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29 Apr 2017, 09:05
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
This discussion is just ridiculous... For every normal thinking person launching a fleet on attack mission is an act of aggression. To be honest, I believe this whole discussion is only focused on the discussing and arguing and not about clarifying things.
Pingu once used this "creative interpretation" of a Nap Nap for some clever attacks. And of course noone will now admit, that it was at least questionable.
Maybe just make sure that nap until xx means no attacks until xx in future deals.
Any other drama going on?
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29 Apr 2017, 09:27
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Maybe just make sure that nap until xx means no attacks until xx in future deals.
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Heavens! No attacks LAUNCHED until xx.
Really does it cost you anything to add that one word to specify? I am not asking for a giant legal document just for ppl to be vaguely careful.
How often do ppl misinterpret NAP or a tick either accidentally or on purpose? Almost never. In the case of NAP it will almost certainly be clarified. If a NAP is agreed on side is sure to ask whenther this means ingame, if no then they will check whether it includes retals so it will be clarified. If p3n in round 69 is the only time anyone can think of when lt has been misinterpreted then this bit is not a big problem.
But there are plenty of more confusing areas that are open to interpretation. As part of our agreement with Ult we had a 3x3 agreement with FAnG. On one day when getting inc from fang munks asked for retals on them. In my opinion this took us over 3x3, in munkee's retals has not been included in the deal so it did not. I am not aware of FAnG having complained so presumably they either agreed with munks interpretation or did not want to force a full breach. The point is that if even 2 HC in an alliance who have similar interests can disagree on what an agreement means I think then there is even more room for disagreement between the two alliances where there are differing interests and perspectives.
In most agreements having broad language that is open to interpretation is not a problem. You are making an agreement with a friendly alliance where any problems can be ironed out. There is goodwill on both sides. However we need to remember that things can change. My opinion on the need for better agreements is largely shaped by ours with app in round 68 where app seems to have thought we were in an alliance til the eor come what may, whereas we thought we had an agreement until no longer fighting ult. As allies there should have been good will but clearly that was not enough. Since this lead to 1.5 rounds of conflict misinterpretation of an agreement can had immense consequences.
Ultimately taking a little more time over agreements costs you nothing but an extra minute or two. And may save you a lot of grief later on.
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29 Apr 2017, 09:42
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Originally Posted by Dorf
This discussion is just ridiculous... For every normal thinking person launching a fleet on attack mission is an act of aggression. To be honest, I believe this whole discussion is only focused on the discussing and arguing and not about clarifying things.
Pingu once used this "creative interpretation" of a Nap Nap for some clever attacks. And of course noone will now admit, that it was at least questionable.
Maybe just make sure that nap until xx means no attacks until xx in future deals.
Any other drama going on?
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or maybe just no NAPs at all... and all this "conflicts" can be avoided in the future
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29 Apr 2017, 10:30
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
You lot seem to have lost the plot...
booji was originally arguing for more careful and concise terms for agreements, I presume you think you are arguing against him but you actually demonstrate exactly why it is necessary.
Suffice to say if you had a NAP based on landing times, a no escorting clause would be included, and it certainly wouldnt be forgotten as you two show by both coming to the same conclusion... although well behind me since I included the objection in my first post on this NAP terms section off this thread
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The point the Ultores posters are trying to make is that there's no need for clarification, because they say it's already clear: launch tick, not land tick. You and booji are countering with "what if it wasn't clear?", but as far as Ultores is concerned, that's a pointless question. What if the sky were green? Well, it isn't, so who cares?
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29 Apr 2017, 10:57
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Your assumption of norms is the whole problem under interrogation. It is not a question like 'what if the sky was green' because that to my knowledge never happens (without relocating to venus) and even if it did has little practical impact, whereas we know its a loophole that has been exploited in the past and we thought of exploiting again (but didnt).
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29 Apr 2017, 11:06
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
It's not a loophole. A fleet order with the color red on a napped alliance is and never will be anything other than a hostile action and therefor a breach of the NAP. Only one alliance in PA finds this to be a grey area.
I'm going to quote b-butcher for being spot on regarding this:
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The norm has always been that fleets wouldnt be showing before the expiry tick. Dont think that is debatebal.
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29 Apr 2017, 13:14
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
Your assumption of norms is the whole problem under interrogation. It is not a question like 'what if the sky was green' because that to my knowledge never happens (without relocating to venus) and even if it did has little practical impact, whereas we know its a loophole that has been exploited in the past and we thought of exploiting again (but didnt).
