Political status in our 'solo' random round

[SpazMonster]

Originally posted by K-W
No, because the public opinion pendulum has swung too far in the other direction now, and any alliance that dares to not go solo will run a very high risk of getting stomped for blocking.

Why does 'making a move' politically have to involve allying with another alliance? That seems to be a rather narrow view of things.

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by SpazMonster
Why does 'making a move' politically have to involve allying with another alliance? That seems to be a rather narrow view of things.

He's Fury?
Har Har

[ComradeRob]

Ok, we admit it

Here is the proof. I am so sorry

[PiaZava]

Hahahahahahahahahaha! :D

[jornx]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
Ok, we admit it

Here is the proof. I am so sorry

especially the John Lennon part was ace

[K-W]

Originally posted by cyphie
If you think I'm wrong, you probably misread

Im pretty sure I repeated exactly what you wrote back to you.

Explain what I didnt understand please?

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
Ok, we admit it

Here is the proof. I am so sorry

(#eclipse) topic- 'Welcome to #eclipse | NO PMing THE OPS WITHOUT PERMISSION! (except Bashar, temp or QD) | Recruiting closed - only on invite | We have allied with LDK, Oly, WP, Ely, Ety, IPC, ToT, RaH and Fang to create a SUPERBLOCK which controls 99% of the universe'

[K-W]

Originally posted by SpazMonster
Why does 'making a move' politically have to involve allying with another alliance? That seems to be a rather narrow view of things.

Your taking my comment a bit out of context and too literally.

Making a political move generally does mean working with another alliance in some way shape or form by definition. Im not sure what other politcal moves your thinking of, there are some, but they are minor and in most cases are just light variations of working with another alliance. Either way what I said stands. If you could perhaps adress my points rather than picking apart simantics in my posts, I would appreciate it. Id rather not have to write a 10 page essay for every post just so you dont take the post to mean that im not taking things into account that can generally be assumed.

But I can write essays if you want to reply like this. And you can all enjoy reading them.

[Jackal2112]

This round is really relaxing.

I'm at about 100 roids on average getting roided about once a day.

The only thing that's a bit annoying this round is the amount of inactives and farms in a lot of galaxies.

Shame on you evil multis. :eek:

[God]

Originally posted by Razorback
taking roids of me ? doubt it

ehehe , dont doubt it... was possible , it is and it will be...

[Cochese]

Originally posted by Scouse

You don't? That's funny, I seem to remember you doing that exact thing last round.

Really? I didn't know that the last 2 weeks of the round was "mid-round".

Defector

Troll denied, run along back into retirement and stay gone.

Originally posted by djcomplex
your right you usually wait til your alliance is really in this sh*t, maybe around 3/4 of the way thro the round before you ditch them

Usually? I wasn't aware I'd left alliances multiple times for the same reason.

How many alliances have you been in again? Right.

[djcomplex]

Originally posted by Cochese
Really? I didn't know that the last 2 weeks of the round was "mid-round".




Troll denied, run along back into retirement and stay gone.



Usually? I wasn't aware I'd left alliances multiple times for the same reason.

How many alliances have you been in again? Right.

how many alliances have i defected too? oh yes thats it NONE


you left madcows when they most needed you therefore you are teh suck!

[ParraCida]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
(#eclipse) topic- 'Welcome to #eclipse | NO PMing THE OPS WITHOUT PERMISSION! (except Bashar, temp or QD) | Recruiting closed - only on invite | We have allied with LDK, Oly, WP, Ely, Ety, IPC, ToT, RaH and Fang to create a SUPERBLOCK which controls 99% of the universe'

That wasn't even funny 4 rounds ago.

[Jackal2112]

wasnt that what happened last round tho

wait that was 60% of the uni, not 99

[SpazMonster]

Originally posted by K-W
Your taking my comment a bit out of context and too literally.

Making a political move generally does mean working with another alliance in some way shape or form by definition. Im not sure what other politcal moves your thinking of, there are some, but they are minor and in most cases are just light variations of working with another alliance. Either way what I said stands. If you could perhaps adress my points rather than picking apart simantics in my posts, I would appreciate it. Id rather not have to write a 10 page essay for every post just so you dont take the post to mean that im not taking things into account that can generally be assumed.

But I can write essays if you want to reply like this. And you can all enjoy reading them.

What about opposition? Deciding you don't like someone and attacking them? Surely that's a political move.

Before you say 'No. That's a military move.' it directly involves your relationship with every other alliance in the game, thus being political; creating new situations and possiblities.

