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I'm SO moving to Scotland
Free Prescriptions
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Class sizes under 18 in primary schools
Scotland > *
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20 Jun 2007, 17:04
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
But you'd be living in Scotland.
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20 Jun 2007, 17:12
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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Free Prescriptions
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Why would you need dental care, its well known no scottish man with any selfrespect has any teeth.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Scotland is a pritteh country.
Unlike Engerland, the ugliest country in Europe
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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Scotland is a pritteh country.
Unlike Engerland, the ugliest country in Europe
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Eh? Cumbria, N. Yorkshire, Cornwall are all very pretty, to name just a few.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
balanced out by the lower salary youll have
you wont be able to find an NHS dentist
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Youre forgetting some :
1) Goverment pays university tuition costs for scottish students
2)Free bus travel for all OAPS on any service
3)Scottish Sun is 10p
4)Free wheelie bins
fs why did i leave for ireland its £4 a pint here
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
1) He's not Scottish
2) He's not a pensioner
3) Are you kidding me?
4) See above
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1) Goverment pays university tuition costs for scottish students
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You have to pay it back after you graduate except they call it an endowment rather than fees.
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20 Jun 2007, 19:45
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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fs why did i leave for ireland its £4 a pint here
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It's not quite that bad. It's about €4.40 a pint at the moment, which equates to £2.95.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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But you'd be living in Scotland.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
And you don't?
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Who doesn't?
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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And you don't?
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no I certainly do not . I am scottish
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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no I certainly do not . I am scottish
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
And you still don't?
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No i do not . Scotland may be A god forbidden Miserable Place. But i love it and will never leve it EVER
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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Free Prescriptions
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Obviously I am in favour of all of the above, but how much of your income goes on prescriptions? Adding up the last fifteen years, I think I've spent less than £10 on prescriptions. If you have a regular ailment then it's different, but for certain chronic conditions I seem to recall other arrangements being in place.
I haven't bothered checking, but from what I can tell if I had a worst case scenario with my NHS dentist (i.e. a band three charge every quarter for a whole year) then that'd only represent something like 3% of my income. The amount is not necessarily trivial but for a working person over the course of the year it would be managable (and avoidable unless like myself, you have very poor dental hygeine). For those with young children, or in receipt of benefits there are of course other arrangements for dental treatment.
Once again, I will state I am in favour of these policies in general, especially for people who are working but earning a low wage - but I wouldn't exaggerate the effect. I realise the tabloids are talking excitedly about the billions going to support those evil Scots, but it's really not that big a deal for most of the people on this forum (I would expect).
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the barnett formula still sucks donkey cock though
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the barnett formula still sucks donkey cock though
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tbh those reasons don't sound very appealing, i don't smoke and i prefer the taste of diet sugar free drinks so my teeth are ok and that was the best reason on the list. How are free prescriptions going to help me? I'm pretty much of the opinion parents play a greater role in nurturing a want for understanding and education than schools.
If anything that list is sending out a message that people who are chronically ill with bad teeth and idiotic children are needed in scotland. I'd be more attracted with freedoms than social welfare, so if i were a smoker and scotland hadn't banned private members clubs from smoking like in stalinist england id be 'attracted' to scotland. People throughout history have tended to be more attracted to greater freedom than state handouts no matter how benevolent those handouts are.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Hi guys I'm bored in London where can I go to live in poverty ?
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
These anti Scottish members would say Scotland . But I cant really say whair would be best
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People throughout history have tended to be more attracted to greater freedom than state handouts no matter how benevolent those handouts are.
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Well, maybe (although since state "handouts" in this sense are a relatively modern thing I'm not sure you could really make comparisons). "Freedom" exists within a certain context though - Europe has a lot more regulations than parts of Africa and hell Somalia barely has a government. Europe probably has more regulations than anywhere else on Earth (I have no way of justifying that of course) yet there's no shortage of people who wish to live here, even in the cold statist wastes of Scandanavia.
I'd say people are attracted to a more general idea of "the good life" which could mean a range of things. Sure, a lot of migration has been to get away from various persecutions but equally it's been moving towards things - a more general prospect of affluence - often land or work. See the novels of Steinbeck et al.
A friend of mine (junior doctor) is about to move to Australia because there he'll be given the freedom to choose the medical specialty he wants and not deal with the current system of job applications here. But that's not because Australia is freedom loving and the UK isn't, it just seems to be something we've got particularly wrong at the moment. There are plenty of Aussies who come to the UK because of a wider/better choice of jobs.
It seems more about a general notion of quality of life (or perceptions thereof) I think.
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No i do not . Scotland may be A god forbidden Miserable Place. But i love it and will never leve it EVER
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And I for one am eternally greatful.
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tbh those reasons don't sound very appealing, i don't smoke and i prefer the taste of diet sugar free drinks so my teeth are ok
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I believe it's more to do with the acid in those drinks as opposed to the sugar in them.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Also, it's not like you'll be guaranteed of having no teethproblems if you take care of them very well. Lot's of people just have shitty teeth to begin with, even while taking care of them all their life. I do not take that much care of my teeth, just the basic of two times brushing and I never had a problem at all in my whole life, not even the smallest thing you can imagine. I drank coke for years after years in my teenage years. A bottle a day.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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And I for one am eternally greatful.
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This from a valleys boy, oh the irony.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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i don't smoke and i prefer the taste of diet sugar free drinks so my teeth are ok and that was the best reason on the list.