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You can do whatever you like in PA, of course, but your actions have consequences, and now it should be obvious that your move is generally considered not-done, even by people like Butcher, who doesn't exactly stand to benefit from arguing for the Ultores side of things.
I'm a little confused now, though. You say you didn't exploit the loophole, so you didn't launch before the NAP expired? Then what is the drama about?
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29 Apr 2017, 23:44
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Less of the arguing, the round ends in like a week, we should be celebrating we dont have to deal with these shit stats anymore!
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30 Apr 2017, 01:22
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Less of the arguing, the round ends in like a week, we should be celebrating we dont have to deal with these shit stats anymore!
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30 Apr 2017, 03:58
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
This discussion is funny.
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30 Apr 2017, 06:39
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Very boring tbh clouds
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30 Apr 2017, 12:55
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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You say you didn't exploit the loophole, so you didn't launch before the NAP expired? Then what is the drama about?
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Indeed we didnt so there is no drama.
Must there be drama to raise an issue? - albeit one that no-one else seems to see as an issue (myself included actually, the instant booji mentioned it I said everyone will say its launch tick and everyone will be right).
All the better to discuss something without there being an actual backstabbing to raise the temperature imo!
The issue is now closed except perhaps in future booji will make any HC wanting NAPs with p3n sign in blood, certified by two QCs.
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30 Apr 2017, 17:03
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
So you guys went out of your way to defend an indefensible action, even though you haven't taken that action, and have no intention of taking that action in the future?
That's a useless waste of precious political capital.
Don't do that.
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30 Apr 2017, 17:16
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
We were arguing with Ult. I strongly suspect that p3n has negative political capital with ult anyway. EDIT for that matter I am doubtful that the forums come into anyone's calculations when it comes to politics given we all regard the forum posters to be to be pretty much the propaganda arm of each alliance.
And it is clearly not indefensible. You may disagree with me but I put my point logically and sensibly. My opponents all seem to rely on 'that is how we do it, and how we always do it so there!'
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30 Apr 2017, 23:17
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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We were arguing with Ult. I strongly suspect that p3n has negative political capital with ult anyway. EDIT for that matter I am doubtful that the forums come into anyone's calculations when it comes to politics given we all regard the forum posters to be to be pretty much the propaganda arm of each alliance.
And it is clearly not indefensible. You may disagree with me but I put my point logically and sensibly. My opponents all seem to rely on 'that is how we do it, and how we always do it so there!'
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1) Im no propoganda arm, Im just me
2) I didn't rely on "This is how we always do it" I relied on simplicity, the intent is in the name. Its a waste to argue it, though, as its been pointed out that its not a current issue. Now if you want to put your lawyers cap on next round booji, and get your alliance to violate every agreement you can based on technicalities, so be it, but remember, being "right" on a technicality in PA is about the same as calling a whore a whore. While you might be right, thats not gonna stop you getting your nose bloodied. PA runs on the court of public opinion, not legal technicalities, when it comes to politics.
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30 Apr 2017, 23:23
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
You have completely misunderstood me. I want to stop others violating em against me! Yes I want to bind my alliance more thoroughly too but that is simply because I want to be sure what the agreement means. I DO NOT want to be finding loopholes, I want to be closing them tyvm. I want to be preventing more agreements where both p3n and another alliance think the other has broken the agreement because we were too lax when it came to setting the terms. Stop assuming the worst of everyone. The point for me of this discussion has been to try and highlight to people that they can do diplomacy better not to encourage them to find ways around agreements. Good agreements build better will between alliances. Improve relations, and hopefully remove some of the hate and poison from the game.
And while you say you represent no one everyone stands where they sit as they say. You are in ult, your posts are oddly pro ult. I am in p3n and my posts are oddly pro p3n despite us both trying to put forward neutral rational arguments.
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30 Apr 2017, 23:32
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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You have completely missed my point. I want to stop others violating em against me! Yes I want to bind my alliance more thoroughly too but that is simply because I want to be sure what the agreement means. I DO NOT want to be finding loopholes, I want to be closing them tyvm. Stop assuming the worst of everyone. The point for me of this discussion has been to try and highlight to people that they can do diplomacy better not to encourage them to find ways around agreements. Good agreements build better will between alliances. Improve relations, and hopefully remove some of the hate and poison from the game.
And while you say you represent no one everyone stands where they sit as they say. You are in ult, your posts are oddly pro ult. I am in p3n and my posts are oddly pro p3n despite us both trying to put forward neutral rational arguments.