Don't sit here and say the round's boring when you're the one in control of your own destiny so to speak. If it's boring, it's because that's the way you've decided to make it.

Blaming popular opinion for a lack of action is somewhat spineless don't you think? If you want to do something, do it. Prove people wrong, spin things your way, take some action, but do not blame someone else for your own decisions.

[Cochese]

Originally posted by djcomplex
how many alliances have i defected too? oh yes thats it NONE

My point wasn't that you ever defected, more that you're an alliance hopping whore who isn't in any position to comment on my loyalty--which far exceeds yours, or rather, lack thereof.

you left madcows when they most needed you therefore you are teh suck!

How did they need me? My views and approach to the entire round, from day 1, was completely opposite to theirs. If anything, my departure removed a conflicting element from the descision-making process. Their restructuring this round has proven that without question.

[skipper]

Originally posted by K-W
if this round continues on and finishes as just an exercise in roiding inactive players, anyone who calls it a success should be smacked. This is a war game and thsi is a diplomacy game. THey are important, fun and integeral parts of this game.

The inactivness (or something like that) that this round holds has occured because the round aint real round its just r9.5 not because alliances are going solo. Also even if your going solo you can start a war with another alliance as some have mentioned.

About the allying issue, i think the mainthing is that every alliance goes solo into the round. Allying atm might work without blocks, but as I've said im happy with the way it is going.

P.S. Ofcourse everyone want to see diplomacy in the future, going solo is just something most of the alliances were willing to try to avoid blocks.

[ComradeRob]

Alliances won't start wars if it hurts their chances of winning the round. That applies to every single alliance, and it is the reason that there have been no wars yet.

[Unf_Slasher]

Originally posted by K-W
That would be do to the randomness, not the solo alliances.

not true, rd 8 was random but you needed ****loads of waves on most good gals, because the alliances tried to protect them more (flagship gals etc.)

[SpazMonster]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
Alliances won't start wars if it hurts their chances of winning the round. That applies to every single alliance, and it is the reason that there have been no wars yet.

Please try and speak for your self and your own alliance only. I'd rather not have you as a spokesperson

Don't claim 'boring' when the situation is created of your own actions.

I sense much fear in you :-/

Originally posted by djcomplex
how many alliances have i defected too? oh yes thats it NONE


you left madcows when they most needed you therefore you are teh suck!

You left virus as soon as they started losing. You gave up

You = Lose

[djcomplex]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
You left virus as soon as they started losing. You gave up

You = Lose

LMFAO did i? i was in virus til way after the battle finished

you may go back to knowing nothing now

[K-W]

Originally posted by Unf_Slasher
not true, rd 8 was random but you needed ****loads of waves on most good gals, because the alliances tried to protect them more (flagship gals etc.)

You forget that round 8 was the round of overburn defense. You needed lots of waves to get through the top gals because they were top gals due to the chance of getting lots of active connected players. So yes, hitting active alliance members in round 8 was difficult. In a less defensively oriented round like this one it would be easier. But anyone whos not in an extremely lucky random galaxy can tell you that overall galaxy defense is certainly much much less in a random round.

[K-W]

Originally posted by skipper

P.S. Ofcourse everyone want to see diplomacy in the future, going solo is just something most of the alliances were willing to try to avoid blocks.

No solo is something that the collective opinion pressured alliances to do. Going solo into a round IS a good idea, it means that you start off with just free play and that conflicts develop naturally and that there are more naps and fluid agreements, and because you plan to go solo to start the next round, you dont setup heavy bonds meant to last to the next round. Starting solo at the beginning of a round IS the way PA should be played, but staying solo into the round is NOT. Alliances should be attacking each other, making temporary naps, and swapping sides to get an advantage and every alliance should be shooting for #1. that is the PA I think we all want, and we wont get it with solo only anymore than with powerblocks.

Solo isnt an end, its a means. Lets not forget that.

[K-W]

Originally posted by SpazMonster
What about opposition? Deciding you don't like someone and attacking them? Surely that's a political move.

Before you say 'No. That's a military move.' it directly involves your relationship with every other alliance in the game, thus being political; creating new situations and possiblities.

Don't sit here and say the round's boring when you're the one in control of your own destiny so to speak. If it's boring, it's because that's the way you've decided to make it.

Blaming popular opinion for a lack of action is somewhat spineless don't you think? If you want to do something, do it. Prove people wrong, spin things your way, take some action, but do not blame someone else for your own decisions.

