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Ultorrents
Last 2 days ult had incs from CT DRL and ND. not really major incs tho they lost some roids as u can see. Only 3 alliances. Ult has been asking for a ceasefire coz they have no experience in war or incs. they are good in galraiding and going for easy roids.
but what happens now, instead of ultorro hitting back their enemies. They launched fullscale on ROCK.
This is a little sad j0, what message do u give to your enemies. HIT us and we will just retal some weaker alliance, coz we dont have any cojones?
im guessing next time ct nd hit ultores, ultores will hit NGO or HR????
is ultores the new omega, just without balls?
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Re: Ultorrents
Actually, we were hit by nd, ct, dlr, ROCK and oddr.
Just shows how little you know ;D
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Re: Ultorrents
Maybe now Angelus won't ignore eksero!
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Re: Ultorrents
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9 Sep 2011, 17:33
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Re: Ultorrents
max when was the last time apprime got over 250 inc fleets in a night ?
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9 Sep 2011, 18:00
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Re: Ultorrents
Bought any new sneakers lately maxx?
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Re: Ultorrents
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max when was the last time apprime got over 250 inc fleets in a night ?
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dumb question.
250 incfleets a night is pretty common thing in apprime. If u played pa before this round u should have known this. But to answer your question: every former round app played we got blocked against. And not like for 2 days as in ults case, but for weeks. Actually most rounds we played there were pre-round blocks fixed against us. 250 fleets inc for just 2/3 days is nothing if u played in apprime tbh. it happened so many times i forgot the count. but when we got block against, we never ask ceasefire and hit back the leading allinaces in that block.
but j0 this thread is about ultorro and their new strategy of bashing weaker alliances who have not much to do with blocking.
sup with that?
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9 Sep 2011, 18:31
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Re: Ultorrents
i saw apprime do the exact same thing
apprime didnt have 250 inc fleets in a while either
atleast have some form of truth in ur cries
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9 Sep 2011, 19:22
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN
but j0 this thread is about ultorro and their new strategy of bashing weaker alliances who have not much to do with blocking.
sup with that?
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Originally Posted by eksero
Actually, we were hit by nd, ct, dlr, ROCK and oddr.
Just shows how little you know ;D
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I guess you just choose to ignore it when someone proves you wrong
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9 Sep 2011, 22:20
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Re: Ultorrents
im sorry eksero i didnt ignore it pal.
so u had incs from rock oddr, who doesnt? so some ult planets had incs from rock oddr... and that means what? they are now part of the block according to u?
but j0, u and me know better eksero. ofcos rock and oddr have nothing to do with any block, its just u who are hc of ultores got a little beating for 2days by nd/ct/dlr and u saw some solos or galraid incs from oddr/rock u decided its better to go for rock and claim they are part of the block. because ult doesnt seem to be strong to look at their enemies up, they look down for easy roids to regain.
its sad mate, thought ult was the new cool place to be.. fighting spirit etc....... fight the best even when outnumbered for only 2 days. but jo go roid rock ngo hr oddr patsa deadsoldiers etc... keep it classy
pls mate
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Re: Ultorrents
stay off the drugs pal ;D
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10 Sep 2011, 21:37
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Re: Ultorrents
Just seems pretty awesome that Ulthores which consisted of 40+ members found an alliance which consisted of 30 people and lolwaved them. If anything, Ult is a pussy alliance. Nuff said.
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10 Sep 2011, 22:04
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Re: Ultorrents
Say what now?
tof and oddr are the only alliances on 30 members, and we haven't targeted either one
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11 Sep 2011, 12:39
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Re: Ultorrents
I believe Fizz is referring to DeadSoldiers who you attacked more then once :/
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Re: Ultorrents
easy roids are easy roids - all the big alliances do it - its what you have to put up with if your a smaller alliance.
Im sure Ultores will rear their head at some point this round and make there mark on it
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11 Sep 2011, 13:05
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Re: Ultorrents
max may be as mad as a box of frogs but he kinda has a point
nd/dlr hit ult.
the next night. ult hit ct
whats that going to achieve other than bring ct into retalling ult ensuring mass incs from nd dlr + ct
i dont understand it. madness!
