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Unread 14 Jul 2010, 18:43   #51
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

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PS Heimdall, ND have a galaxy put up for their smaller planets every night, I'd imagine that's where you saw a lot of incs from. From attacking with ND for a lot of the round I know they did hit the targets that we agreed on. They just also hit others. Makes sense, for most of the round they had 30 more players than us.
i know this, but they don't have to make it seem like they only gave us random incoming, cause for most (nightly basis) of the round they were our most hostile alliance.
But if you really were intend of taking out another alliance, you concentrate all your fleets on them, and not allow 8 waves on a lower tier one.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

That just makes no sense, to use your own jgp's as an indicator.

you get a "5" for effort
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Well, it depends on the size of the planet, the size of the fleets attacking him, the time of the day, what day it was etc etc. That and the fact that as ND say they don't play that way. They have smaller players and they cater for them as opposed to mashing them into giant teamups and firing them off at big planets.

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That just makes no sense, to use your own jgp's as an indicator.

you get a "5" for effort
Of course it makes sense. It's not biased in any real way except towards ourselves. Obviously you could contradict it by posting some actual statistics yourselves!
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That just makes no sense, to use your own jgp's as an indicator.
It would be downright stupid to claim those stats are 100% accurate. However, I see no reason why we would have accidentially JGP'ed more Apprime fleets than NewDawn ones. Do you?

So, no, using these stats as an indicator is quite acceptable.

[edit]Apparently Pelennor JGP'ed for Ascendancy as well as Apprime the first 400 ticks, but I don't think they particularly bothered to map you out, so those probably really were just random incomings.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Just for clarification, are you talking 8 waves on every planet of a ODDR gal, 8 waves of only ND attackers on a single planet or 8 waves total across all ODDR planets in one night of attacking?

Because I'm pretty sure the only attacks we've had with more than 5 waves on a single target have been either split TA's on Apprime or dayraid retals which are hardly ever hit more than 3 waves over those 8 open.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

no, not all oddr planets, cause that would mean p-targetting,
im talking about you guys hitting a gal with oddr planets in, and they getting up to 8 waves.

ps: the day i occupy myself with keeping statistics in this game, is the day I'll suicide
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

I encourage every ND player that is counting for tag, to leave it. That would trully be an awesome end of all this. Evo is an alliance that was leading early and did a great comeback after being hit early. Second best military alliance after Apprime in my opinion.
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I encourage every ND player that is counting for tag, to leave it. That would trully be an awesome end of all this. Evo is an alliance that was leading early and did a great comeback after being hit early. Second best military alliance after Apprime in my opinion.
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I'm sure Evolution would be so happy if someone let them win, that way they could be better than ND.

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Edit to make it clear in case someone doesn't get it: People are whining that ND do not deserve to win for some arbitrary definition of 'deserve' that includes "did not fight or WARRR enough" and now you want it to be acceptable that ND goes "hai we no deserve here have some victory plz" which is not only dumb but also hypocritical.
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no, not all oddr planets, cause that would mean p-targetting,
im talking about you guys hitting a gal with oddr planets in, and they getting up to 8 waves.
Proof? I can say for sure that no such attack took place for the first 700 ticks, and I don't see LordN setting up anything like that either.

My guess is a gal with 1-2 ODDR planets in it was doublebooked and you can't tell the difference.
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We have fair a few gals with 4 -5 oddr members in so, is it really that hard to believe ?

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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Wait. Do you mean a 4-5 man oddr galaxy got 8 ND waves in total? And you're complaining about that?
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

lol no not in total, now your are just trying to make me look silly

how much fun and useless this debate has become, I'm going to leave at this, real life waiting for me
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Well, I just went through the first 40(out of 105) raids, and none of your 4 gals were targeted in any of those. I know I hit 5:6 once, but I rather doubt it was put up more than once, it's a horrible target for ND really. 6:9 doesn't seem familiar, although I might be wrong.

Personally I don't like raiding random gals, too many targets which are a simple waste of time, so that takes out the last two as well.

ps. ND has atm received 2205 waves of inc this round, an average of ~2 waves every tick throughout the round.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Why is this debate even going on?


Congratz ND for winning.
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Lol hilarious Napping every ally so u cant be hit= good win?????????? Cant believe what im reading here, Now if ND had won by 40mill plus then yes maybe but the fact is they had no incoming all round and only struggled to win 1st place a win is a win but this is far from convincing.
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lol there very dry just laughing at the fact that i have been here to witness an nd win never thought i would see LAND win
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lol there very dry just laughing at the fact that i have been here to witness an nd win never thought i would see LAND win
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Sun if you re read it you will note i said i never thought i would see them win
Given that you joined the forums 2006, I think both rnd24 and 25 should be within the time that you've been around.
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Congrats ND.

