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Unread 27 Dec 2008, 00:44   #51
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

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with a ten week round the alliances had better work together to prevent an ownage by anyone such as happened over the last 2 rounds because if asc owns like it did last round or the round b4 then we would have 5 weeks of an unchallenged hegemony, which would imo be rather boring for everyone
Its why its probably a bad idea raising the alliance limit to 100 while also increasing the round length.. As doesnt it just allow more good players to move to Asc?
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Its why its probably a bad idea raising the alliance limit to 100 while also increasing the round length.. As doesnt it just allow more good players to move to Asc?
if the "good players" are moving to asc, it's because their allies aren't working for them

instead of worrying about ascendancy taking members from other alliances, you should think about why they're leaving in the first place
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Unread 27 Dec 2008, 09:47   #53
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if the "good players" are moving to asc, it's because their allies aren't working for them

instead of worrying about ascendancy taking members from other alliances, you should think about why they're leaving in the first place
coming from someone who shipjumped to asc in r29 to someone who intends to use an asc invite for r30; surely between you two u have the answers.
It is not that every other alliance is totally worthless but rather asc is a different kind of alliance which others seem unwilling to replicate. It surely would not be hard to recreate ascs system; but now that they do have all the good players its effectively closing the barn door after the horse has bolted
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Its why its probably a bad idea raising the alliance limit to 100 while also increasing the round length.. As doesnt it just allow more good players to move to Asc?
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Unread 27 Dec 2008, 10:54   #55
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but now that they do have all the good players its effectively closing the barn door after the horse has bolted
so you're saying anyone not in ascendancy isnt a good player?
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

And that's before you even consider losses to Omen and Angels.
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so you're saying anyone not in ascendancy isnt a good player?
no but I think I have said before (probably in the r29 predictions thread) that the half of the universes good players not in asc but spread thin through the others doesnt seem to balance those concentrated in Asc.

besides, Im not in or am I likely to be asc, I would essentially be saying Im not a good player, which while it may be true is not something Im likely to admit to myself
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

Raising the alliance limit means that there can be fewer alliances. This round was interesting. Next round will stagnate again. They never learn.
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Unread 27 Dec 2008, 11:46   #59
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

Im not sure thats true; the amount of alliances is in large part decided by how many HC teams there are out there actively recruiting and thus their theoretical maximum is not an issue. There is no need for every alliance to race to 100, its quite likely many would have about 75 anyway.
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Raising the alliance limit means that there can be fewer alliances. This round was interesting. Next round will stagnate again. They never learn.
Can only mean? I think not.

Denial were not playing next round regardless of how what the limit was going to be.

Angels and Omen started reforming before the alliance limit was announced.

It's almost like people care more about being in charge than how many members they have! Who would've thunk it.

Edit: beaten and more eloquently so by Londo. Shucks.
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Unread 27 Dec 2008, 19:00   #61
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

Benefits some alliances more than others tho
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Benefits some alliances more than others tho
By that logic, reducing the number of members per alliance also benefits some alliances more than others. In other words, any change to the alliance member limit will by definition benefit some alliances more than others.

In other words, alliance HCs should have no say in this matter, because there will always be some HCs that will argue in favor of the status quo.
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

More importantly: I heard Orbit is returning!
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Good luck btw
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no but I think I have said before (probably in the r29 predictions thread) that the half of the universes good players not in asc but spread thin through the others doesnt seem to balance those concentrated in Asc.
There's a concentration of people like IsilX, robban and jer in Asc. You make whatever you want out of that
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

after reading this i somehow worry more about the fact the clementines i just ate taste exactly like ribes. thats strange. Game change a bit but its hardly anything to cry out for i think its for the better anyways with some change
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

I kinda lika Achi's FAGS system. We should combine this with AIDS (alliance intel and defense system, codename, Munin)

But with the attitude provided by FAGS and the options provided by Munin you can come a long way and don't become dependable on a few bc's who get worn down or attack organisers etc. Only thing you then depend on is a group of scanners.
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I kinda lika Achi's FAGS system. We should combine this with AIDS (alliance intel and defense system, codename, Munin)
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haha, yeah, arse.... good times
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

Less ****ing acronyms, more ****ing talk about round 30 please.
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if the "good players" are moving to asc, it's because their allies aren't working for them

instead of worrying about ascendancy taking members from other alliances, you should think about why they're leaving in the first place

I think its more along the lines of people see Asc as the winning alliance, so they go running to it. Its natural for any human being (you been one of them as of course so did i once) Always go to the place you think is the best. Thats just how humans work, you go to where you think you will benefit from and if you were a new player and saw Asc at the top of the rankings naturally you would want to play with the top alliance.

So raising the alliance limit i see as pointless especially as alliances such as Tof, Omen, Orbit etc are returning. The universe just isnt big enough for this anymore, and at least with solid limits it forced people to go to these smaller alliances rather then joining the bandwagon of the top allies. So now PA will die and stagnate even quicker then before.
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If the game doesn't grow it's dead anyways and who gives a shit.
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

I couldnt care less about the fking limidt.
How I ll structure anything, in any round, and amount of people I d get along wouldnt change if the limidt was 50 or 500.

I place asc as fav. to win the round, mainly because no other alliances are able to keep / recruit enough quality players. And the fact that people will be blind to stupid factors like score at pt200
Also, they have too many good planetholders, people who overall do less fkups than other allies, and eventually end up top100 no matter what.
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And the fact that people will be blind to stupid factors like score at pt200
Exactly. If you only ever look at current score and not potential score, you are in trouble. As well as factoring in skill of the playerbase, among other things. I think that lesson was learned last round. Old habits seem to die hard though.

