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Unread 28 Sep 2012, 09:37   #1
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If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

....what would it be ?

Some examples:

The ability to, when viewing a scan you made, have a link on that scan to a newer version of that scan if anyone in the universe has made it.

The ability to queue more researches/constructions

Having a special asteroid with your nickname on it released into the universe after shuffle (or you starting with it? bye bye anonymity)

Some sort of Planetarion IRC vhost

Some sort of Planetarion-based e-mail address

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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

yeah they all sound good.

i think the scans one is possibly bad though. example, get scans done of yourself then just check to see if new scan is done, then you know someone might be attacking you.

extra queue for more money makes sense. people with jobs have less time but more money.

nickname roid? something fun i suppose.

IRC vhost and email both good ideas. although, will they only last 1 round?

also, possibly this suggestion that i made?
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

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IRC vhost and email both good ideas. although, will they only last 1 round?
I think it'd have to have some sort of time limit on it, whether a round or a year?
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also, possibly this suggestion that i made?
I was thinking of giving that for free as that's just information you already have. I'll try and see if I can come up with a quick page next week, most of the code is around somewhere so it's a 2 hour jobbie.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

Additional Queues, extended PL back to what was 'normal' maybe. Any of these would work.

Although I'd be interested to know, is this an idea of yours for improving the game and getting more dev funds or is Jagex looking to bleed us dry :P!
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

i think anything that drastically alters the game mechanics, whether i agree with how it is or not, would be bad. so things like paying to have extended PL would not be good.

all those things that appoco mentioned, imo, are not ways to win. they are just ways to improve your playing experience.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

I am not convinced that the mechanism of paying for ingame advantages is the right path to follow. I have nightmare visions of Farmville.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

i do not see it as a problem if it doesnt give an unfair advantage. extra skins, vhost on comunit, pa email are no extra advantage. even a couple of extra queue slots doesnt give some major advantage.

however, if it becomes things like extra PL ticks, extra ships, special researches for extra cores, that is very dangerous.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

I hate pay2win games but PA has been to some extent one for years (upgrades) and as long as its fairly simple like upgrades, like extended queues I think its fine.

It's when you can buy resources for money, and more than once per round that games become truly pay2win and god awful.

I wouldn't want to go any further than whats already been suggested in this thread and any other none game breaking changes.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

Just to clarify, this is not looking for ways to get more credits from the community without investing in the game. This is more of a "assuming the game grows a bit more, what things that aren't game-changing would you actually be prepared to part with a small amount of money over?"

Merchandising (and non-credit prizes for winners) are completely different areas of conversation that would also come up assuming more attention and time is spent on the game.

I'm personally strongly against making paying more of a differentiator than the upgrade bonus (which is already large enough). Hence, most of my changes being more of this nature.

Interested that people think that changing the queuing would be OK but prelaunch would not be OK (both activity-related).
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

Prelaunch has a much more profound impact on the game than queuing does.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

i'd pay for the ability to have a 2nd planet. :P
a 4th fleet slot would be worth something too i guess.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

I guess a credit for an alliance scan planet (or a second planet) would make sense. I'm not sure what limitations second planets would need to have, tbh. (even assuming that we ever went ahead with what is quite a controversial idea)
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

i would be strongly opposed to 2nd planet for a credit or 4th fleet slot. its not having a second planet that i have a problem with, it is that you would be able to buy success. keep it as just little visual/convenience benefits not huge game changing effects.
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I agree with Rein, 4th fleet slots or extra planets are huge advantages, unless there were free versions of them as well with some sort of annoying but light restrictions on their usage.
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i would be strongly opposed to 2nd planet for a credit or 4th fleet slot. its not having a second planet that i have a problem with, it is that you would be able to buy success. keep it as just little visual/convenience benefits not huge game changing effects.
If your score is based on the average of the 2 planets, it will reward activity. Paying to be more active is a good deal.
You could use the 2nd planet to do cov ops, or scans... that's what's already done at alliance level.
Limitations could be: can't have both planets in an alliance. If you get one in any ally, the other one will remain allianceless. ofc you could not have the 2 planets in the same gal even by exiling... really plenty of possibilities to make it balanced.
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i dont see how any of that balances it to be honest. still gives huge advantage to people who are ok with paying for success. and if you throw in all those limitations it just makes it kind of pointless.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

with the small community that is left now, i actually think it would be more interesting to allow every players having a 2nd planet. (for free)
Would bring a whole new level of gameplay in motion, and more planets.

(Both planets must be in same alliance etc..)
Would open to even more alliances, and more game play...

