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Unread 21 Sep 2007, 02:56   #1
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shoot in the back of cowards

I suggest the creation of a new building: Missiles silo
It's purpose: shooting at attacking fleets recalling between eta4 and eta1 (including fake attacks then).
The damage would be limited : 1 building kills x value of ships at eta1 (fewer as the eta is higher).
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

Why?
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Unread 21 Sep 2007, 09:27   #3
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

That would actually be fun
Personally I would like it very much, but then again im the type of guy who would shoot a thief in the back as he was running away from my house with or without my belongings.
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Why?
It would make recalling a bit pricey for the fakers.
It would give some salvage to the target who managed to get his attacker to recall.
It would force the attacker to JGP eta5 and make decisions to commit or not BEFORE ingal def is sent (unless they JGP very late into the tick, thus giving an advantage to active players vs those who just launch and go off until eta1).
It would be fun... at least to me.
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

I think its worth some consideration. Obviously, whether its overpowered or totally useless would entirely depend on the value of ships killed, but still.
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

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It would make recalling a bit pricey for the fakers.
Recalling means you don't get roids for the night. Seems pricey enough to me.

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It would give some salvage to the target who managed to get his attacker to recall.
Getting an attacker to recall means you don't lose roids for the night. Seems profit enough to me.

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It would force the attacker to JGP eta5 and make decisions to commit or not BEFORE ingal def is sent (unless they JGP very late into the tick, thus giving an advantage to active players vs those who just launch and go off until eta1)
What's the point here? Why on earth would you want people to recall before defence is even sent?
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Unread 21 Sep 2007, 13:17   #7
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

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Recalling means you don't get roids for the night. Seems pricey enough to me.


Getting an attacker to recall means you don't lose roids for the night. Seems profit enough to me.


What's the point here? Why on earth would you want people to recall before defence is even sent?
1. talking about fakers, they don't intend to get roids in the first place, so i don't understand your comment

2. not losing roids is in no way a profit... i hope you don't run a company or you will go bankrupt very quickly.

3. people would want to scan earlier to recall in case of alliance or cluster def... and by scanning very late at eta5 you can see the ingal def (bonus for active players as i mentionned).

Seems to me that you're just arguing for the sake of it. I don't mind people shooting down my suggestion, finding the flaws is the idea of this forum, but plz try to make valid points.
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2. not losing roids is in no way a profit... i hope you don't run a company or you will go bankrupt very quickly.
Heh, its the difference between Accounting and Economics; in Economics, the prevention of a loss is a gain, whereas with accounting its stuff all.

Clearly, i favour the economist's point of view. Alas, i am prejudiced in its favour... :\


EDIT: i still favour the proposal though. The cost of a Construction is pretty high; given the pressure for Amps, Jammers, Factories, Finance Centres and Security Centres already, a construction that would kill x value of an attacker only if they recall late is pretty hefty. Indeed, a jammer/silo combo might work well, otoh it might not work at all if enough people can scan you... :\
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Unread 21 Sep 2007, 22:39   #9
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I think its worth some consideration. Obviously, whether its overpowered or totally useless would entirely depend on the value of ships killed, but still.
I've taken on board your advice to afford the suggestion some consideration.



The suggestion is completely ridiculous. Why would we want to make people scared of launching fleets? It'd just be a major stagnation-causer and would be incredibly shit for everyone except silo builders.
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

people are used to 0 loss attacks, it was not the case in earlier rounds.
if more silo builders means less dist whores it would be an improvement.
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

Suggestion is fine

but one single addition

silos must be manually fired in the tick after the recall

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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

And make them be able to shoot at any ships within eta 4. And make one type for every class. And name them PDS.
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

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people are used to 0 loss attacks, it was not the case in earlier rounds.
if more silo builders means less dist whores it would be an improvement.

The only planets who are going to (successfully) build silos are the top planets, making them even more secure. This suggestion is just a new slant on PDS, that's all.


As for your 0-loss attack argument, Mz is completely right:

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Recalling means you don't get roids for the night. Seems pricey enough to me.
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And make them be able to shoot at any ships within eta 4. And make one type for every class. And name them PDS.
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

if the missile silo is reject.. maybe change it for a star base!

the star base would be a ship type construction.

it would act as a command post for DEFENSIVE fleet..
armed to defend the planet
attack speed of 1
costly to build
require titan class ship (new class)
require titan construction yard

benefit would be +10% on armor of all defensive fleet.
and xxxxx amount of damage done to attacking fleets.

that would be a nice addition i think..
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

No! ****ing! Superships!
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rop - I've come up with a better name for your suggestion:





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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

the shipclasses are fine as they are, no stupid supership pls
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

hm i like the idea
but as mentioned manually in the tick where the attacker recalls
dealing some damage random between a range depending on how many silos you have and just 1 class of the incoming ships is hit which is also decided by random
OR you can do a research for 1 type where you missels shoot at
so i.e. if someone decided to hit FR with missiles he is not able to build anything similar for another shipclass
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another approach for a star base

you always have one (and only one) starbase and it can't be destroyed.
- starbase can store x% of your fleet
- ships in starbase are safe from attackers and may have some bonuses (e.g. initiative 0)
- ships can be moved into and out the starbase (instantly or at low eta)
- starbase capacity (in %) can be increased via a new research branch

another alternative:
- starbase is filled with interceptors (small ships with low initiative, armor and damage) instead of with produced ships
- interceptors in a starbase regenerate over time (with zero resource cost) up to the starbase limit
- starbase research branch(es) to improve armor, damage and capacity of the starbase
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

are you kidding, i mean seriously. its a war game, it will become more defence orientated which will just be shit
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

It could be used for fake attacks only.
Real attacked recalled manually demand a minimum activity, ok let's keep it this way.
Fake attack is pwerfull in term of disruption/interference but demands nothing, it would be fair to make it a little costly 'if' some players decide to build that special defense building/ship.
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but demands nothing
Wrong! It's the use of a fleet slot (a very finite resource) when that fleet slot could be used for proper roiding or for defence.
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are you kidding, i mean seriously. its a war game, it will become more defence orientated which will just be shit
are you kidding, i mean seriously.
remove defence missions, they are defence orientated and just shit :P
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Re: shoot in the back of cowards

You're an idiot.
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are you kidding, i mean seriously.
remove defence missions, they are defence orientated and just shit :P
its simply a bad idea, it wont help with anything except making ppl think twice about attacking... how can that be good for the game?
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I like anything foxman doesn't like, so aye from me!
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I like anything foxman doesn't like, so aye from me!
pff u love me. and im sure everyone knows i love myself also.
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its simply a bad idea, it wont help with anything except making ppl think twice about attacking... how can that be good for the game?
would make people think twice about 'fake attacking'
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would make people think twice about 'fake attacking'
"fake attacking"? care to inform me what u mean?

this idea will lead to players(specialy the smaller once) not attacking, this would be just as bad for the game, as to bring back pds.
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