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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 21:40   #1
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Why I hate F-Crew.

For a long time I have hated F-Crew.

At first I thought it was because F-Crew were crap at the game. After a while I realised that whilst this did bug me it wasn't the only factor, there were others. What I will do is present an agrument to the pa forums as to why I hate F-Crew.

- F-Crew are shit.

This has been something that really gripes me in planetarion. I fail to understand what fun one could get from consistently coming last (I mean this in the sense that you guys have never and will never finish first.) It pains me to know that there is are alliances out there that don't want to do their best.

You see the F-Crew pravda would say that they are a training alliance. Stepping stones if you like onto bigger things, but I believe that this is a cover. What is it covering? I think that it is really covering up how crap they are.

Take driving a car, for the first time they will be a bit shit, but they should get better right and indeed they do. But why have F-Crew been consistently crap year on year? I have played with several new players, "trained" them so to speak and they have sometimes ended higher than myself and other galaxy mates.

This leads me onto my second point.

- F-Crew don't train.

Linking onto the last paragraph of my first point, it is my belief that F-Crew don't actually train the players in their alliance. From my understanding F-Crew was and they will claim, still is a training alliance.

Let's for a minute take the bait and believe the party line, that they are there to train new players.

Hello. It's 2007, this game stopped gaining new players circa 2002, there are no new players to train. But let's say there are some new players trickling into the game (I myself find this hard to believe when player numbers are down year on year.)

The training F-Crew must do is rubbish. How many of these new players actually learn the ropes? How many of these new players finish in respectable positions? How many of these new players move onto the upper tier of alliances? (although I would like to refrain from using the upper tier of alliances, as it is my belief there is a lack in todays game of that elite operating, the gameplay of today feels so incestuous I believe I could get into eXilition!)

Like I noted above when I have had new players I have taught them the game, introduced them to contacts, advised them and that's it. I am there to answer questions but for the most part it's in the manual. Everyone can read it and it probably does a better job explaining the mechanics of the game than myself. Nevertheless F-Crew don't seem to do training that well.

- Red Red Whine, Why don't you care?

My gripe with the F-Crew is that they think they are doing a great public service. It is my belief that they are not. What F-Crew will have you believe is that they are better than you because they are shit and take on shit planets. No F-Crew you aren't better than me or anyone else. There are far better alliances at training than F-Crew, one such alliance that doesn't jump on the moral bandwagon of attempting to massage an ego if it moves is that of Subh. Now that is a proper alliance, that trains players to win.

- Ultimately.

It is my belief that F-Crew are essentially losers. Not in the sense of Beck, but in the sense that they don't aim to win. What kind of attitude is that to pass on to new players (if they exist)? For F-Crew to be a truly great training alliance they should aim to win, and train their players to think accordingly.

It's planetarion, not a picnic. I hate to break it to you, F-Crew, but you can have fun winning, in fact it is normally more fun.

- Over to you.

I believe that I am not alone in having a general hatred towards the F-Crew, I could have made a list but that would be boring and not nearly enough wakeyesque in it's approach.

Instead I ask you the readers of the forums, to chip in and say why you love or hate the F-Crew.
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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 21:52   #2
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

hello.

Edit: your post displays the sort of ignorance and arrogance which explains exactlly why you will never 'get' f-crew.
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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 21:56   #3
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I am completely nuetral as to F-Crew as I am returning to the game after many years doing other things like finding a life etc.

I feel though in adding comment about training.

Anyone can read the manuals but that is not always the most valuable information.

Let me explain it this way. A carpenter is a skilled tradesman who has a variety of tools he can use to make something. What makes him a skilled tradesman is in how he uses those tools. Technique is shown and if followed by the apprentice he too can become a skilled tradesman.

PA is similar in that manuals explain the game but it is the combination of what to start with how to build on that what combination of ships in a fleet is the most efficient for each race etc it is those pointers which help new players excell. Everyone in a race wishes to win or get onto the dais. A trainer will instruct his or her student in the art of winning.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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hello.