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You do know that sugar isn't the worst piece the teeth-bashing ingredients in a soda?
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This from a valleys boy, oh the irony.
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Didn't you hear, Aberdare is the place to be nowadays.
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I believe it's more to do with the acid in those drinks as opposed to the sugar in them.
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Well the utterly neutral British Soft Drinks Association and Coca Cola disagree!
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Are soft drinks the cause of either dental erosion or dental caries?
National surveys have shown that dental caries in children has declined dramatically over the same period (1973-1993) that soft drink intake has increased. This has been attributed to the widespread use of fluoride toothpaste.
Many food and drink products such as fruit, sauces, pickles, wine and soft drinks do contain acid, whether natural or added. However an acid can only have an influence on enamel erosion for as long as that acid is in contact with the enamel surfaces. In addition studies on dental erosion have shown it to be a multi-factorial condition with susceptibility in individuals varying according to behaviour, lifestyle, general diet and oral hygiene practices.
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One question that is frequently asked about soft drinks is whether they cause teeth to erode or dissolve. The often cited case of a tooth in a glass of 'Coca-Cola' dissolving in no way creates a real life situation.
The teeth in your mouth are constantly bathed by saliva, which is vital to the wellbeing of our teeth. This helps neutralize both the acid in soft drinks and the acid which is produced when plaque bacteria digest sugar and other carbohydrates. When you drink a 'Coca-Cola', your teeth are exposed for only a short amount of time rather than sitting for days in a glass. Any acidic drink, including fruit juice, would produce similar results. Globally, tooth decay has declined significantly over the last 20 years, even as soft drink consumption has increased, thanks to improved dental hygiene. The widespread use of fluoride in drinking water, toothpastes and mouthwashes has greatly improved dental health, making teeth more resistant to acid attack from plaque bacteria.
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I wouldn't stop drinking diet carbonated drinks tbh, its my major fluid intake mechanism without it id have to increase beer intake
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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Didn't you hear, Aberdare is the place to be nowadays.
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Sure, if you want to study in-breeding.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Men in skirt without underwear
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I think those three even out your pro's Smudge.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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wtf is that
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basically scotland gives all its money and resources to england, who give a figure back as calculated by the barnett formula
The english say they give too much back to scotland
The scottish say the english are ripping us off by giving us less back then we had
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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Ah, well that's your first mistake you see
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Sure, if you want to study in-breeding.
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says the person living/studying in wales...
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As per most Scottish people, Phil is behind the times since I came home a week or so ago, permanently.
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As per most Scottish people, Phil is behind the times since I came home a week or so ago, permanently.
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I don't want to hurt your feelings but It's quite possible that most people can't be arsed to read every single post you write.
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says the person living/studying in wales...
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Furball's in-breeding comment was about Wales anyway.
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basically scotland gives all its money and resources to england, who give a figure back as calculated by the barnett formula
The english say they give too much back to scotland
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Scotland gets demonstrably and significantly more public expenditure per capita than England, so I don't think what you have put forward as the Scottish argument really holds water. The objections generally take a more nationalistic, idealogical bent than simply one of money. At least for the Scottish; for the English, that's more covered by the West Lothian question.
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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No i do not . Scotland may be A god forbidden Miserable Place. But i love it and will never leve it EVER
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What if it was a radioactive wasteland populated by ravenous cannibals?
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What if it was a radioactive wasteland populated by ravenous cannibals?
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If?
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
Re: the title of this post
I've already made that mistake, and to be honest, once you get past the hills and the fresh water, it's still full of teenagers with baseball hats brawling on street corners.
Or isn't that fair?
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What if it was a radioactive wasteland populated by ravenous cannibals?
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i would still stay
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I've already made that mistake, and to be honest, once you get past the hills and the fresh water, it's still full of teenagers with baseball hats brawling on street corners.
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That unfortunately is true . They are called ned's (Chavs in England and Scavies somewhere else)
But still they are part and parcel of eny community now . And we just have to put up with the dam delinquents. I run the computer room in a club for young teenagers. and it is them i get in all the time. So i have learnt to deal with them
But enuf of me or this part of Scotland . We should get back on topic . But from what i have seen hear . That's a hard thing to do
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Re: I'm SO moving to Scotland
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But enuf of me or this part of Scotland . We should get back on topic
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Indeed. What exactly do you think of the Barnett Formula?
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even lord barnett is embarrassed by the barnett formula - it was meant to be in place for 1 year (?) in the 1970's to help out and never got taken out again
recently, tony 'most of my constituency are in one of the most deprived wards in the country' actually defended the formula as 'worth it to keep the UK together', even though it means that his own constituents get less government help than most of scotland.
where is the sense in that? (and it just goes to prove what idiots there are around here that vote whoever is labour without actually looking at what the person stands for
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Well, Labour have to keep Scotland on side. If England were taken as a single body, the tories would win by a country mile.
That's not really a reason for the North East to vote for them, but then Labour has beaten the NE around with a big stick because they know there's noone else to vote for. Blair's continued nonattendance at the Durham Miners' Gala, unique of all Labour party leaders thus far, is another example of that.
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i would still stay
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What if they let in blacks?
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i would still stay . i have no problem with people from other country's. living hear. and have nothing against any grupe race, religion .
other than neds,chavs,scavies they are the ones that are bringing down oure and other countrys society's.
bar them i would let eny one live hear
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Its unfortunate that you cannot spell.
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