unless Apple
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24 Jun 2003, 07:53
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Has Soup On His Head
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Quote:
Originally posted by Woof
I think the one Dace is proposing to build in this thread would be faster.
Plus he gets to play CM4, more than mr. apple does.
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Apples can play CM4.
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24 Jun 2003, 08:03
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kurashima
Apples can play CM4.
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Can they really, i stand corrected.
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24 Jun 2003, 08:16
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Do those damned machines have more than one mouse button nowadays? Its been ages since I've seen one....
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24 Jun 2003, 08:22
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Quote:
Originally posted by Woof
Can they really, i stand corrected.
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but it costs about $1000000 like all apple games.
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24 Jun 2003, 08:27
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Dispite it's speed, it's still an apple.
It's like boasting that Betamax had better picture quality than VHS did.
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24 Jun 2003, 08:57
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oh my god I am going to buy one as I need a huge virtual penis
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24 Jun 2003, 09:16
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when I've bought this monster I'll chat up your mother on MSN while your fat bastard dad is in the bar again getting pissed
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24 Jun 2003, 09:55
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Quote:
Originally posted by pablissimo
2) There'll still be no games on it
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Most games are now released for mac at the same time as they are for PC.
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Originally posted by Radical Edward
but it costs about $1000000 like all apple games.
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It costs Ł29.95 - the normal price for a game
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24 Jun 2003, 09:58
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yesterday I sat in the bus listening to two dudes bragging about their pc's. I just took an Apple magazine and started reading it a bit, I think they saw the cover of my mag exposing the big news of this 4 gig monster!
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24 Jun 2003, 11:12
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mmm.. pills
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Quote:
Originally posted by Makain
Mac OS X is infinitely more stable the XP pro. It has its own native software for mail, AIM, music, dvds, browsers, and upgrades each program and the OS as patches come out automatically. Because of this there are never any conflicts with preferences, not to mention its running of a unix kernal base allowing it to be much more secure then dos-based windows. I dont even have anti-virus software for my Mac and the only time I have OS X crash or become corrupted was when I overshot my RAM use and had itunes, Safari, iDVD, WarCraft 3, AIM, Mail, Quarkxpress, Adobe Photoshop, WarCraft 3 editor, Applescript, Text-edit, Calculator, and several other programs open simultaneously.
So please keep your opinions to yourself and stop spreading uninformed biases.
Also another thing is that Intel doesn't even have a 64-bit processor in the works. They would have to get dual 4ghz pentium processors in order to compete with the new apple.
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I've cut out the irrelevant bits to this discussion. Lets start with your first statement and work our way down. Windows XP (and infact all versions prior excepting Windows 3.x) comes out of the box with native mail, IM, music, DVD and browser software. XP also has an inbuilt automatic update feature that can be configured to either prompt for updates or d/l & install automatically as they come out, this extends to the other apps as well. You say you are informed but you proceed to claim all versions of Windows are DOS based which is infact incorrect. XP (and possibly 2000?) boots from its own kernal and is no longer reliant on the legacy DOS run-time environment. It does however emulate the DOS environment so as to maintain backwards compatibility, a feature you will note is simular to OSX which will emulate an OS8.x/9.x environment for the purpose of running 'classic' based applications (including 64K support).
I also do not have anti-virus software, and much the same have never had a problem with viruses. In your case I assume you are referring to the limited (but by no means non-existent) number of viruses that will affect your platform. I blame user stupidity for the prevailing spread of viruses that plague the PC platform, the machine is not at fault here, the user that runs the virus is however.
Now would be a good time to mention that I am a certified Apple technician, so my oppinions are well informed. I will not argue that OSX is not a substancially more stable platform than its predecessors, however I have seen my share of problem machines due to instabilities within OSX.
ItotheDtotheI already covered the 64bit issue.
I have a problem with the machines they chose for testing as I feel Dell are not representative of the average PC, nor do I consider them to be a reliable machine (only a notch above Compaq or the now defunct Gateway).
http://www.dell.com/us/en/biz/produc...300.htm#tabtop
http://www.dell.com/us/en/biz/produc..._precn_650.htm
are the two chosen for this test.
I found the fine print a little odd as well..
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(1) Tests performed by Apple in June 2003 using preproduction Power Mac G5 units. The Power Mac systems ran a PowerPC G5 — optimized version of Photoshop 7.0.1 including optimized AltiVecCore, ACE, and BIB Carbon Libraries; the Dell Dimension ran Photoshop 7.0.1.
