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Unread 12 Jul 2011, 19:43   #51
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Re: Declaration of War

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Same argument goes both ways. Apprime stated at start of round they would hit CT all round and they have been, with other alliances.

'Here we are deciding who wins?' Sure. Who is it you have decided who wins? Care to say publically?

CT v APP alone, I just made a public offer of it, your guys declined. You say you would win easily but they actually made every excuse you can think of.
Think you need to get your facts straight, as we havent been hitting CT all round at all.

Also, like was stated "publically" in #apprime you are offering a challenge only when you have a roid and value lead, which you have held pretty much all round. Plus 1 vs 1 will never happen regardless to how much you say you can make it happen...Come back next rd and fight 1 vs 1 when (bar numbers, which will always be case) you can challenge us 1 vs 1 on an even footing in terms of roids/value...but of course you won't....
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Re: Declaration of War

give it a rest Forest, last time CT/App really went 1on1 was r40 and they probably wont want that again.
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CT v APP alone, I just made a public offer of it, your guys declined. You say you would win easily but they actually made every excuse you can think of.

So let me get this straight, you want a 1 on 1 war 5.5 weeks into the round? after you blocked with TGV, ND, p3n, ToF, rock and ds against them, resulting in a 40 mil value advantage over them? yeah sounds like a fair fight.
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Think you need to get your facts straight, as we havent been hitting CT all round at all.

Also, like was stated "publically" in #apprime you are offering a challenge only when you have a roid and value lead, which you have held pretty much all round. Plus 1 vs 1 will never happen regardless to how much you say you can make it happen...Come back next rd and fight 1 vs 1 when (bar numbers, which will always be case) you can challenge us 1 vs 1 on an even footing in terms of roids/value...but of course you won't....
But you keep saying you are better and can beat us now, you even said it in this thread.
I can make it happen but excuses excuses excuses
I won't play next round, serious personal issues mean it isn't possible, this is my last round ever.

And yet again, you only answer 'certain questions'.

Edit: just seen GM's reply, this conversation is over.

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Re: Declaration of War

Care to tell me what question i am avoiding....?
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Re: Declaration of War

Who have you decided wins?
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Re: Declaration of War

dunno, ask cardi or someone in app who cares I'd be perfectly happy hitting CT everynight for rest of the round, but thats just me :P
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Re: Declaration of War

yeah figured, sit on the fence and see who wins, then claim it was because of you

you have proved yourself gutless and i wont be replying on this thread anymore
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Re: Declaration of War

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So let me get this straight, you want a 1 on 1 war 5.5 weeks into the round? after you blocked with TGV, ND, p3n, ToF, rock and ds against them, resulting in a 40 mil value advantage over them? yeah sounds like a fair fight.
This sums it all up for you Forest, and like i said before this is the first time CT gets some decent inc so suck it up like a man instead of whining. Im sorry to hear you wont respond anymore so i want to wish you the best of luck with losing this round. I'll be on irc if you think you need a hug.
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maximillian is definetly funnier
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How would I expect a 'class' alliance to act.
Well I would say your 1st problem is you consider Apprime a 'class' alliance.
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Re: Declaration of War

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yeah figured, sit on the fence and see who wins

you have proved yourself gutless and i wont be replying on this thread anymore
Ironic coming from someone in CT....
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Re: Declaration of War

On a side note of this one. What are ND doing in all of this and who have been roiding DLR?
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On a side note of this one. What are ND doing in all of this and who have been roiding DLR?
not sure on ND, but I think App have been having fun playing with DLR recently.
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Re: Declaration of War

Buly,

First round of incs had ND, App, ODDR and HR each hit a DLR galaxy.

Latest round had App, ND and ODDR hitting a DLR galaxy each.