Edit: your post displays the sort of ignorance and arrogance which explains exactlly why you will never 'get' f-crew.
Then explain/define it.
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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 22:19   #5
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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There are far better alliances at training than F-Crew, one such alliance that doesn't jump on the moral bandwagon of attempting to massage an ego if it moves is that of Subh. Now that is a proper alliance, that trains players to win.
yeah and who is hc of subh? I do believe one of them is ex-f-crew, no wonder they are so good at training, its one of the best hc's the game has seen, a hc whom trained the rest of us at f-crew (apart form thos before his time ofc!).

all your thread says to me is blah blah blah my name is pig, i am a wanker and i hate f-crew for no real reason, it just makes me feel good. I mean really, who gives a toss of you're hatred?

Thanks again for giving me crap to read,

dunno why i bother posting, its not going to put an end to this thread, unless i lower myself to even below your level (if possible) and start an insult fight where the lovely admins decide to close this piece of shit thread!.

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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

what can I say my 2 weeks at f-crew paid off
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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For a long time I have hated F-Crew.

- F-Crew are shit.

This has been something that really gripes me in planetarion. I fail to understand what fun one could get from consistently coming last (I mean this in the sense that you guys have never and will never finish first.) It pains me to know that there is are alliances out there that don't want to do their best.
arrogance. not everyone plays the game for the same reasons, if some like it more for the social aspect then who the **** are you to tell them they shouldn't.

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- F-Crew don't train.

Linking onto the last paragraph of my first point, it is my belief that F-Crew don't actually train the players in their alliance. From my understanding F-Crew was and they will claim, still is a training alliance.

Let's for a minute take the bait and believe the party line, that they are there to train new players.

Hello. It's 2007, this game stopped gaining new players circa 2002, there are no new players to train. But let's say there are some new players trickling into the game (I myself find this hard to believe when player numbers are down year on year.)

The training F-Crew must do is rubbish. How many of these new players actually learn the ropes? How many of these new players finish in respectable positions? How many of these new players move onto the upper tier of alliances? (although I would like to refrain from using the upper tier of alliances, as it is my belief there is a lack in todays game of that elite operating, the gameplay of today feels so incestuous I believe I could get into eXilition!)
ignorance. have you ever played for f-crew? no. your basing your conclusions on a situation that you have no experience of, i like to call that talking out of your ass.

Their are new players, and to suggest otherwise is retarded. if you ask around you'll find a fair few players that started off in f-crew that have moved on.

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- Red Red Whine, Why don't you care?

My gripe with the F-Crew is that they think they are doing a great public service. It is my belief that they are not. What F-Crew will have you believe is that they are better than you because they are shit and take on shit planets. No F-Crew you aren't better than me or anyone else. There are far better alliances at training than F-Crew, one such alliance that doesn't jump on the moral bandwagon of attempting to massage an ego if it moves is that of Subh. Now that is a proper alliance, that trains players to win.
have you ever seen a f-crew player ask for special consideration? more so than any other player that gets pissed when something bad happerns? no. Your imagining some type of martyr mentality when in fact their isn't.

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I believe that I am not alone in having a general hatred towards the F-Crew, I could have made a list but that would be boring and not nearly enough wakeyesque in it's approach.
your hatred of a group of people who you have never been a part of and have no influence over you is pathetic, and highlights the exact problem, that not eveyone plays this game to win, and you seem unable to get this into your head.
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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 22:26   #8
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I'm indifferent to F-Crew, and I do believe that goes both ways. I'd like to keep it like this.

But! pig, was this strictly necessary? What did you hope to achieve here?
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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 22:27   #9
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

fcrew ruuulez ,

unless they attack you, but then it still sux very much to defend your planet. you rather have normal big incoming then incoming with fi/fr/cr/bs in 1 fleet. sometimes without pods.

but yea, i think they rock. unless they attack me
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

Not many allys can say they have played every round since Round 2 though can they?

