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Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

Well played all 3!

Lets hope for different politics next round and a more open race. Maybe without so much salvage from steals and attacking fleet?

Edit: Don't let anyone marginalize your achievement, you earned it!
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

Theam, remember that just because the competition(read YOU AND ME) suck, that doesnt mean they suck..
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Hey Imperia, do you want to attack Apprime with us tonight, together with CT and ND?
Nah, we rather no do anything and cruise to second place and suck some more cock. Make the round boring for everyone, including us while gaining absolutely nothing.
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Hey Imperia, do you want to attack Apprime with us tonight, together with CT and ND?
Nah, we rather no do anything and cruise to second place and suck some more cock. Make the round boring for everyone, including us while gaining absolutely nothing.
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Ill just quote that as bs
i agree politics was shit, but thats a collective effort of asc nd ct imperia.
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Ill just quote that as bs
i agree politics was shit, but thats a collective effort of asc nd ct imperia.
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Please come again..

Edit: Also, yea, grats App, grats HaSu. App did nothing wrong (except maybe ruining their triple ), so yes, they earned the win.

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Congratulations, i guess.
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

Well done guys. In a bit of shock that App didn't get the treble!
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Yeah, that's the consolation I have, that at least I have ruined some things by suiciding my fleet on HaSu.
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Problem is Theam with the above statement never were ct/nd willing to work with imp but we have been over this 100 times.
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The end of the round is always the best part!
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fail round... glad its over

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I guess this means the round is over?
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

Fun how Asc/ND/CT were free to hit App all round, but chose to focus on Imp instead. Imp even stated they wanted to maintain neutrality You chose how you played your round Theam. Imp didnt even hit back till after a week, to show that we ment the stuff about staying neutral. But you were so bitter over the fact that we werent gonna hand you the roundwin right there that you had to keep attacking imp and let app run away with it. The round was boring as hell, but watching you fail like this compensated hugely.

Bottom line is; you have nothing to complain about, you created the political/military situation as much as everyone else.
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Fun how Asc/ND/CT were free to hit App all round, but chose to focus on Imp instead. Imp even stated they wanted to maintain neutrality You chose how you played your round Theam. Imp didnt even hit back till after a week, to show that we ment the stuff about staying neutral. But you were so bitter over the fact that we werent gonna hand you the roundwin right there that you had to keep attacking imp and let app run away with it. The round was boring as hell, but watching you fail like this compensated hugely.

Bottom line is; you have nothing to complain about, you created the political/military situation as much as everyone else.
I find it amusing how you think we wanted you to "hand us the roundwin" despite the fact we probably weren't anywhere near getting it at any time, simply because our standards aren't as high as they used to be.
You on the other hand obviously had the potential to go for #1, but gave it away by refusing to hit Apprime. You know, we chuckled about the fact you decided to play for #2. We didn't create the situation as much as you did, your HC refused to hit App in the first place. It's not like we could change anything about that, the round was over that very moment.

And to be honest, your statement about "watching us fail" amuses me even more. It's a well known excuse for being shit while not wanting to admit it.
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I find it amusing how you think we wanted you to "hand us the roundwin" despite the fact we probably weren't anywhere near getting it at any time, simply because our standards aren't as high as they used to be.
You on the other hand obviously had the potential to go for #1, but gave it away by refusing to hit Apprime. You know, we chuckled about the fact you decided to play for #2. We didn't create the situation as much as you did, your HC refused to hit App in the first place. It's not like we could change anything about that, the round was over that very moment.

And to be honest, your statement about "watching us fail" amuses me even more. It's a well known excuse for being shit while not wanting to admit it.
Since you asc guys like to point out hypotetical scenarios: If Asc had kept hitting App instead of swtiching to Imp at the time in question while imp had wrapped up their war with ND/CT(killing them off so they're not a threat further into the round), Imp would very likely have hit App at a later stage for #1. Hitting App down with Asc/CT/ND right behing imp on the other hand would have ended in an imp-massacre the last third of the round(my subjective point of view, and you wont really convince me anything else), since both ND and CT maintained their objective to kill imp. Imp didnt want 5 allies with the same value, with 3 of them very hostile and asc as the odd ally out able to run away with it. The round wasnt over at this point, at all(YOUR ability to get to #1 may have been)After being hit by asc/nd/ct for over a week, it was clear that we werent gonna be able to hit app, so we had to hit asc back instead(imagine that). This is the point the round was over in sense of who were winning.

