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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 01:28   #1
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Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

... to write about 400 words about A round of Planetarion involving a bit of a description of the rules and the alliances that were formed for the new (and actually with content this time) portal history section.

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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 02:00   #2
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erm im an old player dont know how much i can remember though i tend to forget what i did an hour ago let alone 2 years ago

but im sure i can contact a few of the old r1 lads if you like to get some information from them
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erm im an old player
I have always admired planetarion for the diverse age groups of players involved, but i dont believe that was what he meant
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Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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... to write about 400 words about A round of Planetarion involving a bit of a description of the rules and the alliances that were formed for the new (and actually with content this time) portal history section.

Wanted:
R1-8 (400 words on each ish)

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Nothing except your name credited on the place the text is - sorry :/

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Word of warning: Be extremely careful in how you employ this. Every alliance has its own history, especially in regard to its impact within the round. The entire "who backstabbed who" issue really should be left out of it and imo you are going to need to edit what people say if you employ this as some sort of history thing.
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 05:43   #6
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Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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Word of warning: Be extremely careful in how you employ this. Every alliance has its own history, especially in regard to its impact within the round. The entire "who backstabbed who" issue really should be left out of it and imo you are going to need to edit what people say if you employ this as some sort of history thing.
Afraid you might get 'branded' on the portal?
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 13:03   #9
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If the author of an article on Round 7 is Titans, Fury will be described as being backstabbing bastards, if the author is Fury, Titans will be described as fking up the alliance with the Valy incident.

If the author on R3 is Legion, they'll describe Wolfpack as a group of traitors who left them, if the author is Wolfpack, the article will say that Wolfpack was the original Legion, without all the dead weight.

If only one description of each round is chosen - it has to be unbiased or at least mention both points of view. If several articles are chosen per round, then it doesn't matter, as long as there is a good spread between articles.
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 14:02   #10
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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If the author of an article on Round 7 is Titans, Fury will be described as being backstabbing bastards, if the author is Fury, Titans will be described as fking up the alliance with the Valy incident.

If the author on R3 is Legion, they'll describe Wolfpack as a group of traitors who left them, if the author is Wolfpack, the article will say that Wolfpack was the original Legion, without all the dead weight.

If only one description of each round is chosen - it has to be unbiased or at least mention both points of view. If several articles are chosen per round, then it doesn't matter, as long as there is a good spread between articles.
Quite.

Either more than one account should be given or at least each writer's political persuasion should be stated with their name.
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 14:32   #11
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Leshy already answered for me. Our rivalry is over Parra, get a grip
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 15:06   #12
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i've played since the second month of the first round, and i can remember most of the rounds since, and i've never been in an alliance bigger than ICD (who were like 7th in round 2) so i'm kind of unbiased (i hate all big alliances equally )

tell a lie... i do have preferences among big alliances... thought it has to be said, i used to like Fury, and now i don't, so who knows...
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 18:18   #13
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400 words are woefully few to attempt to describe the political and military machinations of a lengthy and active round. i.e. While I'm sure the initial flurry in round 3 will be mentioned, once Fury/Legion attain power would the author insert the activities of the rest of the game who operated separately from L/F? i.e. 'minor' wars and so on.
And of course Zhil's point about bias is well made, adding to that the fact that any author will know more about one 'sphere' of the round than the others, and will hence inadvertently ignore many other important alliances/events in the process - Either because they did not directly affect them, or they simply have no knowledge of them.
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 18:30   #14
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400 words are woefully few to attempt to describe the political and military machinations of a lengthy and active round. i.e. While I'm sure the initial flurry in round 3 will be mentioned, once Fury/Legion attain power would the author insert the activities of the rest of the game who operated separately from L/F? i.e. 'minor' wars and so on.
And of course Zhil's point about bias is well made, adding to that the fact that any author will know more about one 'sphere' of the round than the others, and will hence inadvertently ignore many other important alliances/events in the process - Either because they did not directly affect them, or they simply have no knowledge of them.
Exactly, I know very little myself of what medium/small alliances were up to during many of the rounds (r3+) I know if I wrote a history I would focus upon the main wars, so thats bias already \o/
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Unread 22 Jan 2003, 18:33   #15
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The other points are that even within the "large" alliances there were many things going on that only 1 or 2 of the HC/exec knew about. So while one person can say they were HC and can tell you all about a certain round they didnt know it all either. People like to remember what they want to remember and gloss over certain events that were flaws.

Any article will then be basically flawed so why bother anyway. Most of the people who helped shape the game have left due to the ridiculous tweaks ppl like spinner made. Its totally irrelevant these days as you barely see any of them anyway. All that will happens is ppl will dispute certain points and then the trolling will continue. A better article would be to ask spinner about his "tweaks" to protect n00bs and how they killed the game over the rounds.
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Hey I'm 44. and hell I can't even remember what I did in round 8 except being in swarm and the round ending terrebly... my first round was round 3 then played 4 and skipped 5 and thenplayed 6,7,8. wish my memory was better to help. I guess too many drinks and drugs in my younger days heh heh it was fun though I think.....
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1) you know what I meant when I said "old" players so stop with the elderly people jokes please

2) I know that any account that is submitted is going to be biased. This was more a "finding out who was interested" thread than anything else.
Judging by current interest levels it might not come to fruition on R9 portal, although the downloads for the information that I've gathered with the help of the community will be available.