You have obviously never been a member of F-Crew so your opinion is based on second/third/fourth hand info. In my experience most of what you read on the forums or hear on IRC about F-Crew is hopeless hear say and anti F-Crew propaganda to boast somebody or some allys ego.

This is no different.

People play for different reasons - end of.
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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 23:11   #11
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I know lots of people who dont like F-crew incommings, as they tend to land in most scenarios (a generalisation, but one that holds true if you ask around the community), meaning roid loss. So I wouldn't under estimate them like others in this round are so keen to do.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I think we would call this "crashing", and it's good, because it means earning salvage. A week or so ago I had 4 waves crashing into my planet, which was covered. And though I don't know if that was F-Crew, it was definitely my best night of incomings yet.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I know the terminology Myz. Even so, most will lose roids to f-crew, and salvage doesn't really make up for that.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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Instead I ask you the readers of the forums, to chip in and say why you love or hate the F-Crew.
Back many many moons ago when I was floating around IRC like the butterfly I am, Wakey came into one of the channels I was in and invited us all to participate in an alliance quiz, hosted by F-Crew. Those were fun and sunny days.

I can't quite put my finger on when I lost respect for F-Crew. Maybe it was the ROCK - F-Crew "DDos Incident", maybe its the poorly run attacks which have been speculated about F-Crew, maybe its the fact that Wakey doesnt run the quiz any more, who knows.

I could go longer into a more indepth tirade against F-Crew but I'm quite tired and I'm keeping myself (by my standards) poltical and tame. I'm not a fan of F-Crew, nor will I be for a while until they do something worth while with the member base they have.

F-Crew, prove me wrong*


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Unread 9 Oct 2007, 23:17   #15
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

And to Pig. Why the hatred for people who want to play in a relaxed way, where pa doesn't take up too much of their spare time? As for winning, maybe they are just realistic?

Just because your were in the uber active alliances, it does not give you a right to start a trolling thread for no reason :/
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I believe anyone who cares as much as eXilition and still fails to win to be bigger losers.

At the very least F-Crew obtain their goals (assumption), and dont overly care about this e-penis game(assumption 2). Which a win alltogether.

And they managed to piss off your sorry ass by doing absolutely nothing and claiming nothing of the sort you accuse them of. Thus a double win.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

why should i hate them?
what i have experienced in the last 4 rd´s is that f-crew incs land, no matter what, funny if ur xan def is real, bad thing if you try to fake your def.
so i don´t see any problem here, as long as this ally can live with, around, 50% suicides on each night, i´m fine with it. its there problem not mine.
and if f-crew players loves to crash, so be it, its there game, and i´m sure, they build up an picture here, and they could do a lot better if the would care, imho.

so from me, big hugs to f-crew, i´m allways lucky if i have real def against you guys, as this means salvage, but having fakedef normaly means roid loos.

and i hope u stay with ur playstile, as long as you find ppl, who support you in it, cause i think with a bit scan and recall diszipline you guys could easily land in the top 5.

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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

Oh jesus what a kerfuffle.


pig has some valid points, in some places he is wrong but I can certainly see where he's coming from.


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Your imagining some type of martyr mentality when in fact their isn't.
Sadly, wrong. Try re-reading wakey's AD posts for the last 2-3 years and you'll see where I'm coming from. He will, of course, disagree, but that won't really be a surprise will it


Onto my next point:

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- F-Crew don't train.
This isn't really true. What they do is teach people the ropes of the game, a job that not everyone is willing to do.

However, where I disagree with F-Crew's leaders is their reaction to people leaving. They (F-Crew) may be willing to play the game without aiming for victory, but not everyone wants to play in the same way. F-Crew certainly don't train people in the more complicated attacking styles favoured by the 'elite' alliances.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

i honestly dont see the point of this tirade by you pig i really dont. F-Crew may not do the best job in the world but atleast they try.

id like to mention Orbit in this bracket of alliances, a group of players who aint necessarilly skilled in the game but manage to show what exactly u can do with not very much :P

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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

No need to say much

once again talk coming out of ones ass.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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For a long time I have hated F-Crew.

