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Unread 30 Nov 2008, 05:24   #1
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Solve the scanner-problem soon?

can we get some discussion going on about solving the scanner-issue. I dont think the current way is good in any way.

my suggestion is:

- "Waves" is rebuilt totally so that when you enter "Waves" the options will be build amps/dists and research scans.

- Researching scans and building amps/dists will be held outside "Construction" and "research" so that you can both building amps/dists and research scans while you do your main research and constructions.

- Researching all the way up to incomingscan can be done before tick 80. Then jgp/au can be done before tick 110.

- Building amps/dists should be at equal speed for all races and governments. lets say 10 ticks to build. You can not build both dists and amps at the same time.

- You pay for securityguards. Lets also pay a fee to have scans and amps. The more amps you have the more you have to pay to uphold them. lets say you pay 100 of each resource a tick to have 1 amp and 100 of each resource to uphold 1 disorter. you pay 1000 of each resource a tick to access a new type of scan. Just a suggestion, as numbers can be changed.¨

- Cost of using scans is free


Benefits of this is:

- Players dont need to rely on alliances for scans.

- They can choose to pay a certain amount of their resources a tick for advantages like incomingscan and jgp when they need it in a hurry

- Having disorters or amps AND finance-centres

- You can both be a scanner AND play a planet from tick 0. With a sacrifice of paying to uphold scans and amps.

- More individual gameplay


Example: A player pays to unlock scans in order and at tick 110 he is paying 8000 a tick to use AU. He also have built 11 amps which is max at that point. He will be paying a total of 9100 a tick of each resource to use scans. On the other hand scanning itself will be free. This player have now chosen to sacrifice the income of 78 roids if he has 40% bonus to have scans. But since he also could research his normal techtree while he did scans he¨can easily match that lost income by either researching mining or unlock HC4 or 5

Hope to read more suggestions, and please read mine closely and come up with changes. Mine is just a thought about how id like it to look like
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Unread 30 Nov 2008, 11:18   #2
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

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I disagree with giving everyone all the information available. I would prefer a system in which people can get the 2 basic scans within 12 hours, and everything else takes longer. These two scans are the minimum required for everyone to be able to play solo:
1) Cloak Scan: a unit scan which shows cloaked ships. It retains the uncertainty the current unit scan has.
2) Enhanced Landing Scan: a jumpgate probe which can be done at eta4 and shows all the info the normal jgp does.

I don't think people should be able to get incoming scans so easily, because it gives a considerable tactical advantage. Reusing the old techtree, this becomes:
3) Development Scan
4) News Scan
5) Incoming scan

The last two scans are proper JGP and AU, for the dedicated scanners. I have no problem with dedicated scanners per se, I have a problem with there being a requirement to have one of them to be able to play the game at all. Dedicated scanners at this point become a useful addition, rather than a basic requirement:
6) Jumpgate Probe
7) Advanced Unit Scan

When players only need to do 2 researches to be able to play the game, there is no longer a requirement for dedicated scanners, they just come in handy for accuracy (AU) and galraids (JGP). This also means there is no particular need to seperate the scanning tech tree from the normal one, because so little time is lost.


Amps/Dists
I'm not sure about seperating dists and amps from the normal constructions. For amps, the same arguments apply that do for the scanning tree. On the other hand, distwhoring could be significantly more useful, especially if amps and dists aren't limited to 150, and become a little cheaper. It might be inconsistent, but I think I kind of like it.


Tick-by-tick Fee
Paying a tick-by-tick fee for scans is a big no-no for me. You're basically undoing all the good your first suggestions would do by making it cost so many resources. You're encouraging alliances to get a handful of scanners who pay the fee every tick, rather than make everyone get the scans for themselves.