Just throwing it out there... AGAIN
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with the small community that is left now, i actually think it would be more interesting to allow every players having a 2nd planet. (for free)
Would bring a whole new level of gameplay in motion, and more planets.

(Both planets must be in same alliance etc..)
Would open to even more alliances, and more game play...

Just throwing it out there... AGAIN

And would possibly mean that Ultores could split into 2 tags - one of super actives and one of slightly less actives and come 1st and 2nd each round!!! AWESOME
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

Tbh a credit upgrade alreadys gives you a couple of big advanatges....

Auto reported incommings... something that makes a real difference to your round compared to a free account.

Paid account scanners scans stick around longer.... can be invaluable in an alliance to have a 10 tick old AU scan instead of no scan at all (makes you able to calc def)

An accumulative roid boost... this can be nearly 400 roids for free if taken at the right time and if your in an alliance like Ultores those are 400 roids you will keep and could make you rank higher.



Bar a 2nd planet which is the lamest idea out there, there isnt really a bad bonus you can give for a '2nd upgrade'. The first ones give a massive advanatge over a non paid account so whats the difference??
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I just dont trust certain players to have 1 account let alone 2 accounts
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

Being allowed to have double the number of planets legally will not have any impact whatsoever on the number of planets people have illegally.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

Both planets under same login ofcourse. (if it were to happend)
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Being allowed to have double the number of planets legally will not have any impact whatsoever on the number of planets people have illegally.
how does one come to that conclusion?
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

How not? People who have multiple planets have already shown they don't care about the limits set for us by the rules. Why would a change in them affect them at all?
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

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How not? People who have multiple planets have already shown they don't care about the limits set for us by the rules. Why would a change in them affect them at all?
that conclusion seem highly logical to me
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do you trust multihunters with the current workload?
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What does that have to do with anything?
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tbh... simple answer: NO

I've reported several highly scetchy breps and planets over the rounds, which has always ended in the same result: Nothing!
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So you are looking for a way to get more money from this game, which is ok when you really put that back into its development.

I once suggested a news ticker which even made it into the game (news feed). I suggest you make a banner sized feed visible all times in some corner of the general PA interface.
Once added show all the "news feed" stuff there and allow the players to send short messages there (via SMS/Paypal). This is nor game changing nor interfering at all, just a small addition which can be used for alliance propaganda and so on... I've seen this is some other games and it seems the guys make some money with it.
I think adding social stuff like this is always good. And if you don't like it, don't use it. As said, it doesn't interfere with gameplay in any way.
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Honestly if it doesn't provide a decent in game boost/advantage I wouldn't pay the cost of another credit to get it. If it's cheaper micro-transaction kind of costs then some of those ideas like extra queuing of con/res would be nice.
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only that make sense for me is an extra fleet slot
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Wait wait wait wait....

An EXTRA credit?! The game's hardly worth the single credit we pay at the moment, there's been no serious development gone into the game in the last ten years, and you're trying to think of more erroneous things to charge for?

So we pay our £5 (/whatever) to get the current "exclusive benefits" and you're suggesting we pay another £5 (/whatever) for "exclusive benefits+"?

I think this is the single motherf**king cheekiest thing I've ever f**king heard.
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But does that mean the likes of PA will just be shut down? At the end of the day it currently turns a profit. It is atleast sellable to someone. It would be a bad business move to close down a game that MAKES you money.
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It means nothing.
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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

Planetarion still breaks even (I believe it turns a small profit but nothing substantial). My understanding is that, as it's running and is relatively cheap to run, they'll keep running it and won't look to sell it as long as people keep playing it.

There are other things going on too which are the things I keep waiting to speak about but can't, and I don't know how they fit in to things.

I have not spoken directly to Mark since I met him; however, I've spoken to people who have had informal conversations with him fairly regularly.

Kenny, if you read my post you'll say that I wouldn't consider putting in any of these measures unless / until substantial development is ongoing; I would personally not like seeing charging additional money for the game until the community can agree that the game is moving forwards properly again and nothing I've heard suggests that others hold a different opinion to me (either within or outside of Jagex)
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Am I dreaming or does Appoco open the door ajar for the ability to name your asteroids??