At first I thought it was because F-Crew were crap at the game. After a while I realised that whilst this did bug me it wasn't the only factor, there were others. What I will do is present an agrument to the pa forums as to why I hate F-Crew.

- F-Crew are shit.

This has been something that really gripes me in planetarion. I fail to understand what fun one could get from consistently coming last (I mean this in the sense that you guys have never and will never finish first.) It pains me to know that there is are alliances out there that don't want to do their best. .
A few points to make here, First of all what top tier allys give new players a chance to play sure if they had too many new players then they would have their chances reduced of winning the round, lets take an ally like 1up they were hardly flooded with new players (which I can picture syn_sid doing a cracking impersonation of alan sugar in the apprentice..... "your'e fired") f-crew usually take in the players that most allys dont look at twice... new or otherwise.

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You see the F-Crew pravda would say that they are a training alliance. Stepping stones if you like onto bigger things, but I believe that this is a cover. What is it covering? I think that it is really covering up how crap they are.
Not everyone is cut out to be a glory hunting &^%$"£*%
and only sing when youre winning (I see absolutely no need to bring up a exil v 1up thread but you get the idea)

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Take driving a car, for the first time they will be a bit shit, but they should get better right and indeed they do. But why have F-Crew been consistently crap year on year? I have played with several new players, "trained" them so to speak and they have sometimes ended higher than myself and other galaxy mates.
Where do you get off on saying who good and whos crap.... f*&king
arrogance.
There is the odd f-crew player that hits the t100 every so often and apparently they are in shit ally (which is your argument) who probily cant hold roids due to lack of def or maybe their BC/DCs are poor who crash their def fleets or do gal raids and forget to planet scan the stockpiller. Periodically a particular player named pig who played in a top tier ally and NOT ONCE appear in the PA wiki as a T100 player. Whats your excuse?

Do you see me doing PIG is a SHIT player thread.... No

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- F-Crew don't train.

Linking onto the last paragraph of my first point, it is my belief that F-Crew don't actually train the players in their alliance. From my understanding F-Crew was and they will claim, still is a training alliance.

Let's for a minute take the bait and believe the party line, that they are there to train new players.

Hello. It's 2007, this game stopped gaining new players circa 2002, there are no new players to train. But let's say there are some new players trickling into the game (I myself find this hard to believe when player numbers are down year on year.)

The training F-Crew must do is rubbish. How many of these new players actually learn the ropes? How many of these new players finish in respectable positions? How many of these new players move onto the upper tier of alliances? (although I would like to refrain from using the upper tier of alliances, as it is my belief there is a lack in todays game of that elite operating, the gameplay of today feels so incestuous I believe I could get into eXilition!)

Like I noted above when I have had new players I have taught them the game, introduced them to contacts, advised them and that's it. I am there to answer questions but for the most part it's in the manual. Everyone can read it and it probably does a better job explaining the mechanics of the game than myself. Nevertheless F-Crew don't seem to do training that well.
everyone has to start playing the game at some point. some later than others. If you think that F-crew training is so shit then show them how it is done....
F-crew have their dignity intact not as if they adopt the old multi-ing, out of tag out gal def tactics now. (yet again I dont fancy digging up the past shames of the game and certain allys)
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What a n00b that pig is, he aint even good enough for fcrew ... he got rejected and is now starting his personal crusade for revenge !
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What a n00b that pig is, he aint even good enough for fcrew ... he got rejected and is now starting his personal crusade for revenge !
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pig, ure to old to even bother about other alliances, and deff about friendly alliances like fcrew. didnt though u would make a threat like this
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However, where I disagree with F-Crew's leaders is their reaction to people leaving. They (F-Crew) may be willing to play the game without aiming for victory, but not everyone wants to play in the same way. F-Crew certainly don't train people in the more complicated attacking styles favoured by the 'elite' alliances.
i left f-crew 3 rounds ago or so now, to aim for victory as you put it, and i'm still on good terms with their 'leaders'.
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i left f-crew 3 rounds ago or so now, to aim for victory as you put it, and i'm still on good terms with their 'leaders'.
What I was generally referring to was ordinary members who had been trained by F-Crew and then left to join bigger alliances. Wakey made a big thing of this a few rounds ago.
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Thanks for your post, it was intelligent, insightful and well written. There are some parts that I agree on r.e. that a manual isn't the best form of training, you are right some guidance of sorts is needed. As to wether or not F-Crew are best to give this is down to debate as I am sure you will agree. A pos rep is flying to your inbox.

