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29 Jan 2003, 15:23
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Heh, Leeds !
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Big huge servers vs itty bitty likkle servers
I am replacing one of the old servers here, a PIII 600 in a huge case that hides under my desk and takes up lots of room that could be filled with old copies of Computer Weekly, with a smaller desktop sized unit.
The server currently holds all the general office/shop information which is backed up daily to a tape streamer fitted in another computer and also to 2 other servers so not having room to fit a backup device isnt a problem. So what are the flaws to my deceptively simple plan ?
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29 Jan 2003, 16:39
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Bitch
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Re: Big huge servers vs itty bitty likkle servers
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Originally posted by Vaio
So what are the flaws to my deceptively simple plan ?
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You have to ask yourself, which looks more impressive? A tiny little cube that does the job and is hidden away or a massive HP-UX job that not only does the job but looks like it belongs on the bridge of a spaceship?
Obviously cost is not a factor in this comparism
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29 Jan 2003, 17:39
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Heh, Leeds !
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Re: Re: Big huge servers vs itty bitty likkle servers
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Originally posted by Gayle28uk
You have to ask yourself, which looks more impressive? A tiny little cube that does the job and is hidden away or a massive HP-UX job that not only does the job but looks like it belongs on the bridge of a spaceship?
Obviously cost is not a factor in this comparism
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Also there is the matter of heat generated
A room full of huge servers chugging away is fine during winter but in summer my little office turns into a sauna because air conditioning 'isnt a priority'.......
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30 Jan 2003, 18:35
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Throwing Shapes
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Re: Re: Big huge servers vs itty bitty likkle servers
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Originally posted by Gayle28uk
You have to ask yourself, which looks more impressive?
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Smaller, because the machine doesnt look like you have shovel coal on it to get it going
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31 Jan 2003, 00:03
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Born Sinful
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Are you likely to want to expand it?
Unless you plan to house 6 harddrives, 3 zip drives, a few LS120's, a couple of CD burners and maybe a DVD burner in it for good measure, is there any reason to have a monster tower?
Get it as small as you can while still leaving room for any expansion you might want to do.
Surely a midi-atx case is fine? Maybe even a mini-atx?
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31 Jan 2003, 13:31
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Darling
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Please note: on very small cases the PSU positioning will block big CPU coolers. Be careful
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31 Jan 2003, 16:36
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Ensign
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1 Feb 2003, 14:19
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Registered User
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/me strokes his full tower
It just looks the part :/
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2 Feb 2003, 01:06
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Heh, Leeds !
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Quote:
Originally posted by meglamaniac
Are you likely to want to expand it?
Unless you plan to house 6 harddrives, 3 zip drives, a few LS120's, a couple of CD burners and maybe a DVD burner in it for good measure, is there any reason to have a monster tower?
Get it as small as you can while still leaving room for any expansion you might want to do.
Surely a midi-atx case is fine? Maybe even a mini-atx?
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These boxes will be servers and wont need anything other than a dvd drive and hard drive and I get these things at a very very good price. With more memory thrown in them and a 120gb drive they are perfect. The only thing that does suck is the brand
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2 Feb 2003, 04:27
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/dev/zero Retired Mod
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the latest XPC from shuttle is quite funky, fairly powerfull too, with nforce2.
This months PC Pro iirc.
Page 118.
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2 Feb 2003, 04:40
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Bitch
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Quote:
Originally posted by MT
the latest XPC from shuttle is quite funky, fairly powerfull too, with nforce2.
This months PC Pro iirc.
Page 118.
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Netbox Cubit, page 26, January linux format. www.netbox.co.uk. Funkiness abounds \o/
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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3 Feb 2003, 15:19
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/dev/zero Retired Mod
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gayle28uk
Netbox Cubit, page 26, January linux format. www.netbox.co.uk. Funkiness abounds \o/
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Netbox cubit, page 116 pc pro. Shit spec abounds.
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3 Feb 2003, 16:59
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Darling
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Quote:
Originally posted by MT
the latest XPC from shuttle is quite funky, fairly powerfull too, with nforce2.
This months PC Pro iirc.
Page 118.