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, it would be much more accurate to say that App has been having fun playing with friends attacking DLR recently.
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Re: Declaration of War

after a final analysis
Let me congratulate to those conspirators for be the future winners of this war and I think the round
His final move was great I think that Forest was in this jake mate
And I declare loser to Kargool not to TGV perhaps lacking a little humility and If you are HC you cant be in vacations and leave your alliance in one Anarchy
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DLR ha ha those are only good in havoc ... Cheers ND
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Re: Declaration of War

i must make some stuff clear coz the ct propaganda machine is rolllllllin'

Before the round started app said we will not play FTW coz its summer, just like last round we said we are not interested. Forest seems to habe been spoonfed by gm.

APP never said pre-round or when the round began to nap CT or ruin their round. We knew there will be a block against APP like in every round, then we found out CT joined that block aswell. Since last round we took omega out for them and gave them roundwin we felt annoyed. So... there has been block against app for most of the round and yes we said CT will pay. BUT to see forest here asking APP to backoff and let ct fiight TGV..... LOL . and then saying app are fencers LOL

have u been playing this round pal? and why do u ask now for app to fight ct 1 on 1? because for most of the round it has been 5/6 vs APP. Didnt u see it coming that if u join a block against app, we might take revenge later? there is no 1 vs 1, not when u have been part of a block. Next time make wise decisions.

its not arrogant of us to say u will get what u deserve. Its logic my friend.
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Correction, it was Rock, not HR.
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On a side note of this one. What are ND doing in all of this and who have been roiding DLR?
ND? Doing? I don't understand, I can see they're words, but they don't make sense. Could you please explain?
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Re: Declaration of War

I will point out that only I speak for CT, anyone else's views are their own personal opinions.

In round 41 however apprime did not take omega out for us, we both took them out!
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Hi Maxine, im in den haag on friday!
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I know I said I wouldnt post but it always was pure comic to reply to max

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APP never said pre-round or when the round began to nap CT or ruin their round. We knew there will be a block against APP like in every round, then we found out CT joined that block aswell. Since last round we took omega out for them and gave them roundwin we felt annoyed. So... there has been block against app for most of the round and yes we said CT will pay. BUT to see forest here asking APP to backoff and let ct fiight TGV..... LOL . and then saying app are fencers LOL.
I dont ahve the quote of the exact words where that was said as i didnt log at the time but I found this...
[18:21] <Vamp> we ooffered them win
[18:21] <Vamp> and now they lost it
[18:21] <Vamp> cause they are stubborn
[18:21] <Forest_out> nah
[18:22] <Forest_out> if someoen had come to you and said 'we offer you the win or ruin your round' what would you have said?
[18:22] <Forest_out> thats not stubborn, thats pride
[18:22] <Vamp> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[18:22] <Vamp> ct?
[18:22] <Vamp> pride?
[18:22] <Vamp> wtf u on?
[18:22] <Vamp> ask last rnd who gave them win


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have u been playing this round pal? and why do u ask now for app to fight ct 1 on 1? because for most of the round it has been 5/6 vs APP. Didnt u see it coming that if u join a block against app, we might take revenge later? there is no 1 vs 1, not when u have been part of a block. Next time make wise decisions.
It has never ever been 5/6 v apprime. You had xvx/oddr among others hitting us, in joint attacks. I personally handled dc calls for fleet catches of app/xvx/oddr attacking ships

[19:04] <Forest_afk> and it was never a three v one thing either, cause you brought your little puppets in
[19:04] <Templar> sounds like a good reason tbh
[19:04] <Forest_afk> no, thats not what apprime said
[19:04] <Baddars> apprime brought 4 puppets to the table to hit DLR :P
[19:04] <Templar> we always bring puppets
[19:04] <Templar> like everyone else
[19:04] <Templar> plus i kinda like puppets

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its not arrogant of us to say u will get what u deserve. Its logic my friend.
You assume this is over. All you guys are doing is making sure you get twatted next round too.
Funny really, I heard you have three aims
1) top planet
2) top galaxy
3) to decide who wins the round

i know there is time lef but so far you look like achieving none of them
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have u been playing this round pal? and why do u ask now for app to fight ct 1 on 1? because for most of the round it has been 5/6 vs APP. Didnt u see it coming that if u join a block against app, we might take revenge later? there is no 1 vs 1, not when u have been part of a block. Next time make wise decisions.
Incidentally, it was tongue in cheek. I knew you wouldnt accept cause that woudld dispel the myth that you are the best when you got your asses handed back to you on a plate

your argument against went like this...