As you've by now undoubtedly been able to tell, I disagree with most of your suggestions. I agree that something needs to be done about the scanner problem, and I think that most of your ideas do in fact go a long way towards solving it. Despite that I think your solutions take the game in the wrong direction, and make it less interesting in the long run.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Move waves to cov-ops, and have the agents/secrurity guards battle out who wins.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

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I disagree with giving everyone all the information available. I would prefer a system in which people can get the 2 basic scans within 12 hours, and everything else takes longer. These two scans are the minimum required for everyone to be able to play solo:
1) Cloak Scan: a unit scan which shows cloaked ships. It retains the uncertainty the current unit scan has.
2) Enhanced Landing Scan: a jumpgate probe which can be done at eta4 and shows all the info the normal jgp does.
I like this one best. Its easy to implement aswell and should be free to use

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I'm not sure about seperating dists and amps from the normal constructions. For amps, the same arguments apply that do for the scanning tree. On the other hand, distwhoring could be significantly more useful, especially if amps and dists aren't limited to 150, and become a little cheaper. It might be inconsistent, but I think I kind of like it.
Well it would be favourable to the most active ones as you could be immune to scans if you never missed a tick. Perhaps make every dist/amp more expensive like roids

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I like this one best. Its easy to implement aswell and should be free to use
I see no particular reason to make scans free, but I also have no particular objections. If it makes people happy, fine by me.

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Well it would be favourable to the most active ones as you could be immune to scans if you never missed a tick. Perhaps make every dist/amp more expensive like roids
Every dist/amp already gets more expensive, so nothing would change there.

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You just said above that we would still need dedicated scanners. Why say different here. You do know that the problem is not financing the scans, its having scanners enough to cover peak times when people need the scans.
The problem is that without scanners, you can't do anything in this game. By making people pay a certain amount of resources every tick to have scans available, you're making it worthwhile for people to refrain from researching scans at all, and instead rely on a few dedicated alliance scanners.

On the other hand, if you just make each scan cost a certain amount of resources, it doesn't matter if top planet A does it, or scan planet B.

The way I envision scanning should work is that everyone can scan their own incomings, pick their own targets and do their own JGP scans. It should still be possible for people to specialise in scans, but the rewards should be minimal (ie, high amps, accurate unit scans and jumpgate probes on any planet, even if not under attack).
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1) Cloak Scan: a unit scan which shows cloaked ships. It retains the uncertainty the current unit scan has.
2) Enhanced Landing Scan: a jumpgate probe which can be done at eta4 and shows all the info the normal jgp does.
This has been floating around for aaaages and I still think it's the best KISS solution that's been suggested. Should already have been done IMO.
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can we get some discussion going on about solving the scanner-issue. I dont think the current way is good in any way.

my suggestion is:

- "Waves" is rebuilt totally so that when you enter "Waves" the options will be build amps/dists and research scans.

- Researching scans and building amps/dists will be held outside "Construction" and "research" so that you can both building amps/dists and research scans while you do your main research and constructions.
This allows scans for everyone which aint bad imo
I wouldnt mind MZs thinking either, but simply having an own intel page would make more sense to me.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Having free scans with a cost per tick will [still] require having xp gained per scan dropping for every scan made.


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Move waves to cov-ops, and have the agents/secrurity guards battle out who wins.
I came up with this idea in 2005 [2] and everyone shot it down.


I can see two issues with having amps/dists separate from constructions:

1) Everyone becomes a dist whore or an amp whore, or attempts for somewhere in between. Allowing the smaller players scans earlier is fine, but I can't see any way that it won't have a much larger proportion of the universe going for distorters, which means that scanners will be required in the top alliances as much / more than before.

2) You've reduced the choices to be made in terms of constructions - instead of finance centres or distorters, it's finance centres AND distorters. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but are there many other sorts of tactics at the moment?


Overall, I think further changes in this area might occur though
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Distorters aren't a viable strategy right now anyway. The only construction worth building a lot of is FCs. You're right though, separating dist/amps from constructions is something I'm not yet sure about myself either.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

I agree with mz, atm everyone goes for as many fcs as possible, sometimes with a few more factories if stockpiling,a few disds if xan or a few amps if worried about xan! taking out the amps/disds takes away a part of the equation, but atm will make little difference as most people will only build up to 10 at most of one or the other as they need finance centers.

overall to solve this dilemma more constructions that are potentially as useful are really needed, why not have a construction needed for cov ops (or does this complicate things yet further in that area?)
I know it has been suggested before but now that sks are used but certainly not all the time why not have some form of pds as a construction probably firing simultaneous with sks?
a construction that gives a salvage bonus?
constructions that allow you to shift the limits on population (particularly thinking shipwrights and security guards)?