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Re: If you had to pay an extra credit for a "restricted" feature....

only thing i`d pay extra for would be 2nd planet (with 1-2 fleets, scan/resource hording planet/moon) or whatever someone comes up with.. this kind of change should be made public tho without any extra pay needed neways, but this wont happen neways and planetarion just dies and dies and dies

i would never pay for having any cosmetics done for an extra credit, nor does an asteroid named by me make me happy..
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I would pay for:

- more qeues - atleast 6 each.
- The possibility to change Gov at will throughout the round.(max 3 times)
- Being able to salvage ships at full refund
- Being able to cancel production at any time, for full refund.

The above combined, yea possibly another credit, I need to think about a few more to add to make it truly worthwhile.

And tbh, it's not huge advantages over those who don't get it.
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Many of Jagex’s previous development initiatives outside of RuneScape were treated as hobbies by the studio’s founders, claims the developer’s CEO.

In a frank interview with Develop, Mark Gerhard said users met games such as 8Realms with the appropriate response after development was not taken seriously enough.

Jagex announced in May that it was closing ithe MMO, which reportedly had only managed to attract ten per cent of the user figures needed to turn a profit.

As a result of the game's closure, a number of staff lost their jobs whlist others were move to other positions within the company.

With other projects such as MechScape cancelled and development on Stellar Dawn suspended, he said that Jagex was now focusing solely on the projects that matter.

“Candidly, our previous development initiatives were very much hobby projects from the founders, and I think they were met with an appropriate response by the community and prospective customers,” said Gerhard.

“I think the historic focus was only RuneScape really, and everything else was a little bit of a blue sky distraction. ‘Hey this will be fun, lets dabble in this, let’s go do that’. I think it’s like anything in life, unless you take it very seriously and you make the right decisions, the necessary efforts, or appropriate investment, you can’t expect success.

“I think to other projects, like 8Realms and things like that, I think that was one of the last hobby projects that we carried through, and obviously that was evident. Now it’s just working on the projects that matter.”

Jagex is now working on games such as Transformers Universe, which it hopes to release in beta by the end of the year.
Oh and Appoco: You should seriously stop announcing an announcement. Jagex is not supporting you. They let you take the fire.. Just ask them to accept Spinner's offer and sell this game to someone less annoying than them. No extra credit on earth would save PA with such an incapable ruler which makes us really miss zPeti!
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Korsan had a good idea about a chatbox thing for ingame. every round you should be able to get 10 free "shouts" which you can use in the chatbox, with the credit that you pay for maybe 1000 extra "shouts" this can be used by people how ever they see fit within the rules of the game. i know a lot of people don't use IRC much nowadays and its a lot easier just to have the game open in a browser than it is to have IRC open aswell.

As for the two planets idea i think if we made a comitment to actually agreeing on this idea then we could make rules for it ourselves as a community on how it should work, i personally like the two planets average = your score, so people who want to still win need to run their 2nd planet less like a scan planet.
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Oh and Appoco: You should seriously stop announcing an announcement. Jagex is not supporting you. They let you take the fire.. Just ask them to accept Spinner's offer and sell this game to someone less annoying than them. No extra credit on earth would save PA with such an incapable ruler which makes us really miss zPeti!
I did read the announcement and if anything it only makes more sense, based on what I know.

I will try to stop announcing announcements. It's frustrating for everyone.
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I did read the announcement and if anything it only makes more sense, based on what I know.

I will try to stop announcing announcements. It's frustrating for everyone.
You really kill me man... It's like your girlfriend who keeps telling you all the time "I bought your birthday present but I won't tell you"

PS that really wasn't meant as offense Appocomaster
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Things you might pay an extra credit for?

-Maybe one credit can give you 3 Govt change credits? Allowing you to change govts mid round ... one credits cost tho should let you do this a few times or be incorporated into a larger bonus. (this credit would stay with your account until all three are used)

-Scans not blocked by dissies, with the exception of inc scans?

I actually think the scans thing should just be standard now. But ideas.
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in that perk package you could have

3 credits to be used for perks

1. govt changes
2. tech skips .... (skip a tech ... IE skip fr/de research(max 1 2 or 3 per round idk)) (this cant be used for cores, struct res, or hct)
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Goverment change idea i like, but im afraid it would make those eligble to swap from demo to corp. Unless some major changes on goverments.
Making dists pointless is a really really bad idea imo. It's a strategy to spam distorders, why would we want to ruin that?
Because you got one too many incs that you couldn't scan for fake / real?
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People would pay or quit which isnt good. That package would be too needed to actually play on a high level. Even 1 gov change would make it way to good for people not to pay.
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yeah meaning more profit for PA :P but 1 govt change isnt enough for a credit by itself
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its not more profit if alot of players quit cause it now costs twice as much to play
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I might pay to get bbutcher sked
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