Asc had the option to halt app while imp killed off nd/ct, and then asc and imp could have cooporated on app leaving it a 3 ally race the last half of the round, but you chose to have imp as enemies.

Point is, Imp chose to go one way politicly(temporoary neutrality), Asc chose not to allow it and in effect helped GIVE the round to App. App still deserved it, they outwarred you early on, outroided everyone and influenced the political environment in a favourable fashion.

As for your last statement there, read my second post again; i clearly state that the competition sucked, including myself with capitol letters. Stop sinking your teeth into lemon after lemon.
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Point is, Imp chose to go one way politicly(temporoary neutrality), Asc chose not to allow it and in effect helped GIVE the round to App. App still deserved it, they outwarred you early on, outroided everyone and influenced the political environment in a favourable fashion.
Now read that again. You state App outwarred us (rather easily imo, I might add), yet you pretend Asc hitting App while Imp wastes CT/ND would have led to a 3 ally race. You're contradicting yourself here. The more likely outcome would have been a smashed Ascendancy that had kept Apprime busy for a while to keep Imp in the race for #1. Obviously, Ascendancy preferred not to do the dirty work for you. Ask yourself why...
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No. We had the option to get massacred by Apprime. This is entirely in line with your own post, in which you correctly state they outwarred and outroided us. Arguable, the failure to realise how close Ascendancy were to giving up is what blew your chances.

Seeing no other way to really make the round interesting, some of us hit Imperia and some of us just stopped playing, with more and more people from the former group moving into the second group as the round progressed. The "war" against the horde was a direct result of this quitting, along with the shitness of certain members of Ascendancy.

If your war against ND/CT ever finished (I'm not sure if it did, enlighten me), all other alliances worth mentioning would've been reduced to rubble (us by Apprime, CT/ND by you), leaving just you and Apprime. Apprime would then have had the option to nap you and win, or fight you and win.


The alternative suggested by Ascendancy was coordinated targetting of Apprime, which would knock them down to managable levels (as mass incomings always do). This would've been good for everyone except Apprime:
* It would have kept Ascendancy at least interested in the round.
* While it would by no means guarantee Imperia's round win, it at least kept you in the running. This is true even if you believe it also kept Ascendancy in the running, which I would contest but is irrelevant to the point.
* Cooperation against a shared enemy would also have lowered tensions between Imperia and CT/ND, even without the explicit promise by ND/CT that they would not resume hitting you, which Titos unreasonably and unrealistically insisted on.


As for Apprime, napping Imperia was a masterstroke. I'm not sure if the it was really necessary, but it did reduce the risk of facing a unified universe by an order of magnitude.

I don't know if Cardinal intentionally planted Firebird in Imperia, but even if he didn't, Firebird's presence there certainly didn't hurt Apprime's interests. Furthermore, Cardinal's refusal to break the nap with Imperia, even when the risk to their #1 finish was next to nothing, testifies of an interest in more than a single round win.

I don't think it compares to some of the political play we've seen in previous rounds, but it's certainly a massive improvement over Apprime's usual (i.e. absent) political strategy. If they can keep that up, I expect good things from them in the future. A win well earned.


[edit] I see that some of my points have been made by rUl3r as well.
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No. We had the option to get massacred by Apprime. This is entirely in line with your own post, in which you correctly state they outwarred and outroided us. Arguable, the failure to realise how close Ascendancy were to giving up is what blew your chances.
You were in no means massacred by apprime(well, after you stopped targetting them maybe). And no, i didnt know asc were in such a weak state.
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If your war against ND/CT ever finished (I'm not sure if it did, enlighten me), all other alliances worth mentioning would've been reduced to rubble (us by Apprime, CT/ND by you), leaving just you and Apprime. Apprime would then have had the option to nap you and win, or fight you and win.
We targetted them for 7-10 days after you started hitting us, then they gave up more or less. I doubt anyone didnt think asc were able to last 10 more days against app(except those in asc).
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The alternative suggested by Ascendancy was coordinated targetting of Apprime, which would knock them down to managable levels (as mass incomings always do). This would've been good for everyone except Apprime:
* It would have kept Ascendancy at least interested in the round.
* While it would by no means guarantee Imperia's round win, it at least kept you in the running. This is true even if you believe it also kept Ascendancy in the running, which I would contest but is irrelevant to the point.
* Cooperation against a shared enemy would also have lowered tensions between Imperia and CT/ND, even without the explicit promise by ND/CT that they would not resume hitting you, which Titos unreasonably and unrealistically insisted on.
From what i were told CT said they definatly WOULD keep hitting us after 5 days on app. It's not daft to believe ND would stick with CT in that. It's worth pointing out that imp at this point had an infrastructure that was falling apart, officers not doing anything, inactive hc's etc. The score at this point mostly reflected individual abilities with each member.
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As for Apprime, napping Imperia was a masterstroke. I don't know if Cardinal intentionally planted Firebird in Imperia, but even if he didn't, Firebird's presence there certainly didn't hurt Apprime's interests. Furthermore, Cardinal's refusal to break the nap with Imperia, even when the risk to their #1 finish was next to nothing, testifies of an interest in more than a single round win.
Very true.
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I'm not sure if the nap was really necessary, but it did reduce the risk of facing a unified universe by an order of magnitude.