Forest> 1 v 1 I dare you but I guess you will bottle it
Apprime> that can never be arranged or we would
Forest> I can have it arranged in 2 hours
Apprime> oh no but that wouldnt be fair
Forest> we can remove some scores to make it fair
Apprime> oh no you hit us so we need to hit you in a block now, even though we keep telling you how we are the best

TBH you sound like I did when RB was dead and only had 20 members left and I was off declaring war on Legion

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Incidentally, it was tongue in cheek. I knew you wouldnt accept cause that woudld dispel the myth that you are the best when you got your asses handed back to you on a plate

your argument against went like this...

Forest> 1 v 1 I dare you but I guess you will bottle it
Apprime> that can never be arranged or we would
Forest> I can have it arranged in 2 hours
Apprime> oh no but that wouldnt be fair
Forest> we can remove some scores to make it fair
Apprime> oh no you hit us so we need to hit you in a block now, even though we keep telling you how we are the best

TBH you sound like I did when RB was dead and only had 20 members left and I was off declaring war on Legion

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Hahahahahah, I like how you quote on your other 2, but for this "argument" you can't seem to quote what was said....like has been previously stated, CT have a big value lead on Apprime, why is it only now you want a 1 vs 1 vs apprime, maybe its because you are the "chickens" who wont face apprime 1 v 1 from the start when all you have on us is number of members, which will always be the case.

Apprime get twatted, yes in part because of the arrogance of their members, but also because you know they are the biggest threat to anyone who wants #1 alliance.....
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Is there really anyone who believes CT would beat Apprime 1 on 1? Because that'd be pretty funny.
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Re: Declaration of War

Personally I think apprime would win even with them having lower value
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ODDR is a wing of Apprime though, so counting that as one alliance, CT doesn't really have the planet numbers advantage.
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Hahahahahah, I like how you quote on your other 2, but for this "argument" you can't seem to quote what was said....like has been previously stated, CT have a big value lead on Apprime, why is it only now you want a 1 vs 1 vs apprime, maybe its because you are the "chickens" who wont face apprime 1 v 1 from the start when all you have on us is number of members, which will always be the case.

Apprime get twatted, yes in part because of the arrogance of their members, but also because you know they are the biggest threat to anyone who wants #1 alliance.....
Its been said in this thread too, so I don't think its worth the effort. It was a general point about a series of conversations
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What do you Forest think of CT last round win then? As it was crystal clear that Apprime handed it to them.
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What do you Forest think of CT last round win then? As it was crystal clear that Apprime handed it to them.
It depends on the views and who you speak to tbh. I wasn't around though so can't really make much of a judgement.

What seems clear to me is, whatever happens, Apprime claim to have given the win to whoever wins. They will do the same this round. But truth is, people win in spite of them. The argument 'we decide who wins by attacking them' is a poor one and one anyone could use against anyone else.
If it was looked at the other way you could say...

Last round... CT and Apprime hit Omega and took them out together. Then CT and co hit ND and won. Then ct hit xvx and won. Apprime claim to have given CT the win by not attacking them.
But surely, it could also be said, CT gave Apprime 2nd place by not attacking them and they could have repaid us better than emo-kicking because they couldn't handle it. They could be a little grateful.

This round... CT gave xvx the win by not attacking them and by hitting apprime and TGV (truly an absurd suggestion but exactly what Apprime said about last round.