3) This was the reason that I set an approximate word limit of 400 words. because it was obvious that more than one post would be needed per round, and people generally don't want to read 2 3000 word submissions. Short and snappy is the order of the day.

4) Coffee - Please see your forum PM's - Round 1 players seem to be a rare breed nowadays.

5) @ Fred of Bedrock
The reason for bothering is that many of the new people, and a few of the older PA generation want to know what went on all those rounds ago. Planetarion generates its own history like it or not and I think it would be a good idea to collate some of it before everyone who played the early rounds has left.

6) The editor always reserves the right to edit the exact wording to make stuff fit - but I promise that anyone who can contribute will be credited.

This is an ongoing project throughout R9 with the aim of getting hold of the content before it is too late. All submissions welcome

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In this thread.

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I just gave you the history. The game was great till spinner tweaked it to death to protect n00bs. I hope that gets posted in the games history.

ps there arent any new ppl
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I have always admired planetarion for the diverse age groups of players involved, but i dont believe that was what he meant
cheaky wench why i ought to bend you over my knee and give you a good spanking fs

btw im also a r1 whore and i can dig up at least 5 more including 2 who rent rooms off me
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i played round 1 too, i was in 22:6, we sucked but we had fun

some guy in 8:18 kept attacking me most days in the last 3 weeks of the round but he never got through 'cos the only 2 other actives in the gal kicked ass we didn't do too badly for a galaxy of 3 actives (out of no more than 20 planets, we had at least 2 multis as well... inactive... only one of which got caught (stupid really, they had obvious multi names, like Endor 4 and Endor 5...)
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Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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... to write about 400 words about A round of Planetarion involving a bit of a description of the rules and the alliances that were formed for the new (and actually with content this time) portal history section.

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Nothing except your name credited on the place the text is - sorry :/

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been here since rnd 1

one question we get paied ?
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Anybody remember FoIP?
wasn't there a big foip dude in cluster42 early round2?
weren't you in some alliance called like -42- or something?
whatever..

anyway i guess the only way to write this is just to name facts, and no "whys" at all..
you can write "fury and wolfpack fought against legion end of r3"
if you try to explain why that happened, which would be the interesting part anyway, you'd just get a pile of wank answers from more or less clueful people, as there is no objective view anyway.. you can maybe say "because the people involved decided to do so", which is a very sensible explanation of course..
just like you can never say who won a round, or which was the best galaxy, or planet, player, everything.. without being subjective.. even if you say "fury wolfpack and legion won the round", there will be people who count the galaxies and planets in the top100 and tell you you're wrong, others will say wolfpack only reached what they did with being legion before etc.etc..

if you achieve to produce an objective history of any round that is still interesting to read in any way, i'll be surprised..

ah well it will be something to read and laugh about in the end i guess, so let's see it..
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weren't you in some alliance called like -42- or something?
whatever..
It was -=42=-. Themselves and B8S formed a major part of ICD.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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If the author of an article on Round 7 is Titans, Fury will be described as being backstabbing bastards, if the author is Fury, Titans will be described as fking up the alliance with the Valy incident.

If the author on R3 is Legion, they'll describe Wolfpack as a group of traitors who left them, if the author is Wolfpack, the article will say that Wolfpack was the original Legion, without all the dead weight.

If only one description of each round is chosen - it has to be unbiased or at least mention both points of view. If several articles are chosen per round, then it doesn't matter, as long as there is a good spread between articles.
And in case 2, how would you then explain that they came crawling back in r5?

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I was in -=42=- - that's how i came to be (briefly) in ICD
Then you'd remember WillowWebb and DrEggs? Splendid people.
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Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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one question we get paied ?
You must be joking - PA is voluntary sector - sorry

Seems like there's a fair amount of interest in summing up Planetarion over the last couple of years. Whilst making an effort to avoid bias, it would be good to have a couple of submissions for each roud, and so far I can only really see people volunteering for Round 1.

The background to the history section is to provide:
a) a brief description or two of each round (aka. the stuff I'm asking for submissions for)
b) a place where people can look up the old stats and the results for previous rounds
c) a place where people can download the results for previous rounds.
(please be aware - results pre-R7 are limited to whatever can be found - full DB dumps are available for R7 and R8)

In other words... the history section will become a resource to be built upon for many rounds to come but it can only be made as good as it should be with your help.
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both lenin and zhilly said it best heh.