I also think there would need to be more dynamics than a simple do I build amps or do I build distorters, how about you assign amps or distorters to doing or blocking a particular type of scan?

all full of holes I know, but still a possibility to allow for change from the monotony of fcs!
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

The construction problem is a separate topic though, it doesn't have much to do with this one. Ditto for the cov ops topic. I have some half-formed ideas for both of them, but this isn't really the place.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

I disagree with the enhanced landing scan, I can't see why an alliance wouldn't have a scanner doing gal scans on attack, yes this would help people playing solo but wouldn't it be better if they joined an alliance? An alliance with organised attacks would be more beneficial than trying to play solo surely?

And wouldn't the cloak scan make Xan as a race redundant?

Are you suggesting that either of these would be amp dependent? (Unlike the current landing scan)
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Yes, it would be better if they joined an alliance. But almost no one does so during their first round, and many leave before they reach that point. The landing scan was added to ensure people can play without joining an alliance, but in my opinion it falls short of achieving that.

The cloak scan would not make Xan redundant. Their strength lies in fakes, not in being invisible. The introduction of cloak scans does not effect a significant reduction in the strength of faking.

As for Amp dependent landing scans... this is a dilemma. Part of me wishes to restore disting to its former strength (ie, to a more or less equal level as FCs) and this part wants to make dists block landing scans. Another part of me wants to make sure people can play the game without significant investment in scanning (max 24 hours research and 10 amps). I feel uncomfortable expressing a clear preference at this point and would love to hear ideas to combine disting with low investment scanning.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Ahhh I see. I was thinking you were saying the cloak scan would be like an incoming scan, not a general scan. Would these be only available to the planet under attack? If so I do see the point, but I dislike the idea of them being available to all.
Maybe to fit in with the whole solo planet idea only untagged planets could conduct the scan(s)?
It's tricky trying to find the right balance.
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Ahhh I see. I was thinking you were saying the cloak scan would be like an incoming scan, not a general scan. Would these be only available to the planet under attack? If so I do see the point, but I dislike the idea of them being available to all.
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Maybe to fit in with the whole solo planet idea only untagged planets could conduct the scan(s)?
It's tricky trying to find the right balance.
What are you trying to balance?
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

there is no reason it could not work like an incoming scan and only be avaliable when your planet is under attack by that planet, so long as it shows the whole fleet rather than what is incoming to you.

however this would defeat part of the point of such a scan which would be to allow solo players to attack xan's and etds earlier than the middle of the round.

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Maybe to fit in with the whole solo planet idea only untagged planets could conduct the scan(s)?
It's tricky trying to find the right balance.
this would mean it would have to become 'unlocked' when a player leaves an alliance and 'locked' again when he joins one, which seems rather odd!
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Since this is apparently the appropriate discussion thread, I will continue my thoughts from Planetarion Suggestions thread "Galaxy Scanner(s)" here. : )

Summary: My suggestion is to allow galaxies to elect scanners much in the same way alliances do, with the ability to use galaxy funds for galaxy scans. Kenny suggested this be augmented by a galaxy tax option.

Yes, most people currently look to alliances for scanning. However, there are many instances where a galaxy scanner is more efficient.

I read this thread. However, more and more I'm noticing that galaxy unity is being passed over and activity is dissipating by end round. Ofc, you could say that is the case universe-wide.

Perhaps this is (partially) because the options available to alliances are not offered to galaxies.

Also, the alliances may be interested in the thought that their scanners will be able to use galaxy funds for galaxy scans (or scanners may be offended by the suggestion they'd use ally funds to do galaxy scans *shrug*). This would allow for galaxies to actually keep intel for themselves should they so choose.

Really, all I'm suggesting (in self-interest) is it would be nice to not have to pay out of pocket the resources it takes to jpg scan a galaxy each evening and to prepare calcs for incoming hostiles.

Completely revamping the research/ construction portion of waves is another way to go, however there are pros and cons to each side... and these are not likely to be reconciled and/ or compromised in a speedy fashion (nor should they be).