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But so far the only ones to actually use this 'loophole' is YOU. To everyone else in pa this isn't an issue
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1 May 2017, 08:30
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Does that then not justify you being more cautious when making agreements with p3n and ruling the issue out as a problem then? As I ask. But if you keep making assumptions it will bite you in the ass someday, not by me doing it but by others... like FAnG this round. Or some new alliance with a different set of assumptions.
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1 May 2017, 13:25
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
You guys should be diplomats for US and NK.
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1 May 2017, 15:34
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Does that then not justify you being more cautious when making agreements with p3n and ruling the issue out as a problem then? As I ask. But if you keep making assumptions it will bite you in the ass someday, not by me doing it but by others... like FAnG this round. Or some new alliance with a different set of assumptions.
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But why be cautious, when you can just obliterate NAP breakers? Like I said, breaking the "spirit" of a nap on a "technicality" is more likely to get you bloodied than praised.
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1 May 2017, 15:50
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Ive heard much crazier shit from ultores when they hit us before nap ended earlier.
"We heard you planned to attack us, so we beat you to it".
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1 May 2017, 16:02
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Sounds reasonable to me, if they're right. Cue you "but they weren't!", of course you'd say that. You damn dirty backstabber.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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1 May 2017, 16:24
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Does that then not justify you being more cautious when making agreements with p3n and ruling the issue out as a problem then? As I ask. But if you keep making assumptions it will bite you in the ass someday, not by me doing it but by others... like FAnG this round. Or some new alliance with a different set of assumptions.
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You referring to me booji pretty sure you ended agreement with me I wasn't impressed but was your choice entirely only 1 alliance broke agreement with me this round it was cardi which was only a mistake he told me he forgot about the nap extension it happens so even app and cardi I ain't cross with things happen in pa I'm too chilled to care someone breaks with me I attack them simple no need for it to cause drama people attack and defend in pa it's what pa about I've took plenty of hit this round not moaned about any of them it's what pa is about but then don't be shocked about me coming back once all the Inc stops
On a side note to another post stats aren't shit they were better then most have been in past round is nearly over now anyway and then it's onto another round I'm curious to see which alliances hold grudges for there own actions biting them in arse next round I'll be around waiting I'm sure
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1 May 2017, 17:53
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
You lost these: ...,.,,,.,,..,.,.,.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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1 May 2017, 18:52
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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How many times does people need to get caught with doing stuff that clearly is against the rules before you give them a warning?
Ofc, 99% of those that are playing this game at the moment has most likely done stuff that was against the rules one time the last 15 years or so.
People that were accepted into Ultores this round got caught trying to "XP farm" to top planet last round, for the 2nd time(perhaps more), if you for some strange reason managed to miss this, i dont think you should bother posting here tbfh.
Ultores DONT need members, you have enough allready.
Putting the foot down against cheating would just mean those players would likely join another alliance like KittenZ/FAnG/whatever if you had declined them. And they would been able to do much less damage there, in theory, if they were to continue their cheating.
There is no point trying to stop roomates/family/friends from login into each others accounts, nor is it game changing if a VGN or HR guy has multies.
What is game changing how ever is when top alliances, top gals, alliance HCs partaking in such activities.
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Was waiting for that off you or lokken. I don't use them unless I must and I can't be arsed going back to fix it, future posts I try remember.
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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I have not referred to kittenz in any post I have made. You are not completely new to pa are you? I have not liked your politics and I think you could be more honest about why you are targeting people but that has nothing to do with any agreements or how they are worded or the assumptions underlying them.
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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I have not referred to kittenz in any post I have made. You are not completely new to pa are you? I have not liked your politics and I think you could be more honest about why you are targeting people but that has nothing to do with any agreements or how they are worded or the assumptions underlying them.
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KittenZ would be stupid not to target ND/p3ng/CT/Norse etc.
It was quite obvious this was going to happend the last week eh
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I was actually referring to the first time they targeted us not this time. This time it was expected. Last time it was justified as being comeback for us hitting one of their galaxies a week or more before, and it then lasted for days, oddly almost up til we made a cf with ult (I think kittenz stopped the night before). It would have sat far better to have them simply say they were working with ult (or FAnG).
Edit I should note that I have had almost no dealings with demort, I did some initial dealing with genchaos while he was in charge of pols at that point kittenz seemed very much standard in terms of how they do things.