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yeah and who is hc of subh?
I was talking about subh of quite a few rounds ago, I am not aware of subh in this round or the last couple so I can't comment. Under Clogg et al they were certainly good at what they did.

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all your thread says to me is blah blah blah my name is pig, i am a wanker and i hate f-crew for no real reason, it just makes me feel good.
I welcome constructive criticism. However I don't think you read my post if that is all the thread says to you, I know wakey long posts are hard to read, but please try again and read it this time.

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I mean really, who gives a toss of you're hatred?
I assume you don't.

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Thanks again for giving me crap to read
I don't think you read it.

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dunno why i bother posting, its not going to put an end to this thread, unless i lower myself to even below your level (if possible) and start an insult fight where the lovely admins decide to close this piece of shit thread!.
No you are right you shouldn't lower yourself below my level, I mean you wouldn't want to be insulting or childish or anything would you?

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arrogance. not everyone plays the game for the same reasons, if some like it more for the social aspect then who the **** are you to tell them they shouldn't.
It's an opinion I am sharing with the public not arrogance. Arrogance would be questiong someones ability to tell someone they shouldn't be doing something.

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have you ever seen a f-crew player ask for special consideration? more so than any other player that gets pissed when something bad happerns? no. Your imagining some type of martyr mentality when in fact their isn't.
I believe Furball covers this point quite well.

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Sadly, wrong. Try re-reading wakey's AD posts for the last 2-3 years and you'll see where I'm coming from. He will, of course, disagree, but that won't really be a surprise will it?
I am in agreement, the opinion that I have gained is that F-Crew are almost above others because they don't play the game the way it is meant to play and help out the small newbies. When in fact I believe they are just shit and using the training thing as a cover.

Game of opinions though eh?

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But! pig, was this strictly necessary? What did you hope to achieve here?
I hoped to achieve a debate, as the last paragraph of my post stated.

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- Over to you.

I believe that I am not alone in having a general hatred towards the F-Crew, I could have made a list but that would be boring and not nearly enough wakeyesque in it's approach.

Instead I ask you the readers of the forums, to chip in and say why you love or hate the F-Crew.
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=Smudge]I can't quite put my finger on when I lost respect for F-Crew. Maybe it was the ROCK - F-Crew "DDos Incident", maybe its the poorly run attacks which have been speculated about F-Crew, maybe its the fact that Wakey doesnt run the quiz any more, who knows.

I could go longer into a more indepth tirade against F-Crew but I'm quite tired and I'm keeping myself (by my standards) poltical and tame. I'm not a fan of F-Crew, nor will I be for a while until they do something worth while with the member base they have.

F-Crew, prove me wrong*
Thanks for giving your opinion, your last line is crucial to me "until they do something worth while with the member base they have." I would like to see that too.

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And to Pig. Why the hatred for people who want to play in a relaxed way, where pa doesn't take up too much of their spare time? As for winning, maybe they are just realistic?

Just because your were in the uber active alliances, it does not give you a right to start a trolling thread for no reason :/
There is no hatred for people who want to play in a relaxed style, I am a member of ascendancy for quite a few rounds, playing uber active is hardly my gig anymore.

