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ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

Before I insult anyone trying to get me coffee, get thrown out of a club and anything like that just by behaving on my normal MO, you could give me some tips on how I'm expected to behave...

First thing, tips, should I tip a waiter/waitress, how much is the normal percentage? I know you can't wear sneakers to some of the clubs, but what other dress codes can get me out of the fun? I know you're supposed to bring something when you visit someone's else house. I can't make fun of the Monarchy as it can be taken badly by someone, so I'll leave that to Monty Pyton.

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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

Which nationality are you?

Depending on your response, we'll know how severe you need advice. I mean if you're like KoeN (dutch... god bless him) then you need lots of advice.

If you're Australian then you probably won't offend anyone with your chirpy manner and soothing accent.

If you're American then I'm sorry, there's little hope for you - although well done for at least trying by asking our advice
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

I'm Brazilian!
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

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Before I insult anyone trying to get me coffee, get thrown out of a club and anything like that just by behaving on my normal MO, you could give me some tips on how I'm expected to behave...

First thing, tips, should I tip a waiter/waitress, how much is the normal percentage? I know you can't wear sneakers to some of the clubs, but what other dress codes can get me out of the fun? I know you're supposed to bring something when you visit someone's else house. I can't make fun of the Monarchy as it can be taken badly by someone, so I'll leave that to Monty Pyton.

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tips arent mandatory, but if you want to leave them - 10-20% is enough. Either that or round the bill up to the nearest £5/10 and tip the waiter/waitress the rest.
Avoid putting tips on cc if you can, as some places tend to short change their staff for tips done this way or put it into a shared fund for them all. Tips should be in cash if you want to be sure that it goes to that particular waiter/waitress
Dress codes vary depending on where you go, you'll want to ask a londoner for more specific advice
You can make fun of the monarchy if you want, just dont do it with people who adore it, or in front of buckingham palace
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

Wear black shoes and some form of collared shirt and you'll be fine most places. Ask who you're going somewhere, and if you're going alone then check the website or phone ahead to avoid embarrassment.

As for tipping, it's not as big as elsewhere, a lot of people don't seem to bother. Service charges are included in with the bill someplaces so check your receipt. If people do tip it seems to range from 7-8 upto 20% (ish). As Phil says, only give in cash if you want the staff to definitely get it.
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I know you're supposed to bring something when you visit someone's else house.
This depends on the circumstances you're visiting in but yeah, I guess.

Most people don't take those sorts of customs seriously (this isn't an episode of Seinfeld) so I wouldn't worry. Most people in London are fairly relaxed and are used to foriegn visitors with their funny ways.

If however the Metropolitan Police start running after you then...well, say a little prayer.
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

My fear isn't if they start running after me, it's if they start shooting....
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

And yeah. Thanks to everyone, this will help
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

To echo dante, you're worrying too much, you're coming to london dear not some city in the back of beyond. Foreigners are normal, you'll pretty much find a large expat population from most countries. Infact id say the average londoner had a better chance of locating rio de jinaro on a blank map than carlisle.

Tipping isn't mandatory, or even normal if im being honest. If you're given exceptional service tip that person, don't feel the need to leave a tip. I usually don't (and had trouble remembering when i last did!) if i do its 5-10%.

The only other advice is don't get ripped off by bastard cab drivers.
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

thinking about it, the most likely place you will be expected to tip is in the mens toilets in night-clubs.
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

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Depending on your response, we'll know how severe you need advice. I mean if you're like KoeN (dutch... god bless him) then you need lots of advice.
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true. but i'm learning the 'ways of the barbarian' quickly i must say.
i learned for example that in england, you can't tip a bartender because then he believes you're gay. (thanks alex).
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

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true. but i'm learning the 'ways of the barbarian' quickly i must say.
i learned for example that in england, you can't tip a bartender because then he believes you're gay. (thanks alex).
Yeah that isn't true...

I sometimes tip the barman if i think they've served me quickly or remembered a large order or done an otherwise good job!

Whenever anyone tipped me when I was working in bars I never thought they were gay either
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

Oh yeah... Just remembered something... Never whistle at a bartender to get his attention... My brother did this and the guy went berzerk...

That is a common thing to do here.

*Whistle* Yo mah man! Give us a beer!
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

The best tip to give a barman is to buy them a drink. That was the best bit of working in a pub over the summer (other than the cool people, awesome working hours and money. And the fact that it's the best pub in the world)
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That's a hard one... Maybe the cold weather helps...
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*Whistle* Yo mah man! Give us a beer!
Yeah, that sounds pretty obnoxious to me. Similarly don't shout "Oi, you!" unless the persons offended you or something.