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11 Sep 2011, 13:10
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by Kaiba
easy roids are easy roids - all the big alliances do it - its what you have to put up with if your a smaller alliance.
Im sure Ultores will rear their head at some point this round and make there mark on it
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It wasn't easy roids. We got literally every attack covered apart from a few which had to land. I lost 500 in 1 night because I closed my incomings so we could spare the ships to defend others. At the end of the day, judging from what I've seen. This is Ult
Launches on big alliance - QQ - Recall
Launches on small alliance - I'm pro - Land.
At the end of the day even if it's easy roids or all the big alliances do it, at least SOME had the decency to stay away. Lolwaves doesn't make it any easier to gain roids when you land on us with 9 CR/BS fleet on 1 target.
Giggity.
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11 Sep 2011, 13:20
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by DarkHeart
max may be as mad as a box of frogs but he kinda has a point
nd/dlr hit ult.
the next night. ult hit ct
whats that going to achieve other than bring ct into retalling ult ensuring mass incs from nd dlr + ct
i dont understand it. madness!
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Your point being? :/
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11 Sep 2011, 13:21
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by Fizz
It wasn't easy roids. We got literally every attack covered apart from a few which had to land. I lost 500 in 1 night because I closed my incomings so we could spare the ships to defend others. At the end of the day, judging from what I've seen. This is Ult
Launches on big alliance - QQ - Recall
Launches on small alliance - I'm pro - Land.
At the end of the day even if it's easy roids or all the big alliances do it, at least SOME had the decency to stay away. Lolwaves doesn't make it any easier to gain roids when you land on us with 9 CR/BS fleet on 1 target.
Giggity.
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11 Sep 2011, 13:27
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Re: Ultorrents
it wasnt my point eksero. as referenced it was maximillians point. and after seeing what ult did (hit ct when nd and dlr with oddr were hitting them) i could see the validity in maxs point.
carry on.
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11 Sep 2011, 13:35
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Re: Ultorrents
Sorry, still don't get what you are trying to say
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11 Sep 2011, 13:36
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Re: Ultorrents
are you guys attacking with spectres again eksero?? LOL
cr/bs would signify DLR or ND are these naughty DFWTK bashers - not Ultores.
Money would be on ND as they are well known for they little guy smashing
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11 Sep 2011, 13:42
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Re: Ultorrents
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but what happens now, instead of ultorro hitting back their enemies. They launched fullscale on <INSERT ALLIANCE NAME HERE>
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHeart
nd/dlr hit ult.
the next night. ult hit ct
whats that going to achieve other than bring ct into retalling ult ensuring mass incs from nd dlr + ct
i dont understand it. madness!
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thats all im sayin eksero its fairly simple. ult seemed to me to be personally inviting ppl to block against them, tis a bit odd, and thats the validty I saw in maxs post.
the nd/dlr/oddr joint room tripled in ppl when ult decided to invite ct into hitting ult.
unless your masterplan was to hit ct to force ct into hitting back, also inviting ROCK so you could then have a valid reason to farm ROCK.
u cunning devil.
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11 Sep 2011, 13:49
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by DarkHeart
thats all im sayin eksero its fairly simple. ult seemed to me to be personally inviting ppl to block against them, tis a bit odd, and thats the validty I saw in maxs post.
the nd/dlr/oddr joint room tripled in ppl when ult decided to invite ct into hitting ult.
unless your masterplan was to hit ct to force ct into hitting back, also inviting ROCK so you could then have a valid reason to farm ROCK.
u cunning devil.
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His point was that we didn't hit back our enemies, but seeing as rock hit us 2 nights running, that's exactly what we did..
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11 Sep 2011, 13:59
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Re: Ultorrents
aye i dont disagree with that.
but thats liek reading the start of a story and the end of a story, completly ignoring the bits in the middle.
case in point
nd + dlr + oddr hit you (the beginning)
you hit ct (The middle)
nd + dlr + oddr + ct + rock hit you. (The middle)
you hit rock (the end?)