I don't think it compares to some of the political play we've seen in previous rounds, but it's certainly a massive improvement over Apprime's usual (i.e. absent) political strategy. If they can keep that up, I expect good things from them in the future. A win well earned.
I think the NAP prevented rougue elements in both allies from ****ing up the friendly terms, cause about half of both app and imp wanted to attack eachother most of the round. Well shown by the resoning behind the situation where the nap were dropped.
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Fun how Asc/ND/CT were free to hit App all round, but chose to focus on Imp instead. Imp even stated they wanted to maintain neutrality You chose how you played your round Theam. Imp didnt even hit back till after a week, to show that we ment the stuff about staying neutral. But you were so bitter over the fact that we werent gonna hand you the roundwin right there that you had to keep attacking imp and let app run away with it. The round was boring as hell, but watching you fail like this compensated hugely.

Bottom line is; you have nothing to complain about, you created the political/military situation as much as everyone else.
afaik this is a war game.. and if i read correctly u wanted to remain neutral??
hahahah... so why do you play?
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afaik this is a war game.. and if i read correctly u wanted to remain neutral??
hahahah... so why do you play?
We were fighting nd/ct(whom claimed to keep hitting us 5 days later again) at the time, even if it's a wargame; fighting the #1 ally(with a decent valuelead) and fighting 2 other t5 allies at the same time isnt wise. Especially when we were by far the fattest ally behing app(guess where app would have focused their attacks). Look what happened to Hitlers Germany when he fought on western, eastern and african fronts at the same time.
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Look what happened to Hitlers Germany when he fought on western, eastern and african fronts at the same time.
It's probably worth thinking about that statement a little bit more if you're actually interested in trying to work out why the round ended up going the way it did.
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It's probably worth thinking about that statement a little bit more if you're actually interested in trying to work out why the round ended up going the way it did.
I'm not interested in trying to work out why the round ended up going the way it did. I just want the lemoneaters to have a look in the mirror and be done with this round already. Just because politics didnt go the way some people wanted at pt500, didnt mean they have to sabotage the rest of the round for themself to prove a point. Not being able to congratulate the winners after the ticker has stopped because of what they feel some none-winners has done is just disrespectful to those on the top of the rankings. There are enough threads to take the discussion of hypotetical and actual political moves midround further in, no need to make this thread a lemonparty.

ruler; i state app outwarred you because of asc-members own statement midround, asc were still #3 with full control on the allies behind and had several top planets(including shazna). Even if you were outwarred, you were far from beaten.
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

vamp mate, yea its a war game, but i guess one has a choice who to hit and who not.. so guess that was the choice of imp this time (actually i got no clue what happened as i didnt play last month of the round or sth )

neways, grats to HaSu and Apprime, win is a win !
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Dlr's 2nd attack was Dc'd by myself which = a land the 1st crash from dlr was done by me/hasu and a few others calling. As to carDi planting me in imp that was never the case as i very nearly went to vgn, I just knew in the long run i could trust carDi rather than the others ct/nd were never willing to leave us alone ct more so Santa/Titos and i believe in asc tried to get them to leave us alone. You can full heartedly thank Golan for my utter refusal to work with ASC kicking me from a convo good move on top of his mouthing off last rnd about me. Now to the NAP being dropped this was done by vamp and Cronix who were running app however with carDi being the one the agreement was made with carDi came on and held them to there words. I will say gratz to all winners this rnd. There were obvious donations on both sides which i had reported if MH fail to take action it will only encourage this to happen over and over again.
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You can full heartedly thank Golan for my utter refusal to work with ASC kicking me from a convo good move on top of his mouthing off last rnd about me.
I don't know why he did that. Although he was right, you were pasting everything to cardi pretty much, it was irrelevant, as the others would obviously not refuse to tell you what was being said. I don't remember any mouthing off about you last round though. What was that about?