If you're waiting to be served you wait patiently and quietly until you catch the bartenders eye and are served. I suppose you could clear your throat if it was quiet and he hadn't noticed you, but that's dangerously close to making a scene to me.
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

in clubs: move toward the middle of the bar, even if there are more people there, and when you get to the bar itself, hunch over it obnoxiously while waving notes at the bar staff. this appears to be the only you will get served quickly
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in clubs: move toward the middle of the bar, even if there are more people there, and when you get to the bar itself, hunch over it obnoxiously while waving notes at the bar staff. this appears to be the only you will get served quickly
That or figure out how to become a hot, nubile nineteen year old model.
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

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Yeah I've always wondered why people wave notes in the air so the bartender can see them.

I mean, it's not like the bartender will think "oh good that means he has a note so I can work out how much change I'll need. I do like doing that."

It's not like the bartender will think "Oh wow look he has a whole NOTE of money! I'd better serve him as he's rich and important!".

It's not like the bartender will realise "Oh they must need a drink whereas the rest of the people standing here trying to catch my eye are only doing so because they want a friendly chat".

So why do it?

When I was a barman I deliberately ignored people holding money out for as long as possible, as I found it quite rude. It was a reminder that all we were doing was exchanging goods for money and I was the intermediary. It made it much less of a social job having someone wave their money in your face.
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Pubs : http://www.sirc.org/publik/pub.html
(old if you've seen it before, but still a bit funny)

Also, read Bill Bryson's "notes from a small island" at some point
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I sometimes tip the barman if i think they've served me quickly or remembered a large order or done an otherwise good job!
"Yeah... good barman... good job... here have a cookie. Can you do another trick too?"

We Dutch don't tip... as a barman it's your job to serve me and you get paid for that already.
And perhaps if those bars weren't ripping us off with their overpriced beer then perhaps I had some money left to tip someone.

And no, I'm not a cheap bastard... I'm simply Dutch.
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"Yeah... good barman... good job... here have a cookie. Can you do another trick too?"

We Dutch don't tip... as a barman it's your job to serve me and you get paid for that already.
And perhaps if those bars weren't ripping us off with their overpriced beer then perhaps I had some money left to tip someone.

And no, I'm not a cheap bastard... I'm simply Dutch.
Very true. I tip waiters though, if they gave me decent service, but I don't see how someone handing me a beer across 50 cm of bar-length should make him deserve a tip.

Then again, I'm Dutch. We could clear our throat, once we placed our order whistle at all time making gestures indicating he should hurry up, and once we get our drinks, throw the note on the floor next to the bar and go "Fetch!", and still get away with it. We're not exactly known for being polite :|.
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Heheheh... Cultures are the funny...
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General hint: say please and thank you a lot. The British expect this on receiving change, bumping into someone, etc, etc, etc...

Clubs, bars, cafes: You go to the bar to order, except in some continental themed bars, and in which case they'll tell you so.

If you're going to London bare in mind it's quite different from the rest of the UK.
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General hint: say please and thank you a lot. The British expect this on receiving change, bumping into someone, etc, etc, etc...
Unless you're on the tube, in which case look straight ahead, avoid eye contact at all times, and don't say anything, ever (except possibly "excuse me" in an irritated tone if someone's standing on the left of an escalator*, although even this is optional, and simply pushing them out of the way is perfectly normal).

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So why do it?
Because, in busy clubs, it's quicker to take a note off someone than waiting for an inebriate to get his wallet out and work out how much change he's got.
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Because, in busy clubs, it's quicker to take a note off someone than waiting for an inebriate to get his wallet out and work out how much change he's got.
Yeah but they're holding the note out before they've ordered a drink (as they're trying to get the barman's attention)...
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*Don't do this.
When I was in London I was amazed by the orderly escalator use in the tube. It's so much different than in the Netherlands, where everyone just stand where he/she likes and there is no way to get them to move.
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When I was in London I was amazed by the orderly escalator use in the tube. It's so much different than in the Netherlands, where everyone just stand where he/she likes and there is no way to get them to move.
If you're a couple standing side by side on a tube escalator, you aren't being romantic you are a pair of ****ing selfish nazis.
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Keep to your right on the tube ecalators, check.
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So why do it?
To indicated to said barman that you actually want to purchase a drink and are not one of the 2 dozen or so knob-cheddars who usually stand at the bar all night in acting like it is there exlusive right.
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If you're a couple standing side by side on a tube escalator, you aren't being romantic you are a pair of ****ing selfish nazis.
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I am surprised and disappointed by how many people flagrantly disregard the bar etiquette in my union nightclub, so much pushing and shoving and barging in front
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What's this bar etiquette you're talking about?
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What's this bar etiquette you're talking about?
It's all explained in that link in A2's post. It's supposed to apply universally throughout Britain, but obviously nightclubs are (wrongly) exempt.
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What's this bar etiquette you're talking about?
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Woah! That thing is deeply informative...