Theirs enough history from us Vets to make many many films and books. Esp from rounds 1-3
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Re: Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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perhaps it would be better getting all the r1 vets you can into a channel called #round1 or something
then let us all talk and between the lot of us share our views and memories from different sides ofthe game.

then you can log it and work our a complete overview history from that.

it works alot better than us each writing our own essay etc

there may be some things we forget which another doesnt they remind us suddenly we can remember the other side of a battle or something
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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perhaps it would be better getting all the r1 vets you can into a channel called #round1 or something
then let us all talk and between the lot of us share our views and memories from different sides ofthe game.
God help the person who had to take notes and finally write a piece on it.
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/me gets the feeling this may save the forum ppl sum time?! Lazy! lol
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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perhaps it would be better getting all the r1 vets you can into a channel called #round1 or something
then let us all talk and between the lot of us share our views and memories from different sides ofthe game.

then you can log it and work our a complete overview history from that.

it works alot better than us each writing our own essay etc

there may be some things we forget which another doesnt they remind us suddenly we can remember the other side of a battle or something
that would be fun =
i'm all up for the talking and discussing, but i think you wont find a volunteer, to write notes about it
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Then you'd remember WillowWebb and DrEggs? Splendid people.
i do i got to know willow quite well at one point!

and as for the channel thing i'm up for that!
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Round 5 ('tis a bit over 500, but then I'm not really submitting this, am I?)

The first round of pay to play, reduced from over one hundred thousand players to a mere handful of 15-20k (numbers from that period are sketchy at best). It was the last round with ‘classic’ ships. That is, shared ships for all technology paths. No races, just War and Science. Choices weren’t made until frigate class technology, so even as the first fleets were launched the expert tacticians mulled over which choice was best. At first all agreed that War had been handed the short end of the stick, then a last minute revelation (something utterly commonplace in Planetarion) revealed the War corvette class to have a higher EMP resistance per cost than what could be achieved by the Science favorite; the Black Widow. This clinched the decision for me, though the choice would haunt me on occasion. Those of us who chose war forgot to factor in what was one of the oldest and newest adages of Planetarion warfare: Minimize your opponents targeting efficiency. The new rules that ships would no longer target all remaining ships when out of primary and secondary targeting put even more weight on the old ways of roidwhoring.

The political scene was laden with doom on my side of the fence. On the one hand the shattered and divided forces of nos, the proud forces of Xanadu, crippled by credit card issues, and the failing empire of Cell were all that stood against the combined forces of Legion with its spearhead galaxy formation known as Gods, the alliance of the man known by few personally, but by all as the mastermind of warfare, The Fury and the defensive bastion of BlueTuba. A few ragtag alliances stood by our side, hoping to perhaps gain a moment in the light before our forces were laid shattered to all corners of the universe. Perhaps daring politicians had convinced them of minor chances of victory, but as often is in this game the future was all but written in stone.

My own galaxy was collection of firecrackers never meant to be put in the same box. Whenever something went wrong one would go off, naturally igniting the rest. But we persevered. Steered by greed I took little part in the grand war, my own alliance, a flash in the pan of history, was not stood alongside anyone, and I harbored idealistic hopes that this would keep my fat collection of rocks clear of the enemy. And my GC’s maneuvering helped us all avoid the crushing blow of opposing forces. My collection was among the richest in the Universe at the time, merely a month into the game this spoke only of a potential victory, no more, but without realistic support I had nothing to live on but the high of now. So onward I collected, until thieves and pirates came to seize their load. Then visited by the forces of purest evil, Yeh of Arcanum. It stains the purity of the high to know it was taken away by such a foul beast. My way was perhaps not honorable in that I did not stand in the front line. But victory in Planetarion is most often not about standing in the front line, but about being an opportunist. To know that the pencil pushing bastard who had lured his way into the galactic protection of Synthetic_Sid himself ran away with my precious collection. It will forever darken the round more than living 2 months under the yoke of boredom following our loss.

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Re: Round 5 ('tis a bit over 500, but then I'm not really submitting this, am I?)

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I think you've got the idea
Unless you've got any objections this is the sort of thing that I'd like to use for Round5
(please can you tell me what alliance you were though)

Also someone from the side that wasn't "laden with doom" reporting on Round 5 would be good
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Re: Re: Round 5 ('tis a bit over 500, but then I'm not really submitting this, am I?)

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I think you've got the idea
Unless you've got any objections this is the sort of thing that I'd like to use for Round5
(please can you tell me what alliance you were though)

Also someone from the side that wasn't "laden with doom" reporting on Round 5 would be good
I was in an alliance called Discordium, my galaxy was originally a heavy nos gal, but had 4-5 people leave during the lux break.

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To be honest i dont know how anyone can sit there and write that much about a PA round, ive bin here since r2 and i dont even think i could write that much
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To be honest i dont know how anyone can sit there and write that much about a PA round, ive bin here since r2 and i dont even think i could write that much
You are a man of little words Drk, I could not fit in a single round in 400 words.

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Re: Re: Wanted: Old Planetarion Players...

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Word of warning: Be extremely careful in how you employ this. Every alliance has its own history, especially in regard to its impact within the round. The entire "who backstabbed who" issue really should be left out of it and imo you are going to need to edit what people say if you employ this as some sort of history thing.
Much much better than editing would be to simply post several opposing histories per round. Just like present and future are influenced by your perspective, history is too. So what better way is there to give a picture of the history than allowing controversial viewpoints next to each other (as long as they are not porpaganda BS at least but serious attempts)
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