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Although it's not your fault it's a certainly a large part of the problem with why the round turned out the way it does. It's easier to go with what you know and it's hard to break with the past.
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Worth adding: imperia had the best group of players i've played with since r3, just not a structure worth the memberbase.
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Worth adding: imperia had the best group of players i've played with since r3, just not a structure worth the memberbase.
then you prolly only played in fail alliances upto now...
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I guess that says a lot about the quality of the players you encountered so far.

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Afaik there were only 1 person that were willing to give his word that he werent gonna smash imp 1 week down the road, and that was cardi(most likely because of his and firebird's close relations and the prospect of future cooporation AND ofc the roundwin implied).
At no point during our talks, did Buddah/Titos express their concern about this. And at no point did I tell Buddah/Titos that Ascendancy would break the nap after we were done with Apprime. Also, Golan has been trying a lot, prior to Imperia's nap breaking, to get ND/CT off Imp's back so we can actually do something interesting with the round.

From my point of view, the round went in the lines of this:
-Apprime hit Ascendancy, we get face raped and look for help;
-We establish an avoidance with Imperia, which is broken the second day;
-We drop the avoidance and continue to be raped by Apprime, with the help of some small flak alliances and certain Imperia members;
-After some talks, we NAP Imperia and try to get ND/CT along to hit Apprime and leave Imperia alone;
-Imperia isn't willing to setup a clear attack on Apprime and just grounds fleets fearing ND/CT attacks probably;
-Few days later, Imperia gets hit one night by Apprime and decides to drop the NAP with us and start a new one with Apprime to secure player ranks.

That's my perception of the round and I'm fairly certain it is the same as most other people's. If Imperia manages to be trusted again at some point in the following rounds, it'll be a surprise for me.
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That was the good thing about allot of the people in imp 98% were not jumped up ego's

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Trusted please eablorate on what we actually did that was untrustworthy?? Broke a NAP with ASC and told them that we wanted to stay neutral towards them which we would have so that we could fight our war with ND/CT so please tell me what did we do that was so untrustworthy ?

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Trusted please eablorate on what we actually did that was untrustworthy?? Broke a NAP with ASC and told them that we wanted to stay neutral towards them which we would have so that we could fight our war with ND/CT so please tell me what did we do that was so untrustworthy ?
Wait a min here! Ended a Non Aggression Pact to say you wanted to be neutral? If you end a non aggression pact you are automatically saying you intend to be aggressive, a NAP is actually a guarantee of neutrality.

PA tends to take it as something partisan but it shouldnt be; our NAP with Imperia had not, at the time it was broken, lead to any unified hostile actions against Apprime so was actually operating as it should, a guarantee of neutrality between our two allies.

However in the triangular politics that there was the idea that any two would be neutral vis a vis each other is inherently worrying to the other, so as long as you had a NAP with us App couldnt stand for it, but equally the idea that you could maintain neutrality with us while in Apps good graces is laughable, all you are saying is you hoped for some utopian stability (read stagnation) between the top three that would avoid your fighting either, so basically stagnation was your one and only political goal.
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Trusted please eablorate on what we actually did that was untrustworthy?? Broke a NAP with ASC and told them that we wanted to stay neutral towards them which we would have so that we could fight our war with ND/CT so please tell me what did we do that was so untrustworthy ?
Napped Ascendancy with the purpose of attacking Apprime > got one night of incs from Apprime > dropped NAP with Ascendancy / napped Apprime / claimed you want to stay neutral.

At best, you are an unreliable alliance. At worst you have no backbone. Pick whichever one makes you feel better.