Not only that, but much of the debate in this category is about increasing possible gameplay avenues via scanning. This may not be as complex a suggestion, but it would still allow galaxies more options for defensive and offensive maneuvering.

Anyway... as for making scans available to all (especially for a simple fee-based structure), I don't really agree. To me part of the ability to be successful in this game is based on well, social networking. If you don't choose to research scans yourself, know your gal m8s or have ally m8s willing to scan for you, that's your handicap to overcome.

It would also make attacks and defenses much simpler for the top income planets compared to the lower ones and nubs.

I think I'll leave the rest of my critique for another day. I'm beginning to get all sleepily verbose and Latinate, and that can't be a good thing.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

I have yet to hear a single argument against giving everyone early access to the most basic scans (cloak scan and enhanced land scan). All I've hear so far is "I don't like it" and "there are cons". I will happily accept I'm wrong if someone can point out why.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

I dont think ur wrong at all, but in this thread http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=197227 aswell as further up i suggest that we move amps/dists to waves-section. Then its a more valid option i think
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

why not combine the old system with the current scanning system
scans had to be ordered in the earlier rds so why not bring this back within the current system ,
so if an alliance is hitting two gals then the ally scanner has to make sure they have ordered enough jgp's and au's etc
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why not combine the old system with the current scanning system
scans had to be ordered in the earlier rds so why not bring this back within the current system ,
so if an alliance is hitting two gals then the ally scanner has to make sure they have ordered enough jgp's and au's etc
This suggestion has no up sides.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Planetarion again, is a strategic game that based not only on what an individual ruler can do, but also how well you can network and interact.

Galaxies, Cluster, Alliances are there for a reason, and people aren't leaving the game b/c the scans are unavailable to all.

If you join this game and choose not to sign up for an alliance right away, that's your issue. Every single player (not pathologically agoraphobic or egocentric), not to mention the manual, will advise a new player to get on IRC, make contact with gal m8s, read the recruitment forums and join an ally asap. At which point they will have scans available to them.

A ruler must prioritize, decide what her/ his planet is going to put first... If scanning is important enough, you will sacrifice researching hulls, being able to mine all your asteroids, cov ops, etc. And you will deal with a slower rate of production or less income or slower research to build amps... much like those that wish to keep fleets hidden must sacrifice to build dists.

The system set up now isn't broken. There are tweaks that may make it more useable and useful, and I don't particularly thing any ideas are bad... but some are just making complications for complications sake.

If you want to "fix" a problem, try the problem of dependence on scans for strategy, rather than strategy supported by scanning. By end round we do a full battery of scans, then bcalc, then send at the same time every day... checking the jpg and pulling at eta 4- when there's too much def... after scanning them and adding them to the calc. It's all rigid and monotonous... for the magority.

My choices are to wait until mid round, then research scans, amps to a point where I can scan for myself if no ally scanner is available... and I also go uni, and skip the fc's until I've got enough dists to be sure no planet I target can scan me should I decide to fake my fi/co as cr/bs at them. Like my Race, my Gov't, and when to use my upgrade bonus, its my strategy!

Frankly the cloak scan is something I don't want to see. I've never played a cloaked race, but I would think that Xans/Etds would take a strategic hit for the entire round if any planet could figure out quickly what ships they have (+ or - up a %age), or especially what ships are coming.

The Incoming scan, the Jumpgate Scan and the Advanced Unit are specialized. You have to actively pursue waves early to get access to them, and it allows there to be more excitement in the early round.

If anything I'd make the scans take more Research Units, give more of a challenge to the early game. I'd also consider an Xp increase dependent on how many dists you had to overcome, or something similar to the larger the planet you attack the more Xp for landing...

And I'm still wondering about a possibility of a gal scanner.
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Frankly the cloak scan is something I don't want to see. I've never played a cloaked race, but I would think that Xans/Etds would take a strategic hit for the entire round if any planet could figure out quickly what ships they have (+ or - up a %age), or especially what ships are coming.
"What ships are coming" is figured by the Incoming Scan (Fleet Analysis Scan) which you reference. The Cloak Scan would have nothing to do with that, so i don't see how that could ever be an argument about not implementing it. As it is, the Cloak Scan would not show any information that isn't available already in the current system (AU).