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Correct. Shuttle SN41G2 = teh rock
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3 Feb 2003, 17:58
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Henry Kelly
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That'd do me nicely for i15, shame its £250 like, though this seems to be similar (without GF4 onboard and nF2 mobo) and is priced more respectably at about £200 from overclockers.co.uk.
Given both can be expanded with an AGP card is it worth saving £50 for the cheaper one performance wise? Or are there any other very petit cases barebones or not for around the same price (£150-200) that don't include the word 'Epia'?
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3 Feb 2003, 18:10
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Darling
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3 Feb 2003, 18:12
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Henry Kelly
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Touché. Any alternatives then? I feel like doing the whole 'shopping around' thing.
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3 Feb 2003, 18:34
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Darling
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I'm gonna leave you hanging as I dont actually know of any others. You could get one of those mini-atx motherboards and make your own case?
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3 Feb 2003, 21:49
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Henry Kelly
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Quote:
Originally posted by BesigedB
I'm gonna leave you hanging as I dont actually know of any others. You could get one of those mini-atx motherboards and make your own case?
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Epia is baaad, mkay. Not only for the whole 'Hello, pay £100 for me' thing but also the heinously crappy CPU =/
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6 Feb 2003, 16:31
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Henry Kelly
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Well, I just blew £350 on a Shuttle SN41G2 barebones and a WD 80gig Special Edition hdd with the 8meg cache 'madness', which should in theory arrive tomorrow.
Expect some kind of update like.
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14 Feb 2003, 17:16
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15 Feb 2003, 12:09
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Bitch
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On the subject of huge big servers, HP are supposed to be upgrading one of our HP-UX servers (7 foot cabinet type server, bigjobs \o/) today but rang yesterday to change a few things. The engineer doing the upgrade was only passed the job yesterday and he nearly crapped himself when he saw it! HE wants to do it in three stages over three weeks with an external consultant on site (as well as himself) in case things go pear shaped. Apparently this is what's best described as the Upgrade From Hell! According to him we have a fair chance of not having a working modem or usable filesystem afterwards so his arse is kinda hyperventilating
Big servers not always good, however many flashing lights they have
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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15 Feb 2003, 20:05
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Darling
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Quote:
Originally posted by pablissimo
Well, I just blew £350 on a Shuttle SN41G2 barebones and a WD 80gig Special Edition hdd with the 8meg cache 'madness', which should in theory arrive tomorrow.
Expect some kind of update like.
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17 Feb 2003, 14:42
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Heh, Leeds !
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gayle28uk
On the subject of huge big servers, HP are supposed to be upgrading one of our HP-UX servers (7 foot cabinet type server, bigjobs \o/) today but rang yesterday to change a few things. The engineer doing the upgrade was only passed the job yesterday and he nearly crapped himself when he saw it! HE wants to do it in three stages over three weeks with an external consultant on site (as well as himself) in case things go pear shaped. Apparently this is what's best described as the Upgrade From Hell! According to him we have a fair chance of not having a working modem or usable filesystem afterwards so his arse is kinda hyperventilating
Big servers not always good, however many flashing lights they have
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Its always best when this sort of thing is handled by other people
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17 Feb 2003, 14:50
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Bitch
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vaio
Its always best when this sort of thing is handled by other people
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What worries me is that the supplier (HP) thinks the same!
Fortunately I'm a support person so it has nothing to do with me
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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20 Feb 2003, 00:10
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Henry Kelly
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Quote:
Originally posted by BesigedB
Goodie
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It arrived last week, using it now, my flatmate was so impressed he went and spent £650 building himself an all-new system using it \o/
I love this little silver piece of joy, surprisingly quiet until the main fan kicks in when it sounds 'somewhat louder' but that can be straightened out with a quieter fan, and getting the components in was remarkably easy.
Go get one, if only for the shiny blue power LED.
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20 Feb 2003, 00:40
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Darling
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Can we have pics of the INSIDE, OUTSIDE, your SETUP and a more comprehensive REVIEW that i can send to [h]ardocp?
Sounds cool
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20 Feb 2003, 00:44
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Henry Kelly
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It's so wee.
So very wee.
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