I also dispute your use of trolling. This is quite a well structured thread, with what I believe well thought out points, good grammar, spelling and punctuation. It also allows debate and isn't a lecture akin to Hitler in 1938 Nazi Germany. Alas if you wanted to see trolling, just look at some posts in this thread.

Then again it is not myself to decide what trolling is, it's down to the mods. Like furball said, you have a problem with it, report it and they will look at it.

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I believe anyone who cares as much as eXilition and still fails to win to be bigger losers.

At the very least F-Crew obtain their goals (assumption), and dont overly care about this e-penis game(assumption 2). Which a win alltogether.
I am in agreement with parts of this post, it's pretty much well thought out and a good opinion.

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And they managed to piss off your sorry ass by doing absolutely nothing and claiming nothing of the sort you accuse them of. Thus a double win.
Ashame you ruined it with this part. There is no need to be rude to me as a person. F-Crew haven't done a thing to me, not to my knowledge, I just don't like them as my points in my original post stated.

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what i have experienced in the last 4 rd´s is that f-crew incs land, no matter what, funny if ur xan def is real, bad thing if you try to fake your def.
You highlight a problem that some of my friends have commented on in the past. F-Crew mass landing on planets, without a care in the world. This isn't actually training, this is piss poor fleet management.

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However, where I disagree with F-Crew's leaders is their reaction to people leaving. They (F-Crew) may be willing to play the game without aiming for victory, but not everyone wants to play in the same way. F-Crew certainly don't train people in the more complicated attacking styles favoured by the 'elite' alliances.
This was actually a point I wanted to bring up and I believe should be highlighted and discussed by others.

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No need to say much

once again talk coming out of ones ass.
Thanks for that post. In the UK when one says one, they are reffering to themselves, so do you mean that talk is coming out of your arse or mine? Please enlighten me. Ta.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

Pig, you are an idiot.

Your claim that F-crew dont train, is simply idiotic.

I first joined PA on r22, and i saw many guys, in addition of myself, joining for a first round, and get taught the ropes of the game.
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i finished a tad bit out of t100, i could have been higher, but alas, things happen.

This round, i myself have been responsible for the recruitment and training, i was promoted to BC status midway of r22, and i am still a valuable part of the team.

this round, i got stuck in a inactive gal in which only actives were F-crew, and yet i am sitting close to t50, in the midst of all those guys from the "elite" allies, like eXi. Also, i have not crashed a single fleet, and i am one of the top deffers in f-crew.

And guess what? I am still with them. Sure, the idea of leaving the Crew crossed my mind, but, i have set nothing in stone. sure, if i was part of an elite alli, i might be t20, which i was for few hundred tick, until landing on any worthy targs became nearly impossible.

So all in all, your points are moot, sheer idiocy and ignorance.
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What I was generally referring to was ordinary members who had been trained by F-Crew and then left to join bigger alliances. Wakey made a big thing of this a few rounds ago.
i was an ordinary member, f-crew was my first alliance and i left to join a bigger alliance. you like pig are making mountains out or molehills.
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i was an ordinary member, f-crew was my first alliance and i left to join a bigger alliance. you like pig are making mountains out or molehills.
You evidently weren't present in #alliances when wakey went on one of his many rants about F-Crew members leaving then, circa Round 16
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You evidently weren't present in #alliances when wakey went on one of his many rants about F-Crew members leaving then, circa Round 16
evidently not, but was he on about members leaving? or alliances who made unrealistic promises to f-crew members convincing them to leave midround. every hc gets pissed off when their members get poached.
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evidently not, but was he on about members leaving? or alliances who made unrealistic promises to f-crew members convincing them to leave midround. every hc gets pissed off when their members get poached.
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And we're back to square one. Congratulations.

so he had a rant about members leaving once, so? as much as i respect wakey saying that he is f-crew and that he is the sole hc and runs everything is misguided at best. most of the hc and command i played with never post on here, grouping peoples bad m'kay?
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so he had a rant about members leaving once, so?
More than one. Several times in fact. Enough times that it got incredibly tiring.