The truth is, to win you have to have a combination of activity, dedication and politics. Apprime don't have that so all they can do is cling to some kind of reputation as 'being the best but we don't want to win' and 'we decide who wins'.
As written above, any alliance could claim that.

Cardi and Apprime just cling to some reputation that isn't really there.
I think that is shown by their attitude.

Continuosly hitting someone to stop them winning is something any alliance can do with such a reduced memberbase
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Maybe Max or CarDi or whoever actually is incharge of Apprime should play for the win in rd 43... just to prove a point and shut up people who dont beleive in Apprime anymore
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Actually, Apprime even "removed" value and score from their tag to get CT ahead of them. And the fact that they hit allies along CT, instead of CT, made a huge difference, as even with their small tag they're the toughest hitting force out there.

It's actually cause of the likes of CT's doings last round, that they pull this kind of shit off.
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Actually, Apprime even "removed" value and score from their tag to get CT ahead of them. And the fact that they hit allies along CT, instead of CT, made a huge difference, as even with their small tag they're the toughest hitting force out there.

It's actually cause of the likes of CT's doings last round, that they pull this kind of shit off.
That is one version yes

And just because you dont attack someone, doesnt mean you give them the win
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Maybe Max or CarDi or whoever actually is incharge of Apprime should play for the win in rd 43... just to prove a point and shut up people who dont beleive in Apprime anymore
lol that won't happen cause they know they will lose
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That is one version yes

And just because you dont attack someone, doesnt mean you give them the win
you do realise that apprime had more value than CT at the end of last round do you? it was apps scorehiding that gave CT their win. And FYI app was ranked 3rd at the time they kicked their members at the end of last round.
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That is one version yes

And just because you dont attack someone, doesnt mean you give them the win
What about kicking members from tag in order to loose score so CT passed them, and attacking all competition for them? Apprime could have won last round easily once Omega failed.

Point is, CT made a deal with the devil themselves last round, so there's nothing for them to whine about this round. And if alliances wouldn't agree to shitty moves like this, like CT did, then Apprime would have to be ruining the round for everyone.

Awesome that it's firing back on CT though, they really deserve it and I hope it happens again. Allthough my guess is they'll be very chickenshit about this in the future.

We'll refrase this question then. If this were true what I'm saying (which it is, but let's say you don't think it's true), would you think it's an honourable victory, or that the HC are spineless tits that are no good for this game?
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I will point out that only I speak for CT, anyone else's views are their own personal opinions.

In round 41 however apprime did not take omega out for us, we both took them out!
ODDR have also taken out alliances with Apprime. This does not make you any better.
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What about kicking members from tag in order to loose score so CT passed them, and attacking all competition for them? Apprime could have won last round easily once Omega failed.

Point is, CT made a deal with the devil themselves last round, so there's nothing for them to whine about this round. And if alliances wouldn't agree to shitty moves like this, like CT did, then Apprime would have to be ruining the round for everyone.

Awesome that it's firing back on CT though, they really deserve it and I hope it happens again. Allthough my guess is they'll be very chickenshit about this in the future.

We'll refrase this question then. If this were true what I'm saying (which it is, but let's say you don't think it's true), would you think it's an honourable victory, or that the HC are spineless tits that are no good for this game?
IF that happened, then that would be down to Apprime, CT can have no power over any of that at all.

It is a bit of a difficult discussion though which I cant really comment on because I wasnt here and am only going on heresay, gossip and boasting, and I have heard a lot of different versions
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IF that happened, then that would be down to Apprime, CT can have no power over any of that at all.

It is a bit of a difficult discussion though which I cant really comment on because I wasnt here and am only going on heresay, gossip and boasting, and I have heard a lot of different versions
In all honesty Forest, do you really think CT would ever want to go solo war on any of the other top 4 alliances? I think they would struggle solo against any of them tbh.