(2) “World’s fastest” based on SPEC CPU2000 benchmark results and leading professional application performance tests against 3GHz Pentium 4 — based Dell Dimension 8300 and dual 3.06GHz Xeon-based Dell Precision Workstation 650. SPEC CPU2000 benchmarks run with GCC 3.3 compiler and independently tested; professional applications tested by Apple, June 2003.
(3) Based on SPEC CPU2000 benchmark results against 3GHz Pentium 4 — based Dell Dimension 8300 and dual 3.06GHz Xeon-based Dell Precision Workstation 650, run with GCC 3.3 compiler and independently tested, June 2003.
(4) Selected models.
(5) 1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.
(6) Achieving data rates of 54 Mbps requires that all users have an AirPort Extreme Card and connect to an AirPort Extreme Base Station. If any user of Wi-Fi certified 802.11b products joins the network, that user will get up to 11 Mbps and AirPort Extreme network users will get less than 54 Mbps. Actual speed will vary based on range, connection rate, site conditions, size of network, and other factors.
(7) Check with manufacturer for compatibility.
(8) Second Apple flat-panel display requires Apple DVI to ADC Adapter, sold separately.
(9) Actual rates will vary.
(10) Preliminary specifications based on preproduction Power Mac G5 units.
(11) Based on SPEC CPU2000 benchmark results against 3GHz Pentium 4 — based Dell Dimension 8300 and dual 3.06GHz Xeon-based Dell Precision Workstation 650m, performed by VeriTest, June 2003.
(12) Tests performed by Apple in June 2003 using preproduction Power Mac G5 units with application software optimized for the PowerPC G5.
(13) Compatible ISP and telephone services required. Your ISP may not support all V.92 features. Modem will function according to V.90 standards if V.92 services are not available. Actual modem speeds lower.
(14) Weight varies by configuration and manufacturing process.
Internet access requires a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.
Product contains electronic documentation.
Backup copy of software is included.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SilverSmoke
yesterday I sat in the bus listening to two dudes bragging about their pc's. I just took an Apple magazine and started reading it a bit, I think they saw the cover of my mag exposing the big news of this 4 gig monster!
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you are the bus loser.
you and those other two guys
bragging about a pc on a bus...then making yourself seem nonchalant by reading a mac magazine...
seriously
bus geek
bunny frowns upon you
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24 Jun 2003, 13:07
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A typical misinformed apple computer argument, they are a premium brand, end of argument.
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Apple makes pretty things.
I like pretty thing.
Hello, are you my mother?
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24 Jun 2003, 13:13
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Apples are pretty with bright colours and sensual curves.
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24 Jun 2003, 14:41
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Quote:
Originally posted by plasmas_arms
Apples are pretty with bright colours and sensual curves.
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No curves on the new box--it looks ugly.
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that pc with their HUGE tft screen wud be cool, but there are no new games on it.
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What the hell is any apple desktop gonna do with a 4ghz proccesser?
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24 Jun 2003, 17:35
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24 Jun 2003, 17:58
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It's not the first 64 bit PC either... *pats his ancient Alpha station*
The need for a 64 bit address space for the desktop is questionable. You can't physically plug more that 8 Gb into this machine anyway, and with apples you can't choose a mainboard from a different vendor that does have more than 8 memory slots. In any case, then you would be entering the server price range, and you would have to compare its performace with POWER 4 based pSeries servers. The PPC970 is a scaled down version of the POWER4.
At this time, the PPC970 is faster than a comparable x86 CPU at pure floating point number crunching. This is very nice, but for a desktop PC, fp-heavy tasks (rendering graphics for example) tend to be delegated to the graphics- and sound cards, which tend to be ver very very much faster than CPU's at this.
The reason Apple now switched to 64 bit is probably because IBM stopped developing its dumbed down 32 bit version of the POWER architecture long ago.
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Also another thing is that Intel doesn't even have a 64-bit processor in the works. They would have to get dual 4ghz pentium processors in order to compete with the new apple, so unless Apple
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Intel has the Itanium, AMD its AMD64. Two 2 ghz CPUs are not the same as one 4 ghz one.
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Funny funny funny. Even more amusing that the flames all miss the obvious points...
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No curves on the new box--it looks ugly.
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Then what the **** is the point in buying one then????
I thought being sexy was their main selling point?
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