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as much as i respect wakey saying that he is f-crew and that he is the sole hc and runs everything is misguided at best.
Yet he is the principal (sole?) external representative, why is it so surprising?
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Yet he is the principal (sole?) external representative, why is it so surprising?
it's not, it just brings us back to the point about basing assumptions on 2nd/3rd hand information when the reality bears little relation to those assumptions.
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Unread 10 Oct 2007, 01:30   #38
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

its all very well moaning about been good,

but the games pointless if you dont have a good time while you play it.

talking and learning tactics aswell as only ever comminicating in the ally when it comes to targets and def might be fine for some but most just want to play the game(casually or more) and enjoy it.

teaching the new players how to taylor att and def fleets is easy however having the ones that arent willing to put in the hours that some do, to get the uber high rank simply will never happen unless the player wants to do it.
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Unread 10 Oct 2007, 02:25   #39
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I fail to see the "usage" of F-Crew to be honest, because which alliance doesnt train a new member if he joins their alliance? I would say everyone does. Maybe less players that havent played before will be able to join exilition or any of the big allies, but there is always the second tier alliances that offer good homes for players, and come on now, be honest, playing for a second tier alliance with atleast a remote possibility of winning is more fun than playing for an alliance that instantly admits that they will lose, and has no chances whatsoever to win the game.

Maybe someone from F-Crew could clarify one thing to me, how many of their players return the following round?

Let me use my own alliance as an example, true, we haven't been able to win a round yet, but we've at least tried. the satisfaction of actually trying to win made great fun for the people playing within the ally, and they had fun. Each round we have returning players who likes to play for the ally, Im sure F-Crew has that too, what I fail to see is, what makes F-Crew different from any other alliance trying to get new players to play for them.

Everyone is doing the same job as you are, and some of them are even making better players, and give their new recruit a taste of winning/victory or being a part of the struggle for victory.

So to be honest, F-Crew isn't really that different from any other alliance.

And please, do not use the argument, I've never been in F-Crew so I couldnt possible know how it is to be in F-Crew. I am pretty sure everyone knows a little about other alliances, either they want to or not.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I'm personally indifferent to F-Crew, bordering on the line of hostility to them simply because of the differences in thought of 1up command and themselves. (Oh the Sid/wakey discussions were always fun to read).

wakey himself never really seemed to understand the higher levels, as testamount to his varying discussions with Sid and blatant anti-1up traide in history. I cant remember any significant incidents, but I know Sid grew tired of trying to teach wakey + F-crew anything and left them to their own life.

1up taught new players too guys, we took in a bunch of new players remember? My best friend in real life was taken on in the later rounds and he became officer within the alliance WITHOUT any intervention on my part - simply because he took the advise he was given and worked hard for it.

What does that show? That you can be a top alliance AND teach players.

It's a pity, because I think wakey really does mean the game well, but I dont think the game wakey is playing is actually the same one that the rest of us are. (or would indeed like too)
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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Then explain/define it.
Phil^ did my moderating for me please carry on.

First post has an attempt at justification at every step, thus the post is good.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

Kargool, it seems you didn't try to win last round that much, because you never attacked Vgn at the end. Just thought someone should point that out to you.
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Kargool, it seems you didn't try to win last round that much, because you never attacked Vgn at the end. Just thought someone should point that out to you.
Yeah, because backstabbing your friends is exactly what kind of game style TGV prefers.

I can't really be arsed to say more on the subject as I've explained the reasons for what we did numerous times.
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Maybe someone from F-Crew could clarify one thing to me, how many of their players return the following round?
I'd say about 50%.

I think the difference in F-Crew is the level of players that we're willing to take in. I'd imagine (although don't know for certain) that perceived bigger alliances wouldn't take first-time players in without vouches about their activity, and wouldn't take players who were trying the game out for the first time and not sure if they want to stay in the game. I think what F-Crew has benefited from is that a lot of people see them as an alliance that takes in smaller/noobish players, and we get a lot of referrals from gals telling new galmates that.

