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On what basis are the beta testers picked?
Cause there isnt much info provided on the applications...
I'm just curious
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12 Aug 2003, 13:27
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Re: On what basis are the beta testers picked?
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Cause there isnt much info provided on the applications...
I'm just curious
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12 Aug 2003, 13:29
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Would have been nice to send a mail back, even/especially when you're not chosen  I think I checked my mailbox about 50 times yesterday and the days before
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12 Aug 2003, 13:39
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I would guess that they are chosen randomly with an even number of people from each category of experience selected, so that there is an even spread of players from veteran to n00b.
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12 Aug 2003, 13:43
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I would guess that they are chosen randomly with an even number of people from each category of experience selected, so that there is an even spread of players from veteran to n00b.
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But it's Spinner picking remember 
TBH I would like to play but if not picked I will wait for the public beta.
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12 Aug 2003, 14:30
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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'he's nice'
'yeah i know him too'
'oh he did well last beta's'
'can't miss him out'
'thats a friend of zokum'
'a petru's kronies'
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12 Aug 2003, 14:39
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Finland
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They avoid all people involved with Jonas.
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12 Aug 2003, 14:41
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Noruega
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has all mails been sent out?
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12 Aug 2003, 14:46
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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has all mails been sent out?
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12 Aug 2003, 15:08
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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12 Aug 2003, 15:16
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: The other side of the galaxy ;)
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Originally posted by Knight Theamion
'he's nice'
'yeah i know him too'
'oh he did well last beta's'
'can't miss him out'
'thats a friend of zokum'
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12 Aug 2003, 15:52
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Shropshire, England
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ace
TBH I would like to play but if not picked I will wait for the public beta.
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Decide ur never playing again cause spinner upset you?
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12 Aug 2003, 16:12
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U've been Moderated
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: getting sex0red by pretty women
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friends of pa team plus about 5 n00bs so they can say they were picked randomly
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12 Aug 2003, 16:18
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lmao, thats was the last 1! - the 5 n00bs!
This is different! They have a random from each experience category!
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12 Aug 2003, 16:19
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I would guess that they are chosen randomly with an even number of people from each category of experience selected, so that there is an even spread of players from veteran to n00b.
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12 Aug 2003, 16:20
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Or the 200 ppl who said they were n00bs!
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12 Aug 2003, 16:21
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True!
I suspect most ppl ticked that wether it was true or not!
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12 Aug 2003, 16:50
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Join Date: Apr 2000
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I suspect it just picked random people - with the sort of questions presented there is little chance of basing it on any other factors.
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12 Aug 2003, 18:19
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Mr. Blobby
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Donating me substantial amounts of money may* increase your chance to get a spot in the beta.
* then again, it may not. Donate anyway.
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12 Aug 2003, 19:01
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Netherlands
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Is 15€ not substantional enough then
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Mr. Blobby
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Is 15€ not substantional enough then
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12 Aug 2003, 22:08
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Most unimportant guy...
Join Date: Oct 2000
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They avoid all people involved with Jonas.
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12 Aug 2003, 22:10
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Most unimportant guy...
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Originally posted by xtothez
But does it take into account that 90% of noobs will have ticked the "I know the stats off by heart" button thinking it would get them in?
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12 Aug 2003, 23:03
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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All should be able to try the beta b4 trying the public beta, as u have an advantage if u move from free to payed uni asap.
As it is atm, those in the beta have a huge advantage imo.
I will prolly get the info from others in the beta atm, but still, it wont be the same, and many wont get that info.
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Quote:
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I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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So, whos email worked in the end then?
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13 Aug 2003, 05:51
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: usa
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As it is atm, those in the beta have a huge advantage imo.
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I seriously doubt it was random and they certainly didnt look at the isp's country\regional demigraphics. Prolly already had a list of "friends of beta testers" done.
Do I feel jilted, thrown away for not getting in? NOPE, i like being the underdog. i believe one gets much more enjoyment starting from scatch in any adventure.
Will i have a chance to reach the top 500, 1000?? "see above"
..thank you for your time....
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13 Aug 2003, 06:39
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It was my understanding that there will be a huge, totally free, open (public) beta test after this round of testing, so I don't see the problem exactly. Everyone who wants to, will be able to play then.