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We need to stop this whole a war game doesn't involve politics drivel. It ****ing does. ****ing wars involve politics. It's exactly how things work in real life.
err i also said in my post that i agree that politics has and have been a very big part of this game and yes its also how it is in real life. im not questioning that.. its just that i would rather see some alliance winning that has actually been in war situation and have worked their way through round working hard..

again, i was refering who i would see as the round winner
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err i also said in my post that i agree that politics has and have been a very big part of this game and yes its also how it is in real life. im not questioning that.. its just that i would rather see some alliance winning that has actually been in war situation and have worked their way through round working hard..

again, i was refering who i would see as the round winner
Apprime were let down by their HCs. It's tough winning a war if your leaders keep on invading new countries!
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ND and CT have proved time and time again what is wrong with PA. Avoiding incomings shouldnt lead to #1, fighting wars and winning should.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Only time ND had 8 waves on our webbie for any gal was when we were joint attacking, and then 4-6 were blocked per target in a staggered formation ND would typically hit 1 hard target (app/evo) and one soft target low ranked gal. ND Is a training allaince about 20% of our members are in there first or second round of PA we like to make sure they have somthing they can hit

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ND and CT have proved time and time again what is wrong with PA. Avoiding incomings shouldnt lead to #1, fighting wars and winning should.
CT and ND were both involved heavily in wars when they previously won the round. The main war in round 20 was CT versus Destiny and in r25 was nd/ct versus urwins. R24 was slightly different but ND were still heavily involved. So not really up until this round where in fairness ND had againg been involved, they've proactively gone out and joined up with asc and apprime versus evo/osiris/ct and took part in targeting there. They then hit apprime for a long time and now at the end of the round they're being hit by osiris, evo and apprime. They didn't spend the round nub-raiding. They took part in the wars. Sure they took part from relatively advantageous positions but for god's sake that's the whole ****ing point of politics.

Anyways how this is so wildly different from last round is beyond me.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

i was wrong it wasnt pais it was widgit5 bad widgit 5
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I don't understand why people would come down on ND. If they won by napping, then it's the other alliances that let them win by not attacking them when they clearly had an advantage in roids and numbers.
Anyway, ND had plenty of naps, just like the rest of us. But they fought wars and won by switching sides when the balance of power shifted. ND switched after CT joined the war and hit them for almost 7% of their roids. It was a good move by ND, but it didn't take them out of the war.
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some of the people in this thread should stop ****ing crying already.

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We were very much involved in the App/Asc/ND vs Evo/Osi+whoever else... We were involved in EVERY war this round...

It is NOT OUR FAULT that no one stopped us from getting the roid lead that we did... So stop downsizing our victory... (well we havent won yet)


AND--- LMAO at 8 waves on an ODDR planet.... bahahahahahaha. Proof or it just didn't ****ing happen Heim...
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We were very much involved in the App/Asc/ND vs Evo/Osi+whoever else... We were involved in EVERY war this round...

It is NOT OUR FAULT that no one stopped us from getting the roid lead that we did... So stop downsizing our victory... (well we havent won yet)


AND--- LMAO at 8 waves on an ODDR planet.... bahahahahahaha. Proof or it just didn't ****ing happen Heim...
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it never happened expect when you were drunk and had double vision is that 4 inc or 8 errrrr i dont know:P
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Meh, it was a round of horrible politics controled by individuals using them for their own personal gain over what made sense for their alliance. At the start of the round, the best thing that could happend was someone attacking 8:3 because then lordn/cardi/me could actually agree on teaming up on them the next night

Let's skip the start, as it was way boring and I still dislike us fleetcatching so many noobs Greedy ziks wtf.

A few hundred ticks after the start we had what I think was the only fair war of the round, evo/osi/ct against asc/app/ND. On our side we felt evo and osiris had consulidated themselves as allies, even if they tried to deny it at the time, and we decided to hit them. After initial success the war stagnated a bit with not much lost or gained on either side and apprime were on top with a good amount of roids. That lead to them grounding fleets when expecting inc for severel days, sometimes even dropping pre-agreed targets in the process. It worked to some extent as Apprime were very hard to roid, but this behaviour pissed off both ND and asc.