IMO it will come down to, does anyone actually want to challenge ASC? When New Dawn was going for their hat trick, Denial decided to stop that from happening, even if it cost us the round. ASC won that round, but I like to think that Denial had something to do with that. ASC have already said that is exactly what will happen, that a sacrifice will have to be made. Will there be an alliance willing to do that in Round 30?

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I expect stagnation from the end of the 2nd week
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oh oh oh it sounds like Wishmaster has a plan, does he?
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Another easy win for asc coming up!
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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

I for one am firmly convinced that wishmaster's strategic nous and political insights will easily allow him to outplay us all.
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just to clear some things up

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Round 30: Prediction Thread/Views

My view is that I don't see any victory other than that for Ascendancy, I think a big density of a experienced players, they know how to turn politics in their favour, and to be honest, I can't see anyone capable of beating them, or even come close, add that to the fact that PA team have seen it wise to add 100 tag limits, plus support planet rule taken out, I can't see this helping any other alliance as much as it helping Ascendancy.

Conspiracy Theory i think will suffer quite abit, after the better part of 5-6 rounds napping the Universe and "playing for planet ranks", I think it will be hard to change the mindset of 75 people, used to sitting on big roids, on their big fences to then being some1 up all night, DCing, recalling, resending, I just don't see it working at all. I think the best way to see how far an alliance has come, is to test it, and last round CT found out nothing about how good its members, officers, HC really are.

NewDawn, my new home, I expect a top5 finish, but I can't see top2 finish.

VGN, they have some good players, but also some extremely shit players, also there are rumours of flagshipping HC and officers (amazing how Stuhlman nearly always comes top10 for such a poor alliance). Last round I heard rumours that VGN were struggling to even take one small galaxy towards the end, so unless decent recruitment is done, and problems solved, I can't see much happening.

I'm not sure whats going on with other alliances, or even with the ones I've mentioned, but like I say, I really can't see anything other than an Asc #1 finish

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Re: Round 30 - Gamethread

stuhl does leech a bit of def, but alot of planets do, one of the reasons he's consecutively high ranked is most likely down to him being a good player! even if he uses alot of def :P

Omen will be OK next round, CT will be alittle stronger but will crack under pressure, ND will be decent activity wise in attacking but will not challenge for tag title due to DLR playing solo, ROCK will be stronger once again with some good recruitment going on, I won't comment on Ascendancy.
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coming from someone who shipjumped to asc in r29 to someone who intends to use an asc invite for r30; surely between you two u have the answers.
It is not that every other alliance is totally worthless but rather asc is a different kind of alliance which others seem unwilling to replicate. It surely would not be hard to recreate ascs system; but now that they do have all the good players its effectively closing the barn door after the horse has bolted
I've thought about this, and I don't think I agree. Maybe things would be different if we actually shut down operation, but a lot of people tell me they wouldn't be bothered and would just quit. Incidentally, we've had about 300 people pass through Ascendancy, many of whom have gone on to found or re-found alliances, but none have chosen egalitarian/non-hierarchical styles such as our own. Make of that what you will.
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the day that alliances stop having officers and hc channels seperate from everyone, and start giving their members an equal say in how the alliance is ran, is the day that ascendancy wont have the outspoken advantage it currently possesses
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Who got the impression asc members got an equal say?
This just isnt the case
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Who got the impression asc members got an equal say?
This just isnt the case
I think posi's mistaken. I don't think we've ever had a case of 'equal say'. And in my opinion the difference has been waning over the last few rounds, as more and more people just dumbly rely on JBG to make sure their planets survive.

That said, anyone can step up and take charge, which is exactly what JBG did and how he got such an important voice in what happens in the alliance. I don't think people realized this as strongly as they perhaps should have, which in my opinion is a failing of our recruiting system: when we got 7-8 generations out there was just no chance of correctly introducing people to the Ascendancy culture. All we could do was hope they'd stick around long enough to pick it up. And the more JBG did, the more difficult it was for people do just that...

Ascendancy might not have equal say, but it's designed to have equal ability to do. Words don't mean much, action is where it's at.
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I don't think people realized this as strongly as they perhaps should have, which in my opinion is a failing of our recruiting system: when we got 7-8 generations out there was just no chance of correctly introducing people to the Ascendancy culture. All we could do was hope they'd stick around long enough to pick it up.
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VGN, they have some good players, but also some extremely shit players, also there are rumours of flagshipping HC and officers (amazing how Stuhlman nearly always comes top10 for such a poor alliance).
Just to set the record straight - flagshipping (of any kind) is never going to happen while I'm HC of VGN.

As for Stuhlman - yes, he always finishes with a high rank - but he's a damned good player.

And thanks for your opinion of our quality as an alliance. We haven't picked our "enemies" for R30 yet.
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Ascendancy won't win. We'll be playing solely to get Cardinal to win top planet so we can have the best eorc ever.

You need plenty of effort to that tbh. Mostly you will need watches so MHs dont finnish him off before the playerbase does.

But its nice to see you like challences!
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Omen will be OK next round, CT will be alittle stronger but will crack under pressure, ND will be decent activity wise in attacking but will not challenge for tag title due to DLR playing solo, ROCK will be stronger once again with some good recruitment going on, I won't comment on Ascendancy.
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