This worked a lot better when PA had a lot more players than it has now, I suppose. There's enough of a trickle of new players still coming though for me to say that I think about 20% of our recruitment is people playing their first round or people who have never been in an alliance. Especially with the number of people who came back after playing "old" style PA (particularly last round) we also teach people the intricacies of "new" PA.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

haha this thread really made me laugh.

Sure you might have your reasons for hating f-crew, but does that justify you taking it out on them like that on public forums? I think not. Everybody has their own playstyle and goals. Personally I always play to win, eventhough I know that's improbabal or maybe even impossible with the amount of experience and hours I can play. But still I have fun playing the game. And I bet most players in F-Crew have fun playing the game aswell, in their own way.

An other thing that has come to my attention is the amount of threads like this on the forums. And by "this" I mean threads filled with negativity.
The playerbase is shrinking, has been for god knows how long now, and wether you like it or not this kind of mentality contributes to this shrinkage in players.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I am ok with f-crew, i find it odd how they dnt play to win or get a highish rank but if that is what they want to do then who am i to tell them " no u have to play PA to win".

In relation to threads about big alliances not taking new players, tis bollocks the top 1-3 are harder to get into but everyone else will accept u pretty much provided u can be active. likly they will give u an interview and then place u on some kind of trial out of tag to see if u will make the grade.

However having the balls to go upto say Destiny or VGN and say " hi this is my first round and i need an alliance" is a challenge for new people. Tis much easier to go to an alliance ala f-crew and say "hi i want to join, i have never played pa before teach me". As f-crew have the mentality to recruit pretty much anything that can talk or move.

I would also question how much training goes on beyond the standard eg...

" - BC notice - Attacks are coming in 5 mins please all join channel #xyz and the key is LetsNotCrashThisTime-"

<player> ok how do i join a chan

<BC/older member> type /j #xyz LetsNotCrashThisTime

<player> ty now how do i claim a target

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and so on until it gets onto more advanced PA such as tailoring an attack fleet to target specific races or cross deffing in gal or fleeet catching or launch and recall. Now i have never been f-crew and so do not know what goes on beyond how to get members into attack chans and claiming targets. i dnt know if they go into details about what makes a good target or what. f-crewers please do tell if there is any 'training' beyond the standard game basics. What im trying to get at here is if f-crew are not training beyond simply how to attack and def then they are not training at all. Any alliance u join will tell u how to attack and def, the higher u go the more advanced tactics the bc will use and u might have to ask but it has always been my experiance that the bc will generally tell u what u have to do or if he/she is busy find someone who can.

If f-crew were to ditch the training alliance bollocks and move onto calling themselves a fun alliance just out to enjoy PA and if it so happens that u get a good rank then hey ala orbit. Then less people will have a problem with the crashing and the shitness as they know f-crew are just out for a laugh and a joke. but all the time they hide behind the training alliance banner they are not helping themselves unless they are producing top100 planets for other alliances round on round.

just a rather long 2 cents

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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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As f-crew have the mentality to recruit pretty much anything that can talk or move.
And shag anything that can talk or move to be honest.
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

I personally think that F-Crew have the right attitude to the game. They play with a style that looks after ALL of their players. Sometimes a Mass of defence is enough to put off incs.

Their channels are absolute fun to be in and never ever mention Vicars!
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

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Yeah, because backstabbing your friends is exactly what kind of game style TGV prefers.

I can't really be arsed to say more on the subject as I've explained the reasons for what we did numerous times.

Now I am just a n00b, but surely politics should not get in the way of winning. If you take turns to win rounds, is that not cheating?

/edited take turns to win a round..
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Re: Why I hate F-Crew.

lol this was a good read. thank you pig, you never cease to amaze me A little harsh perhaps, but you made some good points.

Wakey, when can i expect to read your reply to this thread? I always love to read your inputs
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