Well im sorry, but it is a military move, not a political move. Ofc it can effect politics, everything can, but that doesnt make everything a political move. So dont go correcting me when you are simply misusing terms. Clearly I meant an actual political move, not a military move that could effect politics. But I guess you "got" me by changing the definition of politics to include everything.

Your being extremely silly spazmonster. Public opinion does matter. this is a political game and the ramifications on other alliances actions of our actions IS something we do and should consider. Im worried about why people actually do what they do, not some misplaced concept of courage.

[Supernova9]

Originally posted by SpazMonster
Please try and speak for your self and your own alliance only. I'd rather not have you as a spokesperson

Don't claim 'boring' when the situation is created of your own actions.

I sense much fear in you :-/

What he said seems to be just logical. No-one would start a war they couldn't win, that would be suicide.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by SpazMonster
Please try and speak for your self and your own alliance only. I'd rather not have you as a spokesperson

Don't claim 'boring' when the situation is created of your own actions.

I sense much fear in you :-/

Or maybe he speaks the truth. It's hardly rocket science. I don't think Rob was speaking on behalf of any alliance, just stating some basics. Alliances don't really want to lose. Currently the main way to lose is to start a war with which to lose. Logical, yes?

[K-W]

Originally posted by Supernova9
What he said seems to be just logical. No-one would start a war they couldn't win, that would be suicide.

Some alliances will start a war they cant win if they either feel that doing nothing will also lead to failure or if they feel some other motivation, such as revenge, or defense of pride. You could add extremely bored to this I suppose, that depends on the alliance and whether the members would rather go into a war than have a chance to win. You cant really fault an alliance for not wanting to sacrifice what theyve worked for, this is a game after all.

[ParraCida]

Somehow you two ganging up on random people is extremely funny to me. I'm sure you can figure out why.

[Scorpio]

I feel like posting against germania and zhil.... for old times' sake

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by ParraCida
Somehow you two ganging up on random people is extremely funny to me. I'm sure you can figure out why.

Me and Rob right? or is it Germania?

I can't bear the tension...

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by ParraCida
Somehow you two ganging up on random people is extremely funny to me. I'm sure you can figure out why.

ironicly the same could be said from you and someone else in the past

rgds Kj

[Razorback]

The biggest change is possibly the 25 ppl galaxys.

In r8 you had 10 ppl galaxys.

So in a fair 1v1 an alliance with 150 members + friends could target 15-20 gals and hit about 20-25 hostile members.

Considering random fire from other allinaces this leaded to a defence weakness.

now with the same amount of players + friends you will only hit 9-10 gals putting only 10 members under fire. For any alliance with halfway active members and galaxys swapping ships ingal + para + cluster alliance this brings a very low chance to hit your single enemy in an viewable painfull way.

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by Razorback
The biggest change is possibly the 25 ppl galaxys.

In r8 you had 10 ppl galaxys.

So in a fair 1v1 an alliance with 150 members + friends could target 15-20 gals and hit about 20-25 hostile members.

Considering random fire from other allinaces this leaded to a defence weakness.

now with the same amount of players + friends you will only hit 9-10 gals putting only 10 members under fire. For any alliance with halfway active members and galaxys swapping ships ingal + para + cluster alliance this brings a very low chance to hit your single enemy in an viewable painfull way.

Why any alliance 'leader' would target full gals when they're at war with an enemy is beyond me ...
Maybe you can' explain it with your vast pool of knowledge.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Psi_K
Why any alliance 'leader' would target full gals when they're at war with an enemy is beyond me ...
Maybe you can' explain it with your vast pool of knowledge.

Even in a random round, galaxies defend each other if you only hit one member.

[Knight Theamion]

spazmonster is deven right ?



Anyway it could be done if you just target 50% of the gals and do a lot of things with fakes.

[Razorback]

Originally posted by Psi_K
Why any alliance 'leader' would target full gals when they're at war with an enemy is beyond me ...
Maybe you can' explain it with your vast pool of knowledge.

might blow now your bubble but with my vaste pool of knowledge i know the word "short eta defence" and "ingalaxy defence".

My galaxy this round and round 8 werent by farest active but one thing anyone could bet about is that if single incomings everyone would defend (considering they have 4-5h time till it ticks to ingalaxy fightereta) and many ppl still leave contact info.