The ND/app relationship was on a knifes edge even before that because of Apprime planets defending Evo planets in certain galaxies. Apprime leading was not a sight ND cared much for either, so after some long long loooong hc discussions they dropped the nap, changed sides completly and started
hitting Apprime with the other side of the block. With the numbers stacked against them, apprime now abandoned attacking and tried to win the round by defending only. And there were quite a lot of crashes, but it was way too early in the round to go to such an extreme tactic and the block was stubbern enough to keep hitting.

Asc had meanwhile kept their NAP with ND despite their sudden change of sides, and were mainly getting fat in part due to not getting much in and in part due to random roiding a bit while having an insanely unbalanced memberbase (something like 50% of the total alliance roids on 15 planets). Osiris and Evo were both hurting after hitting an alliance with all fleets grounding for the best part of a week and even with the numbers on their side, both alliances were now less active and still only on average roids.

Apprime had expressed their displeasure with Asc keeping their NAP with ND as they were the first choice of targets for Apprime once the incoming slowed down. Asc on the other hand felt like they were being used for flak to attack hopeless targets while Apprime did not even try to attack. Looking for a way to recover lost roids easily, Apprime decided to hit the only alliance which had not been hitting them, dropping the nap with Asc and ignoring the 48 hours grace period which had been had agreed.

At this point Ascendancy had a solid hold of the #1 ranking, along with nearly all of the top10 planets but solid incs over the next week from osiris/evo/app working together meant that the roidlead was quickly overturned. ND were at this point sitting out, and I believe mostly hitting randoms to get fat, much like asc had done previously. They were however napped with every top alliance except apprime, so there was not much choice involved.

Apprime looked to have picked up most of the roids Asc lost, once again emerging as a contender for victory. However, ND and CT saw this coming and joined Asc in hitting Apprime for 2-3 nights. This was surprisingly effective and subsequent the activity in Apprime fell to a round low as they dropped out of the picture for #1 alliance once and for all.

Evo and Osiris had been enjoying an easy ride for a few hundred ticks now, and both alliances were slowly gaining ambition again. Ascendancy still had most of the top planets, so they decided to start waving those in hope of solid XP gains. Apprime also joined in on a few nights, eventually leaving most of the asc top planets with few roids. The main beneficiary from these actions were ND, as they were still napped to 4 alliances in the top5 and Apprime had never really given them the incs they expected.

Eventually Evo realised that ND were not crashing their lead away without having to fight a war, so with one week to go they dropped the nap and soon after started the last war of the round. Apprime (still in the weakened form) also gave ND some attention, even Osiris dropped their NAP with ND in the end but the gap had grown too big and was only coming down slowly.
Meanwhile, Asc had been working hard to secure planet rankings and generally reverting back to the original attitude of "ruining" by doing mass waves on hand-selected planets.

And that's just about where we stand 40 ticks from the end.
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Like i said before, the day i keep statistics about this game I'll suicide.
But as one of oddr dc's i can say it actually happened so stfu
You do realize nobody compiles these statistics by hand? The tools that we and others use have automatic functions built in for tracking what happens in the game.

And I'll trust our own tools through which all organized attacks are made over your word and memory, tyvm. I have no knowledge of how good your intel is, but if you cba to keep track of anything, I doubt it's very good at all, severely compromising your ability to tell apart multiple alliances when a target has been doublebooked.
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Then why are you making such a dramatic point of not wanting to keep track of what you've been doing? It requires practically no effort beyond the initial commitment to rewrite any given toolset to remember the information you feed it daily anyway, and in fact every publicly available toolset I know of features some form of statistical information. Even if you take the path of least resistance, there seems to me to be no excuse not to have statistics such as these available to oneself, if for no other reason than to provide an unbiased viewpoint for internal decision making processes.
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I think I can speak for most of evo when I say that we would rather finish 2nd than be handed the victory...
ND deserves to win for playing it smart this round, for once not crashing it all away and actually having decent military strength, ...
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I encourage every ND player that is counting for tag, to leave it. That would trully be an awesome end of all this. Evo is an alliance that was leading early and did a great comeback after being hit early. Second best military alliance after Apprime in my opinion.
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Doesn't mean we'll make it easy on them for the last 2 days though
I don't think any of us would have it any other way either, really. This war was never going to topple us, wars seldom do these days, but likewise I doubt any of us want the victory handed to us, and in truth, I don't think it has been.

ps. DK's prolly the worst, he seems to take some masochist pleasure out of this whole ordeal. Says he enjoys DC'ing, that fool.
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Dude, if ODDR had a fatass planet in a random gal I'd 8-wave it if I had the fleets.
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Good post Golan, fair summary of the round.
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