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Unread 11 Jan 2003, 07:30   #1
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GMT or CEST

I hope we are not gonna change the clock of this game? I understand that its now owned by a English company, but most players are European and from the US. And after some years useing CEST, now u want them to change?

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Unread 11 Jan 2003, 09:19   #2
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Where has it been announced that the Clock will change?
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CEST region is a bigger market than GMT so why change unless they expect to attract a lot more players from GMT region .
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would be easy if they just created an option in preferences where you can set your own timezone.
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Makes no sens to change the CEST tradition, its part of planetarion.
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Note that BST is used in GB, not GMT. They are only the same for 5 months of the year.
If it is BST or CET makes little difference if you live in either area.
For people from US or down under, GMT might be better - it is not afflicted by DST, and everyone know how many hours they are from GMT.
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heh, does it realy matter? its not like ure ships are gonna be faster on CEST that BST now is it? and its not as though u will have to stay up an extra hr or anything.. its only an arbitrary standard fs. and if it does matter that much, well, GMT is the centre for world time..
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GMT all the way, but i really couldn't give a donkeys bollocks how PA shows the time tbh.
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Everyone needs a universal PA time. Setting own time is a terrible idea and would result is so many incorrect launch times.

I wouldn't care if it were in CEST, GMT or dog years. As long as everyone can see the same thing then there won't be a problem.
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Changing game time from CEST to GMT would have NO use at all.
It will only force the WHOLE Planetarion community to change their "pa-clocks".. or whatever it's kinda for no use anyways..
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Re: GMT or CEST

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I hope we are not gonna change the clock of this game? I understand that its now owned by a English company, but most players are European and from the US. And after some years useing CEST, now u want them to change?

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thats just not correct...
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thats just not correct...
well it was correct, acording to the planetarion admins who collected the data.
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Ditch 'time' completely and just have a tick counter.
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Anyways if most players is from the UK I think it'll be best to use the time zone which already is! Changes often aint positive
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Ditch 'time' completely and just have a tick counter.
Then how'd you plan things, like "every night at 10gmt" , it'll be useless unless you're all leet at maths.
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I doubt there will be a change from CEST, after all the game used to be hosted in the UK by Barrysworld yet CEST was still used. The only change to the time I personally see is in r10 when I think they will probally do what Coffee has said and move over to PT time as the sole timing method
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Then how'd you plan things, like "every night at 10gmt" , it'll be useless unless you're all leet at maths.
Its no differnt from having it done by GMT or CEST for most people. After all a large number of the players using whatever timezone you use has to work out what the time is in their local time and all moving to PT would do is make things easier.

For example if it was tick 115 and you said all meet here to launch at PT 123 we all know that we have to meet in 8 hours time. When its done on normal time we instead have to convert a meeting time of something like 10CEST into local time which can be alot harder which is shown every round when people turn up an hour late for attacks due to messing the conversion up. (It also happens a fair bit in PAteam meetings where people get the timezones mixed up and are then late. )

Going to a single none timezone specific timing system that doesnt require you to know the time difference of a country to work meeting time ect out would be much better
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For example if it was tick 115 and you said all meet here to launch at PT 123 we all know that we have to meet in 8 hours time. When its done on normal time we instead have to convert a meeting time of something like 10CEST into local time which can be alot harder which is shown every round when people turn up an hour late for attacks due to messing the conversion up.
once a standard is set, cest/gmt/whatever.. everyone knows the conversion they have to make to work out what time that corresponds to where they are. u only have to work it out once ever and ure sorted. with PT's u are constantly gonna be counting on ure fingers. not to mention the fact that ppl who like to launch just before the tick will be guessin on what time it is..
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well it was correct, acording to the planetarion admins who collected the data.
There are more ppl in the GMT zone than the CEST zone?
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It also happens a fair bit in PAteam meetings where people get the timezones mixed up and are then late.
I've always wondered about the criteria to be in PAteam.
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There are more ppl in the GMT zone than the CEST zone?
lol...yes? CEST is almost the whole Europe...GMT is the left part of europe...
I think Im right...
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and america is bigger than all of europe, maybe we should convert to an american timezone? does it matter whats bigger? i think the data compiled probably points to where most users are from, not that that makes the blind bit of difference. pick a timezone and stick to it.
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Then how'd you plan things, like "every night at 10gmt" , it'll be useless unless you're all leet at maths.
I'd assume like betas/speed games with launch times given as a tick rather than as a time.

To be honest what time zone the game is played in makes very little difference to me although I'd like to stick to CEST just out of tradition. I'm under the impression the largest group of players comes from the UK ?
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No, what he said was that there are (were) more UK players than any other group, and therefore more using GMT than CEST.
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GMT all the way, but i really couldn't give a donkeys bollocks how PA shows the time tbh.
Me either. Its not hard working time thats +1 hour.
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and america is bigger than all of europe
that doesn't really matter.... cos i THINK that there are more ppl in europe not sure though.... so flame at will
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once a standard is set, cest/gmt/whatever.. everyone knows the conversion they have to make to work out what time that corresponds to where they are. u only have to work it out once ever and ure sorted. with PT's u are constantly gonna be counting on ure fingers. not to mention the fact that ppl who like to launch just before the tick will be guessin on what time it is..
launch at 10:00 cest. Problems arise with people ****ing it up - they always do (ask any alliance person*). Also if it also ticks on 10:00 cest then a large percentage will be on the wrong tick sending.