Thanks A2 and everyone else for pointing it out...
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Whilst travelling up or down on the funny moving stairs we have at tube stations, always, and I mean always stand on the left.
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Do not take pictures of red buses/post boxes/telephone booths
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I'll probably take more pictures od the pubs than anything else...

And Iniluki, you're too late. They already told me of the escalators and you're eviiiiil.
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

most of its obvious....

smart casual will get into most places, dont use a big back-pack if trying to get into harrods ..( they will want to check it )

shirt, trousers, shoes not trainers .. bring a tie .. for most nightclubs (bring a tie cos u dont have to wear it when your in there .. but some will want you to wear it to get passed door staff)

on the tube .. dont travel at rush hours unless u really have to or want to know what a sardine feels like !

if u are using a back pack especially on tube and busses .. take it off and put it on the floor .. even if your standing.

if your oogling at stuff on the street .. walk to the far left or far right of the pavement, especially if your trying to work out where u are on your map.

if your really lost .. check out stores with door security .. they are more likely to know where u need to go.

Dont panic if u pass your stop on the tube - get off at the next station and go back .. another train will be along in 5/10 minutes mostly.

If your in *town* with anyone and loose them.. make a rendevous point and go back to that to meet them.(mine is mcdonalds at liverpool street .. at least u can get a coffee while u wait).

above all .. relax .. enjoy and have fun :-)
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I still believe there should be laws governing behaviour on pavements, in the same way as there are on roads.

Walking across the natural flow of walkers: $50 fine and a caution.
Stopping in the middle of the pavement, without due regard for those following behind you: $100 fine.
Stopping in the middle of the pavement, without due regard for those following behind you, because someone called your mobile and it you were so excited it overloaded your brain (already overloaded with the simple task of breathing): $1,000 fine.
Stopping in the middle of the pavement with your ten stupid-arse friends in a huddle big enough to block the whole ****ing thing: $5,000 + a Friday and Saturday night in the cells, even if the offence happened on a Tuesday.

I may have to draw up a citizen's charter on this, as long as I get popular support. Hell, this could get me elected!!
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

This will be a law for the people, enforced by the people.

Policemen can carry the perps off to the cells while the general populace celebrate by dancing around the burning backpacks of the guilty while singing 'Jerusalem'.
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

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I still believe there should be laws governing behaviour on pavements, in the same way as there are on roads.

Walking across the natural flow of walkers: $50 fine and a caution.
Stopping in the middle of the pavement, without due regard for those following behind you: $100 fine.
Stopping in the middle of the pavement, without due regard for those following behind you, because someone called your mobile and it you were so excited it overloaded your brain (already overloaded with the simple task of breathing): $1,000 fine.
Stopping in the middle of the pavement with your ten stupid-arse friends in a huddle big enough to block the whole ****ing thing: $5,000 + a Friday and Saturday night in the cells, even if the offence happened on a Tuesday.

I may have to draw up a citizen's charter on this, as long as I get popular support. Hell, this could get me elected!!
If you include "Walking with a group of friends in a line across the entire pavement" , and expanding it to cover things like shopping centres as well, i'd vote for you
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This will be a law for the people, enforced by the people.

Policemen can carry the perps off to the cells while the general populace celebrate by dancing around the burning backpacks of the guilty while singing 'Jerusalem'.
they say that your ability to think logically deteriorates with age.
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they say that your ability to think logically deteriorates with age.
Is that why you're constantly going on about how you're 10,000 years old? It's just a big excuse for thinking like an idiot?
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Re: ITT: You help me with the culture shock [London]

people tip barmen and ladies because its a good way of getting served quickly.

i work in tiger tiger in Newcastle, and i get offended if ive done large ammounts of drinks and gone out of my way to make something very specific for some1.

Tip 50p or so after every round, and i will make sure to spot u out from the bar and ull be sure to get served 5 times as fast as some stingy bastard who is rude and waves money at me.

Also most waitors get the same wage as barmen, so i dont see why they should get tipped and barmen shouldn't, afterall barmen work longer hours, and two hours after ppl have gone we are still stocking fridges, cleaning bars, putting stuff away afterwards.

So saying "all as they do is open a beer and hand it over a 50cm bar" is abit insulting.


p.s Umberellas are the most annoying thing! i almost lost both my eyes coz of some bitches who dont care how fast they walk and who towards with a lethal weapon hanging up
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i work in tiger tiger in Newcastle,

Tip 50p
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tip 50p? in newcastle??

why? so that you can buy a house?
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