ROCK only happened to be there for you to hit them in the end because you decided to hit alliances that werent hitting you (in the middle!)
which was maximillians point. you didnt hit back your enemies. you just created more enemies.
sure eventually you hit back an enemy. you took the scenic route in getting there though
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11 Sep 2011, 14:13
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Re: Ultorrents
That's right!
Not sure what the big fuss about us hitting rock is about though
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Re: Ultorrents
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That's right!
Not sure what the big fuss about us hitting rock is about though
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Re: Ultorrents
Is it my impression, or is ROCK cooperating in attacks with CT on almost all their attacks?
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Re: Ultorrents
I would like to state that we haven't hit ultorres for a while now, basically cause i don't like big gangbangs
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Re: Ultorrents
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Is it my impression, or is ROCK cooperating in attacks with CT on almost all their attacks?
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Re: Ultorrents
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I would like to state that we haven't hit ultorres for a while now, basically cause i don't like big gangbangs
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Re: Ultorrents
time to get some life in this thread oeoe
whats going on in pa universe???
average Joe will give some facts ok
every1 knows xvx had temporary ceasefire with ND which lead to xvx getting backstabbed. xvx got hit alot this round so no1 should blame them for a ceasefire. They were blocked against, they had war with ct most of the round. nd/ct/dlr vs xvx/ult it was right?
while xvx got hit big time, their biggest "friend" in this war ULT has had a nap with CT and ND. i mean we expected ult to have a ceasefire with ND when xvx had 1......but to have a ceasefire with CT aswell? behind the back of xvx????
seems that ULT is very roidfat now (no surprise when they trow their ally under the bus by nap its enemies and go for easy roids), words in the streets say ND block is getting ready to hit ULT. suddenly ULT wants help from their good friend who served them as an incmagnet.
what say u?
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21 Sep 2011, 22:31
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Re: Ultorrents
Well, you may be right Max.. I am not in the 'know', but it seems obvious Ult napped CT as well, and why they would want to NAP a weak CT I dont know. There are easier roids out there I suppose.
However, and I speak only for myself here, but I feel that the general feeling is that none in xVx would like to see ND win this round after receiving around 300 incoming fleets by them and 2/3 flak alliances each night for the better part of the last 10-11 days. If it turns out to be Ultores that wins this round... meh.. as long as it is not ND. Just my two cents.
Of course, I dont think xVx are out of this just yet!
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21 Sep 2011, 22:43
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Re: Ultorrents
nd have a history of crumbling under pressure - they leak roids and crash ships very quickly when the 'shit' hits the fan
Time will tell as to wether history will repeat itself... lets all hope it does
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by Kaiba
nd have a history of crumbling under pressure - they leak roids and crash ships very quickly when the 'shit' hits the fan
Time will tell as to wether history will repeat itself... lets all hope it does
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as if this hasnt happened to every alliance who has been around for more then 3 days? Where do you come up with this stuff kaiba lol.
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22 Sep 2011, 05:33
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by Kaiba
nd have a history of crumbling under pressure - they leak roids and crash ships very quickly when the 'shit' hits the fan
Time will tell as to wether history will repeat itself... lets all hope it does
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You are funny. Especially when your ally is crashing 4 fleets everyday in the last 3-4 days.
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22 Sep 2011, 06:35
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Re: Ultorrents
did i say xVx was any better??? there is a massive difference between defensive and offensive crashes tho - ITS CALLED SALVAGE!!
seeing the incommings xVx has had i would say they have defended like pros and done well - in 11 days they have lost about 11-12k roids... NewDawn will lose that in 2-3 days thats the point - YOU LOSE THEM FAST!!
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Re: Ultorrents
Haha, i remember seeing some of xvx members kicked from ally and exiled to c200 after they crashed on attack, so stop the bullshit. You guys are crashing as we are as most of alliances is.
xVx lost 18,174 roids in 7 days according to KIA. So can u learn maths and stop the shit talking without any reasonable facts? Thank you.