So asking for something you know realistically CT itself would never agree upon is a bit like trying to sell an Icemachine to an eskimo.
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IF that happened, then that would be down to Apprime, CT can have no power over any of that at all.

It is a bit of a difficult discussion though which I cant really comment on because I wasnt here and am only going on heresay, gossip and boasting, and I have heard a lot of different versions
CT could have hit Apprime along others in order to secure round win but were wussies instead and kept to a shitty deal?
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CT could have hit Apprime along others in order to secure round win but were wussies instead and kept to a shitty deal?
OK maybe your other points may stack up, but this one doesnt

'they kept a deal and won the round?'
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OK maybe your other points may stack up, but this one doesnt

'they kept a deal and won the round?'
Whats there to argue? ...

R40 CT took apprime a square go and did themselves proud, and although apprime won the round, I would say apprime had the upper hand military wise and played the politics a bit better. Apprime hemorrhaged members through their defence policy that consisted of Defend eksero/cronix (Epic Defence Leeching may I add and wouldn't recall attacks unless they needed to cover themselves) at all costs and usually it was at the expense of low/mid tier app members roids who coincidently being best case senario left apprime hence their reduced numbers for r41.

Then omega showed up for R41 which one could argue was the alliance with the most talent on paper for that round so to speak.
So there was a deal done behind closed doors which consisted of CT assisting in Apprime in taking down Omega in exchange that Apprime give CT the ally win. Both parties Honored that agreement.

Come R42 when the gang bang took place on Apprime and CT was envolved. Which I can understand GM's line of thinking to have a shout of winning r42 He would have to take Apprime out of the running. However I can understand why Apprime have a grievance with CT and since an ally win is out for Apprime they are playing the way they see fit. IE targetting CT in responce to their earlier hostilities not to mention taking advantage of CT incs from TGV.
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Apprime hemorrhaged members through their defence policy that consisted of Defend eksero/cronix (Epic Defence Leeching may I add and wouldn't recall attacks unless they needed to cover themselves) at all costs and usually it was at the expense of low/mid tier app members roids who coincidently being best case senario left apprime hence their reduced numbers for r41.
I was latestarting that round, and i think i had incs like twice
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I was latestarting that round, and i think i had incs like twice
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someone who was a gal's #7 as a late starter ... I doubt that.
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I was covopping until tick 330, which was when i exiled into that gal. I had around 100k score, no stocked res, and 0 roids.

I'd say its pretty much the same as latestarting
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Mines and no doubt others definition of late starting


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Ministers will also be able to see the 'late signup code' after tick 336, which can be offered to someone in protection or signing up to allow them to join your galaxy. All galaxies will get at least 1 late signup - they will get 2 if they only had 3 members in their buddy pack at the time of the shuffle, or 1 otherwise.
That says late signup, not late starting

But the point is, I barely had incs that round
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That says late signup, not late starting
some may call it pissing about, but credit it to you for taking the round win.

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But the point is, I barely had incs that round
that landed?

It was a shame that I didnt keep any historical jgp scans
I did make it a habit of JGPing 11:5:7, 11:5:2 8:6:4 look for the defence on the jgp and look for a defender with fleet out and roid them accordingly.

Edit - I can't remember when you got a PNAP with CT but still got incs off other alliances.
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some may call it pissing about, but credit it to you for taking the round win.

that landed?

It was a shame that I didnt keep any historical jgp scans
I did make it a habit of JGPing 11:5:7, 11:5:2 8:6:4 look for the defence on the jgp and look for a defender with fleet out and roid them accordingly.

Edit - I can't remember when you got a PNAP with CT but still got incs off other alliances.
No, i didnt have many incs at all.
As for elviz leeching def... he was online about 10 minutes a day (he had just gotten his baby at the time) and only got def if there was any spare laying around.

You mean the PNAP i got as a joke around tick 100-150 or whenever it was when i was sub 100k score, no hulls and no roids?
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you had a pnap for quite a long time
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