Obviously, if you're really into PA and have a strong drive to better it (plus loads of ideas to throw out there) then I can understand the frustration at not being selected for preliminary testing.
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Suomi
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Obviously, if you're really into PA and have a strong drive to better it (plus loads of ideas to throw out there) then I can understand the frustration at not being selected for preliminary testing.
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Most unimportant guy...
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Kvinesdal
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Well
Its always the same people playing the beta...some are atleast always there.
-Jonas-
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Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: England
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damn those beta testers, damn them to hell.
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<Pies> saying ive got a ego
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Round2 - Round 10
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Heresy
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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I know a few of those who got in this time, and none of them are in any way involved with the team, nor Spinner.
They are not 'famous', heck, they dont even use these boards.
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally posted by dabult
I know a few of those who got in this time, and none of them are in any way involved with the team, nor Spinner.
They are not 'famous', heck, they dont even use these boards.
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13 Aug 2003, 12:39
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I wonder how many who sent in an application(or more)
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Yeah, it was vaugely random I think
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13 Aug 2003, 12:55
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Its pretty clear that those who were active good testers in the first beta, still are in there.
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Its pretty clear that those who were active good testers in the first beta, still are in there.
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Pretty much what Theamion said.
Worked for me.
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It was my understanding that there will be a huge, totally free, open (public) beta test after this round of testing, so I don't see the problem exactly. Everyone who wants to, will be able to play then.
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I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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Seeing how I and at least 3 other of my friends got selected without having anything to do with pa crew or team or anything, not being in the same alliance or sharing same country... I´d say they did a pretty good of picking random ppl.
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Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
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I would guess that they are chosen randomly with an even number of people from each category of experience selected, so that there is an even spread of players from veteran to n00b.
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for instance, technically I'm a vet cause I played since r1 till now. But when it comes to actual playing skills I'm only an avg player. I'm sure there are some newbie players that probably can manage their planet alot better.
rgds Kj
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Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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But does it take into account that 90% of noobs will have ticked the "I know the stats off by heart" button thinking it would get them in?
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Proud to have been in :
The Empire, Suicide Kings[TLoG], Wolfpack,
VtS, CpV, RAH, ND, Jenova, xVx, Ascendancy, Rainbows, Kittenz, Faceless, Ironborn and RED.
Played in rounds :
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But does it take into account that 90% of noobs will have ticked the "I know the stats off by heart" button thinking it would get them in?
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Join Date: Mar 2000
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I would have liked to got in
Given that it would give me something to do,
I have had past experience in beta testing comercial software
I like PA, and want to contribute
I didn't - I don't mind too much
BUT it would be nice for the PA team to keep us informed,
'we have now selected the members, stop checking your e-mails'
I know it was on IRC, but it doesn't show much for the relationships between creator and player, I mite 4get about the 22nd now I have no need to goto www.planetarion.com again.
They may forget to announce it!
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BUT it would be nice for the PA team to keep us informed,
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Klaatu barada nikto
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 3,237
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Originally posted by JC
Yeh i thought that as well. The first thing i did this morning was check the portal and then the forums to see if the beta emails had been sent out. I very very very rarely go in #planetarion so putting up important info up in the topic there isnt much use to me :/.
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Hehe. Yeah, first they nuke the Announcements in the forums and tell everyone to go to the Portal. Then they bypass the portal and start putting announcements on #planetarion.
It's like a shell game.
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14 Aug 2003, 00:16
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Ensign
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: An intricate fantasy world.
Posts: 166
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Im not sure I see the point of beta's. You pick random people, most of which dont understand the game mechanics, and then probably ignore them anyway.
Might as well proceed to an open stress test rather than 'lets let 200 in, but ban any public discussion to not get people interested' as all thats happening is the vets are getting pissed that the round will start with a lot of people in the know and the rest not.
The only constructive useful feedback ever to come out of the beta group has been from the beta forums, and the relevance of a running beta is largely inconsequential to those taking part anyway.
And no, I dont really care anyway as I have no intention of paying for round 10.
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14 Aug 2003, 19:11
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Condemned to RP
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,654
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Spinner and Fuge put up a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge dartboard and stuck all the names on them and threw a few hundred darts.
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