The cloak mechanic is helpful where you build a few dists (optional) and you can send pods only (in the case of xan) or make people wonder if there are any Ghosts (+other cloaked ships) or how many were sent (in the case of etd). In no way, shape, or form would faking be affected by allowing scans to show cloaked ships earlier. The only way to actually determine what is being sent at you is to dedicate time researching scans to get Incoming Scans and then have the amps to back them up.
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While what you say is true, new players who sign up for the first time are generally bewildered at the game. In the current situation, we expect them to understand the all of the strategy involved in PA, we expect them to join IRC, we expect them to join an alliance, find a decent gal or buddypack, to understand defence, attacks and how to get scans. And I haven't even mentioned everything they have to learn in the game itself, which has a pretty steep learning curve all on its own.

By giving everyone easy access to the most important scans, we take away a few of those many requirements, increasing the chance people stick around longer than the initial 2 hours after signing up.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

The signup mail should include info how to get inside the community.

The menu could be changed to put them links under topics, to make it more clear.

Help files:
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Galaxy (friendly):
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Community:
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Link to www.irc.com if allowed.
Some ingame chat link, if possible.

Alliance page must include some info on each alliance, some basic lines and there should be some colour/light/message system to tell their recruiting status and how to join it.

Also easier registering form is a very good idea.
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If scanning is important enough, you will sacrifice researching hulls, being able to mine all your asteroids, cov ops, etc. And you will deal with a slower rate of production or less income or slower research to build amps... much like those that wish to keep fleets hidden must sacrifice to build dists.
It depends on how you think PA should be.

Personally, I like the idea of being able to play to a basic level (which requires certain scans) without an alliance. You can't tell a new player that they have to sit around for 72 hours doing nothing, then can't attack for a load more ticks because they don't yet have scans, or they have to download another program and get it to work etc before they can play the basic game. It could be killing off a lot of potential long term players because they lose interest too soon.

Alliances would add plenty of strategy by suppling ampwhores, news scans, AUs etc.

IMO, giving a series of basic scans to everyone is the best idea because it's simple and it lets new people play.

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Frankly the cloak scan is something I don't want to see. I've never played a cloaked race, but I would think that Xans/Etds would take a strategic hit for the entire round if any planet could figure out quickly what ships they have (+ or - up a %age), or especially what ships are coming.
The biggest strength of cloak is the zero ship defence, and wonderful faking opportunities. Xands and etds can take the small hit to improve the quality of the game for the majority IMO.
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It could be killing off a lot of potential long term players because they lose interest too soon.
This. This is important.
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can we get some discussion going on about solving the scanner-issue. I dont think the current way is good in any way.
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losing time for scans is costy, hence there will be allways alliance muppets for it and its not fair for those muppets nor the ones whom lack the alliance.
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

So, you're a nub to the game. You sign up, get your shiny new baby planet, then go wtf am I supposed to do now?

I for one remember I just wanted a better manual.

lol, I don't think PA loses interest due to being unable to scan prompty. Especially, since the new player would likely have to take more than two ticks to figure out scanning anyway.

PA is losing interest of players new and old due to RL situations, personality politics, and the plethora of crazily addicting gomes where you actually SEE what you're playing.

I think we're going to have to disagree about this. I dislike the reliance on and necessity of scans in general. Personally, the changes to the game that I'd like to see are minimal, but more apt to get players involved with the community sooner. It's the community that keeps or loses players, imho... and yes, you need to find an irc client (also available in web browsers rather than separate programs!).

My only suggestion thus far is the addition of a galaxy scanner option.

And while I know these ideas are being presented for the nubs, it seems that they would easily be exploited. Anyway, I'll let you comment on this before going into that...
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This is a java powered IRC client you can use directly off of the PA website, called the Com Unit
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

New Quest: Research all scans and build 20 amps

Reward : Gal Vortex Gate (-1 eta in gal)

should encourage more people to get some kind of scan ability right?
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Re: Solve the scanner-problem soon?

Or maybe just do it the easy way. Jesus.
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