Might not happen for you PSI because ppl dont like you but i usually could count on the gals i was in random or not. Furthermore the amount of ships needed is the problem not the targetting, it clearly doesnt matter if you tgt one planet with the amount of fleets which you would normally use vs 25 planets of the gal. As its the same "waste/use" of power.

[langemann]

There has been rumours about it for some time know, and as leader of Trøndera I'm confirming that we arent playing solo any longer. We have merged with #hemne. Still keeping the Trøndera name though, but now are a huge bunch of 35 ppl powerblocking our way to universe domination. Be afraid, be very afraid....

[WebAngel]

Of course they will tell you that it is an accident.
That 4 or 5 large planets under attack at once by the same set of alliances (lets say olympians/eclipse/elysium and maybe (suspected but still to be confirmed) WP and ToT) is bound to happen because they worship Lady Luck.
Of course that will be some battle groups involved or some para alliances attacking.
The facts are more simple. those alliance are blocking. They don't like to lose hence they are blocking. This attitude is so out dated. Once more some HCs have been weak and have broken their words and are blocking. Welcome to PA-ice-age guys.

P.S.: I don't complain, it is only my point of view, and you know what you should feel ashamed because those alliances are starting a new blocking round because they are not able to do anything alone and it's bad bad bad bad bad. shame on you!

[SpazMonster]

Originally posted by WebAngel
Of course they will tell you that it is an accident.
That 4 or 5 large planets under attack at once by the same set of alliances (lets say olympians/eclipse/elysium and maybe (suspected but still to be confirmed) WP and ToT) is bound to happen because they worship Lady Luck.
Of course that will be some battle groups involved or some para alliances attacking.
The facts are more simple. those alliance are blocking. They don't like to lose hence they are blocking. This attitude is so out dated. Once more some HCs have been weak and have broken their words and are blocking. Welcome to PA-ice-age guys.

P.S.: I don't complain, it is only my point of view, and you know what you should feel ashamed because those alliances are starting a new blocking round because they are not able to do anything alone and it's bad bad bad bad bad. shame on you!

Block?

You know I was actually considering taking bets to see how long it would take you to come on here with this drivel. 2nd time this round I could have made money off my speculations (first was cypher being closed).

[Sn0w]

lasted awhile though some ppl just cant handle some stuff that goes on in the dark, web

[WebAngel]

Originally posted by SpazMonster
Block?

You know I was actually considering taking bets to see how long it would take you to come on here with this drivel. 2nd time this round I could have made money off my speculations (first was cypher being closed).

What are you talking about? I have not posted in here for 1 round and a half. Nice try tho...

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by WebAngel
What are you talking about? I have not posted in here for 1 round and a half. Nice try tho...

And how happy I was during that one round and a half.

[Illegal]

Originally posted by Zh|l
And how happy I was during that one round and a half.

Dont you have a HC / exec staff to get demoted from?

(just joking, long time no see )

[WebAngel]

Originally posted by Zh|l
And how happy I was during that one round and a half.

Well if you want to flame please start another thread, then we will have a nice mud fight
In the meantime, I am posting here to talk about serious matters so please focus on the topic....

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Illegal
Dont you have a HC / exec staff to get demoted from?

(just joking, long time no see )

It's hardly rocket science to figure out I havent exactly been active this round.

I'll make sure AD gets live news to whenever I decide to leave Eclipse and/or Planetarion.

Currently, I seem quite fine in my comfy sofa.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by WebAngel
Well if you want to flame please start another thread, then we will have a nice mud fight
In the meantime, I am posting here to talk about serious matters so please focus on the topic....

Your opinion seems quite lacking on facts (Not the first time this has happened is it?). I can post on "serious matters" too.

[Illegal]

Originally posted by Zh|l
It's hardly rocket science to figure out I havent exactly been active this round.

I'll make sure AD gets live news to whenever I decide to leave Eclipse and/or Planetarion.

Currently, I seem quite fine in my comfy sofa.

/me hugs

[WebAngel]

Originally posted by Zh|l
Your opinion seems quite lacking on facts (Not the first time this has happened is it?). I can post on "serious matters" too.

I have some newscans of current battles as facts but I am not allowed to post any coords, so wait and discuss...
btw, don't get me wrong, it's nice to have you in that community.

[SpazMonster]

Originally posted by WebAngel
I have some newscans of current battles as facts but I am not allowed to post any coords, so wait and discuss...
btw, don't get me wrong, it's nice to have you in that community.

And what exactly would that be evidence of webby? LDK likes to attack with more than one planet at the same time too.