Also, arguments like "as i said the whole time i had no interest in napping anyone" don't work here. We napped Imperia, not Buddah or Titos.
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For what it's worth, I don't consider Imperia's actions this round to have been untrustworthy as much as I think they were dumb.
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Seriously Imperia, stop blaming everyone else for your being the most chicken shit spineless alliance this game has ever seen.
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Seriously Imperia, stop blaming everyone else for your being the most chicken shit spineless alliance this game has ever seen.
This round can be taken as a failure by most alliances (cept Apprime):
- Imperia for flagshipping and refusal to pick a fight
- Ascendancy for not being able to organise an opposition worth mentioning (still wondering why noone asked us ) and flagshipping HaSu in the end
- ND, CT refusal to participate in an opposition
- DLR, xVx for acting/cooperating too late regarding all the escorts hitting us

Also adding insult to injury:
- Servers for sucking seriously
- MHs for allowing lame donations to decide planet win

So I guess we have noone to blame but everyone for this lost round...
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- Ascendancy for not being able to organise an opposition worth mentioning (still wondering why noone asked us ) and flagshipping HaSu in the end
Not saying we're not part of the blame, but why are we solely responsible for organising an opposition? Jugding by the last few rounds, I very much doubt we would be the clear winner if Apprime had been beaten. I'd say atleast Imperia, and probably ND too, are also responsible for organising an opposition.

As for the whole flagshipping thing, that wasn't really an ascendancy thing, more a couple of people deciding to do something. I think most of the members in ascendancy, atleast the older ones, thinks any kind of crashing is lame.
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Partially agree Marka, not totally though.

Main blame is on Imp, ND/CT should've done more to get them to fight instead of being stubborn horses arses. But then again, from what I hear, Imp were such shitbags that they weren't much to try with.

DLR/xVx etc, yes I sort of agree on that one. That's what you get for playing in a small tag, you can't do shit without being hugely threatened, hence really wanting to avoid anything like that. I overall think playing in a tag like that is a form of fencesitting.

Nothing to blame on App/Asc imo. Well played App, you are the toughest ally around atm. Asc, great you tried, I understand all your actions after you lost and nobody still did anything. It's not your job to rally the uni, should've mainly been Imp if they'd have any spine or balls at all.
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

I disagree. I don't think Ascendancy's actions were dumb, we just couldn't manoeuvre alliances around to create an interesting round. It means we failed, no denying there, it might even make us annoying, lazy, past our prime, shit, etc, but it doesn't make us dumb.

As for CT, I'd say they were a little oversensitive about Imperia's recruitment policy, just like Imperia were a little short-sighted as to how their recruitment policy would affect other alliances' attitude towards them. Regardless, CT's (and ND's, to a lesser extent) actions are among the main reasons of why you never thought you could aim for #1, even if you beat them in the end.
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Unread 12 Dec 2010, 13:37   #46
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Well as i said the whole time i had no interest in napping anyone. Yes breaking the NAP was to remain neutral another way around that I suppose we could had NAPPED APP as well then that would have solved that.

Like MZ said ct/nd gave us constant incoming we are a new alliance and in that we dont know what we are capable of people that said they will DC never same with BC's, HC's never got a real grip of one another 1st rnd together i do not know Buddha/Titos from before this rnd.
We learnt allot this rnd internally as to what other allies think who care's never ever gonna please everyone
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

It's not even worth debating these points. If you enjoy good planetarion in terms of quality and entertainment this round can only fill you with disappointment. Everyone is responsible for that.
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Unread 12 Dec 2010, 17:08   #48
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Napped Ascendancy with the purpose of attacking Apprime > got one night of incs from Apprime > dropped NAP with Ascendancy / napped Apprime / claimed you want to stay neutral.


Try getting it correct we did not nap app at all that night after the incoming what we did do was get rid of a nap which was agreed without all 3 HC talking to one another before it happened what i believe actually happened with app is that we told them we would stick to avoiding there heavy gals the same as we said we would do for you.
You talk about backbone if you were that willing to fight you should have fought till the very end rather than just giving up and coming for us
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

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Try getting it correct we did not nap app at all that night after the incoming what we did do was get rid of a nap which was agreed without all 3 HC talking to one another before it happened
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At best, you are an unreliable alliance.
You can sort of see how he could come to that conclusion surely?

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You talk about backbone if you were that willing to fight you should have fought till the very end rather than just giving up and coming for us
And you can't see how we might distrust you somewhat? We'd previously had that exact same arrangement and you'd ended up both hitting our heavy gals repeatedly and fcing our planets. I mean ****ing seriously.
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6

Just out of curiosity - was this round worse than last round, for example?
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