* Perhaps keeping cest is a better idea - it makes it harder** to organise co-ordinated attacks

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launch at 10:00 cest. Problems arise with people ****ing it up - they always do (ask any alliance person*). Also if it also ticks on 10:00 cest then a large percentage will be on the wrong tick sending.

* Perhaps keeping cest is a better idea - it makes it harder** to organise co-ordinated attacks

** read harder as skillful.
except, say for example, i am GMT and pa time is CEST. i know my time is 1 hr behind. so if for example my alliance says nightly attacks are to occur at say 2 and 3 am cest, i know to turn up at 1 or 2 am local time.

now, tell me how on a system purely timed in PT's how we can have a nightly schedule? i mean.. great, tonights attack is at say PT 237, and 238.. so tomorrows will be at.. uhm.. lets see.. uh.. nfi. fs. say my alliance forum tells me tomorrows attack will be at PT262, i then have to sit and work out what time it is now, what tick it is now, take that away from the PT of the launch and then add that number to the time now.. cmon, which is more difficult? the fk is wrong with just having a clock? just stick to a clock. once u know u are 1 hr behind the pa clock, or 6 hrs behind the pa clock or 10 hrs behind the pa clock, how difficult is it to subtract 1 hr/6hrs/10hrs from any given time? not immensly. u get used to it. anyone who finds that difficult should maybe go back to junior school.
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I personally would liek to see it as GMT for a number of simple reasons:

1) GMT is the universal standard time, its what militaries use among other things.
2) It does not have daylight saving time unlike CET
3) Its no more diffcult to use CEST than GMT, easier in fact some may say.
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2) It does not have daylight saving time unlike CET
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except, say for example, i am GMT and pa time is CEST. i know my time is 1 hr behind. so if for example my alliance says nightly attacks are to occur at say 2 and 3 am cest, i know to turn up at 1 or 2 am local time.

now, tell me how on a system purely timed in PT's how we can have a nightly schedule? i mean.. great, tonights attack is at say PT 237, and 238.. so tomorrows will be at.. uhm.. lets see.. uh.. nfi. fs. say my alliance forum tells me tomorrows attack will be at PT262, i then have to sit and work out what time it is now, what tick it is now, take that away from the PT of the launch and then add that number to the time now.. cmon, which is more difficult? the fk is wrong with just having a clock? just stick to a clock. once u know u are 1 hr behind the pa clock, or 6 hrs behind the pa clock or 10 hrs behind the pa clock, how difficult is it to subtract 1 hr/6hrs/10hrs from any given time? not immensly. u get used to it. anyone who finds that difficult should maybe go back to junior school.
Problem is your looking at it from a British viewpoint. Yes subtracting 1 isnt too hard (although people still get it wrong) but in more remote timezones it is different. What makes it even worse is alot of people and alliances will also work in GMT(BST) due to most of them being from the UK which causes added confusion.

The only real problem with PT is daylight savings time which is going to cause some problems when it comes to calculating attacks but this is the same if you use True GMT which doesnt have DST
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that doesn't really matter.... cos i THINK that there are more ppl in europe not sure though.... so flame at will
Roughly 250mil in US and roughly 600mil in europe I think.
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Roughly 250mil in US and roughly 600mil in europe I think.
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The only real problem with PT is daylight savings time which is going to cause some problems when it comes to calculating attacks but this is the same if you use True GMT which doesnt have DST
Actually using GMT (UT) would be best to avoid problems near the dates when DST is taken into/out of use.

People know when/if the DST happens in their country, so its easy to adapt to the time assuming PA-clock never uses DST.

If GMT/BST is used instead it's annoying if your country has DST also, but it's starting and ending times arent the same as BST. (theres at least a dozen different definitions for DST start/end dates worldwide)
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Re: GMT or CEST

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I hope we are not gonna change the clock of this game? I understand that its now owned by a English company, but most players are European and from the US. And after some years useing CEST, now u want them to change?

Shame on you!
Actually most people from this game are from England, closely followed by probably Holland and Norway. USA doesn't even come into the picture on the top 5 represented countries of PA (probably), pull your head out the sand.

Edit: Having a tick counter with countdown to next tick will probably be too much load on the server, because as we know everyone doesn't tick the exact same second.
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Its no differnt from having it done by GMT or CEST for most people. After all a large number of the players using whatever timezone you use has to work out what the time is in their local time and all moving to PT would do is make things easier.

For example if it was tick 115 and you said all meet here to launch at PT 123 we all know that we have to meet in 8 hours time. When its done on normal time we instead have to convert a meeting time of something like 10CEST into local time which can be alot harder which is shown every round when people turn up an hour late for attacks due to messing the conversion up. (It also happens a fair bit in PAteam meetings where people get the timezones mixed up and are then late. )

Going to a single none timezone specific timing system that doesnt require you to know the time difference of a country to work meeting time ect out would be much better
I can see no reason to not have both - the more options available the better for the players - but then we are always screwed anyway ;-)
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