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Re: Ultorrents
60.6k to 48.6 in 4 days and yes you got salvage for losing 300k specs ... but they didnt kill anything ... thats like trying to buy more shit ith a credit card bc it has cash rewards.
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Re: Ultorrents
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60.6k to 48.6 in 4 days and yes you got salvage for losing 300k specs ... but they didnt kill anything ... thats like trying to buy more shit ith a credit card bc it has cash rewards.
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Re: Ultorrents
got to love nd/ct crashers got to love em <3
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Re: Ultorrents
CT and ND have crashed waaaay more value on attacks than xVx have crashed on defence. Hell, this guy alone has crashed more than the whole of xvx: http://knowitall.cthq.net/index.php?...et&x=2&y=7&z=4
Edit: In case they remove coords, i am referring to the top crasher of the day.
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Re: Ultorrents
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nd have a history of crumbling under pressure - they leak roids and crash ships very quickly when the 'shit' hits the fan
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Re: Ultorrents
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Originally Posted by Gio2k
CT and ND have crashed waaaay more value on attacks than xVx have crashed on defence. Hell, this guy alone has crashed more than the whole of xvx: http://knowitall.cthq.net/index.php?...et&x=2&y=7&z=4
Edit: In case they remove coords, i am referring to the top crasher of the day.
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Re: Ultorrents
the word there Maniac is DEFcrash - that means he got salvage - all these offensive nd crashers arent getting any - its just bye bye fleets
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Re: Ultorrents
kaiba check this out buddy ... we lose 500k between 6 planets 4 not ounting to nd score you lose 1 mil AFTER salvage?? ... soem DEF crashes (remember this is your key word) lost 200k specs without killing anything ... but you know what youre right you got salvage so its ok yeah?
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Re: Ultorrents
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kaiba check this out buddy ... we lose 500k between 6 planets 4 not ounting to nd score you lose 1 mil AFTER salvage?? ... soem DEF crashes (remember this is your key word) lost 200k specs without killing anything ... but you know what youre right you got salvage so its ok yeah?
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This is the a snapshot of the average def report vs. ND crash pilots.
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...vvesixj33fk1rd
defender lost around 10k broad value, due to salvage gains,, attacker - well gained like 25 roids each since it was over crowded. for a price of 80k value!!
....Capping 158 roids at 467k value with 65% bonus will repay in 716 ticks (29 days) Feudalism: 659 ticks (27 days)...
I rest my case
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Re: Ultorrents
[07:36:06] <Ivar> !roidcost 0 500k 50
[07:36:06] <+Atlantis> Another NewDawn landing, eh?
whats there to discuss.. these things aint implenented for nothing:P
PS: this round dlr and CT are kinda worth a mention in that command as well :P
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23 Sep 2011, 07:07
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Re: Ultorrents
Thats not case meet rested Killeah, you havent factored in a ton of things... I suppose the eziest thing to point out is that shitty roid cost calc is so lame because it doesnt allow for roid swing.. You are mining more they are mining less so the rebuild to a status quo from before the land is actually half and then divisible by the number of attackers ( + Value mined by the defenders over x ticks x being the revised ticks based on the variables)...all you did was get a man hour cost, so lazy/lame!
Then theres loads more stuff to factor in but its way too early in the morning. Im not saying it was wrong or right to land in that example by the way, but using roid cost off a bot is probably the shittest way to try to make a point! So lazy!
Last edited by DarkHeart; 23 Sep 2011 at 07:23.
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23 Sep 2011, 07:34
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Re: Ultorrents
Fair enough DH, I get ya, ofc. there´s tons of factors to count in wether this is a tactic worth playing when you´re waging a war, and roiding off the opposition.
However...
I was merely putting the discussion to an example, since I was detecting some claims that ND did not crash that much.
And my definition of a crash is when you´re loosing ships - and lots of them, - or let me rephrase - its a value crash.
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