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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I was actually referring to the first time they targeted us not this time. This time it was expected. Last time it was justified as being comeback for us hitting one of their galaxies a week or more before, and it then lasted for days, oddly almost up til we made a cf with ult (I think kittenz stopped the night before). It would have sat far better to have them simply say they were working with ult (or FAnG).
Edit I should note that I have had almost no dealings with demort, I did some initial dealing with genchaos while he was in charge of pols at that point kittenz seemed very much standard in terms of how they do things.
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I think they said pretty clearly that they would not hit Ult, and they were close friends from the beginning, atleast thats how i interpreted it.
Maybe CT/ND/p3ng did a mistake not dealing with FL/KittenZ/FAnG properly earlier.
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Intriguing and yes you are correct I dealt with munkee as I knew him. I personally didn't wanna hit peng but universe evolved into me hitting peng part of reason was fang sure but I openly admitted that to munkee, if he didn't pass it on not my fault it coincided with my plans. Peng is one of my hostile alliances so I'm bounded to head that way, I'm actually very honest booji I don't hide behind reasons I do things just ask me I'll be completely open about it. Everyone said I'd fight bows all round and that hasn't happened true people tried to get Kittenz and bows to fight but neither of us saw that as an option neither me or butcher let others dictate our actions. So I want to openly state this round butcher has shown me a side of him I didn't know so has my respect.
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2 May 2017, 08:55
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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I think they said pretty clearly that they would not hit Ult, and they were close friends from the beginning, atleast thats how i interpreted it.
Maybe CT/ND/p3ng did a mistake not dealing with FL/KittenZ/FAnG properly earlier.
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Funnily enough I was with faceless over any other ally what was strange was when app and Norse hit us my plan was to only hit them then penguin and CT came few nights in row before they went on ult. That was there mistake if they had avoided me I wouldn't have hit them when they hit ult just like the last time they hit ult I didn't hit them until just before the cf happened and that was only penguin who I owed a hit.
Like i fully expect the block to come for me soon it's pa it's what happens
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2 May 2017, 09:05
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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2 May 2017, 09:36
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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KittenZ would be stupid not to target ND/p3ng/CT/Norse etc.
It was quite obvious this was going to happend the last week eh
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Yeah ofc that was obvious, they have been on the other side for half the round.
What was much less obvious was that you would also target us.
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2 May 2017, 09:48
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Funnily enough I was with faceless over any other ally what was strange was when app and Norse hit us my plan was to only hit them then penguin and CT came few nights in row before they went on ult. That was there mistake if they had avoided me I wouldn't have hit them when they hit ult just like the last time they hit ult I didn't hit them until just before the cf happened and that was only penguin who I owed a hit.
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A mans gotta eat rite, either way someone, in the Ult block, would get hit by KittenZ/FL/FAnG.
I was quite clear that the alliances NAPed with Ult had to be dealt with from the start, that included KittenZ.
Somehow i belive you guys managed get CT/ND along with the "BowS only want to kill KittenZ" stuff, and managed to dodge the incommings earlier on in the round.
KittenZ played the anti-Ult block good, and are now getting the benefits from it.
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2 May 2017, 09:50
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Yeah ofc that was obvious, they have been on the other side for half the round.
What was much less obvious was that you would also target us.
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Why would that be less obvious?
We would be hitting Ult if anyone else was hitting there the last few days(today when we chose targets Ult had 50 fleets incomming), and we would obviously not have had any reason to have any hard feelings towards CT/ND/p3ng if it wasnt for the Ult NAP that screwed BowS over earlier. The p3ng HCs seemed to understand our position when we ended the NAP some 500 ticks ago, much more understanding than the CT HCs.
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2 May 2017, 10:22
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Sure so when we are hitting ult (albeit sporadically in thse days with FAnG/Kittenz incs) you decide to thump us.
If you wanted revenge for the NAP with Ult the time to do it was when we had the NAP running - app did!
Instead you wait until the point you can help ult most.
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2 May 2017, 10:49
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Sure so when we are hitting ult (albeit sporadically in thse days with FAnG/Kittenz incs) you decide to thump us.
If you wanted revenge for the NAP with Ult the time to do it was when we had the NAP running - app did!
Instead you wait until the point you can help ult most.
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Ironic we get accused of helping Ult, wouldnt it be better to point the finger at some other alliance?
Im sure we are the only alliance this round to not get down on our knees, and offer our services for a Ult nap.
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2 May 2017, 10:56
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Ironic we get accused of helping Ult, wouldnt it be better to point the finger at some other alliance?
Im sure we are the only alliance this round to not get down on our knees, and offer our services for a Ult nap.
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Oh I must comment here.
Of all the alliances playing this round. The biggest help to Ult, above all others must be put down to Rainbows.
I believe Butcher & Aga had pre round deal. I doubt Chimpie would have had the brainpower to do so. From my source the arrangement was simply. Bows join early anti ult block in order to farm and store Ult roids. Then when things get a bit heated and Aga needed to focus RL, Bows pull out of block and try and hold onto rocks until block collapse. Once block collapse, Ult would then come and take their roids back off Bows. Then when the value is deemed high enough Bows must try and interfer with the second Block uprising by hitting all possible block joiners.
So far most of that has happened.
A) Bows Fenced to the high hills early round
B) Bows get farmed out by Ult - Bows actually not defending Ultores inc on purpose (so I am lead to believe although they didn't actually defend much at all).
C) Ultores kept farming bows for 10 days. Putting Ult #1 Avg Size. Bows #18th Avg Size.
D) Then Block turns on Ult & Bows decided to hit alliances that either a) didn't him them or b) are hitting Ult.
E) Butcher sectioned
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2 May 2017, 14:03
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Oh I must comment here.
Of all the alliances playing this round. The biggest help to Ult, above all others must be put down to Rainbows.
I believe Butcher & Aga had pre round deal. I doubt Chimpie would have had the brainpower to do so. From my source the arrangement was simply. Bows join early anti ult block in order to farm and store Ult roids. Then when things get a bit heated and Aga needed to focus RL, Bows pull out of block and try and hold onto rocks until block collapse. Once block collapse, Ult would then come and take their roids back off Bows. Then when the value is deemed high enough Bows must try and interfer with the second Block uprising by hitting all possible block joiners.
So far most of that has happened.
A) Bows Fenced to the high hills early round
B) Bows get farmed out by Ult - Bows actually not defending Ultores inc on purpose (so I am lead to believe although they didn't actually defend much at all).
C) Ultores kept farming bows for 10 days. Putting Ult #1 Avg Size. Bows #18th Avg Size.
D) Then Block turns on Ult & Bows decided to hit alliances that either a) didn't him them or b) are hitting Ult.
E) Butcher sectioned
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If this were true, this is completely brilliant.
Also, I agree, Bows has been extremely helpful to Ult this round. Only thing they could do now to complete their services would be to help FC/Roid #1 so we get top planet too.
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2 May 2017, 15:34
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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I doubt Chimpie would have had the brainpower to do so.
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I was all me pal!
<Chimpie> Wan't to support us and be our farms this round and play both sides of the fence?
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2 May 2017, 16:30
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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I was all me pal!
<Chimpie> Wan't to support us and be our farms this round and play both sides of the fence?
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Well that just proves it then, nothing questionable about that!
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2 May 2017, 19:37
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Don't feel bad, Chimpie. Even though you're as dumb as a rock, I still like you.
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3 May 2017, 00:12
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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If this were true, this is completely brilliant.
Also, I agree, Bows has been extremely helpful to Ult this round. Only thing they could do now to complete their services would be to help FC/Roid #1 so we get top planet too.
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We did roid him yesterday or so.
Must be frustrating for all the ult nappers that we didnt intend to fight ult alone for 2 weeks running, and instead hit them.
We in the end won very little on it, but surely seeing everyone NAPed ult i guess they were happy with them winning gal, tag, planet ranks etc.
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3 May 2017, 08:20
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Yeah, calm down, everyone. Butcher is always willing to heroically join a gangbang.
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3 May 2017, 15:34
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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Yeah, calm down, everyone. Butcher is always willing to heroically join a gangbang.
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God forbid that anyone hits the #1 average sized alliance.
Atleast that was one benefit for us when we dropped all our NAPs this round, we could hit where ever we want, and we cant be accused of working together with anyone else.
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3 May 2017, 17:45
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
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God forbid that anyone hits the #1 average sized alliance.
Atleast that was one benefit for us when we dropped all our NAPs this round, we could hit where ever we want, and we cant be accused of working together with anyone else.
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You'll learn for next round bud
I already told you for bows to continue you need someone to do politics , a BC and a DC or two
+ some new member to recover from your losses this round
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3 May 2017, 18:10
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
Is this an application, CBA?
But tbh, bows did defend better than ND, pingu and Norse this round.
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3 May 2017, 19:34
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Re: R71 Prediction, drama, and fun thread.
CBA is running a full tag (not bows) next round i heard him say, after he is done winning gal this round.
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