what's up with ToT?

[Morca]

just curious: whats up with you guys? your roid count is pretty much stagnant compared to other alliances since Marduk quit playing. has it something to do with it?
i dont hope another great alliance jumps off the train.

[I am Idler]

I guess they are simply not talented enough

[Morca]

i wish i could delete posts in my thread

[I am Idler]

but you cant

[xtothez]

Heartless is killing them all single-handedly.

ego++

[dabult]

They attacked me






Was funny to cov-op his ships an hour before he had launched and then cover it though

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Morca

just curious: whats up with you guys? your roid count is pretty much stagnant compared to other alliances since Marduk quit playing. has it something to do with it?
i dont hope another great alliance jumps off the train.

Heard they had inactive dc/bc's.
To bad... hope they pull through, they are on the right side after all =)

[mens]

they sit on fences

[NIN]

u still alive Morca.weee

Inactive Dc/Bcs plus a few planets closed..

[Morca]

Originally Posted by NIN

u still alive Morca.weee

Inactive Dc/Bcs plus a few planets closed..

heya NiN!!!!!
some never die you know...

well.. ToT obviously had a pretty good start. although they are on the dark side (with naughty Storebo) i hope they prove us wrong. would miss 'em. :/

[Lupin]

probably they are 'tot'

hahah lolz lolz

[Psi_K]

Originally Posted by xtothez

Heartless is killing them all single-handedly.

ego++

HAhahaHAH
and my gal ... wait ... no the ely's are doing fine
ego++;

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Morca

heya NiN!!!!!
some never die you know...

well.. ToT obviously had a pretty good start. although they are on the dark side (with naughty Storebo) i hope they prove us wrong. would miss 'em. :/

The dark side is stronger. The empire brings peace to the galaxy, rebellion is evil!
I sense the anger in you. Give in to it and join us.
Like good old times =)

[ParraCida]

Originally Posted by mens

they sit on fences

Hell I'd sit on a big ass fence too if I had to choose between ely/eclipse and fang/dragons.

[Xandria]

hrm actually read AD for once and see my old gal m8s spamming it up lo guys

[Morca]

storebo ->
xandria ->

lo guys

this thread ->

[Sonnenbomber]

ToT is not dead, ToT doesnt disband.
fact is, we had a really good start and were rank1 ally till tick 700.
after rollback the activity of a lot member became worser and worser.
I think the rollback was not the reason but the motive to quit for some ppl.
altogether over 50% of our memberbase we had at roundstart are annoyed of R10 and so they quitted or arent really activ. and in my eyes its absolutly bullshit that a lot members gave up cause the left active could need their help too, but on the other side I also understand them. R10 isnt very interesting from gameplay, scan system, combat system and some other features suckx.
anyway we will play till end of the round and end anywhere between rank5 and rank7.
that is ofc not reaching our goals, but in the current situation, all other prognoses would be unrealistic. After R10 we will see what's planned for R11 and then we decid if we stay a PA ally or move into another game.

Regards
[ToT]Sonnenbomber

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Morca

storebo ->
xandria ->

lo guys

this thread ->

Soon I'll start takeing this personal.. A bald devil? Give me some hair ffs!

[Jackal2112]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Heard they had inactive dc/bc's.
To bad... hope they pull through, they are on the right side after all =)

are you sure you know what the right side really is??

'we won, they lost more than we did....'

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Jackal2112

are you sure you know what the right side really is??

Dragons are dangerous creatures. Their FAnG's are nasty and evil. Thank god for Elysium where we can seek shelter from thoose evil creatures.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Dragons are dangerous creatures. Their FAnG's are nasty and evil. Thank god for Elysium where we can seek shelter from thoose evil creatures.

sadly the "eclipse" causes your shelter to never see the sun and live in eternal darkness

rgds Kj

[dabult]

lol good one Kj

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

sadly the "eclipse" causes your shelter to never see the sun and live in eternal darkness

rgds Kj

no no... we got nuculear power plants... we'll be fine. The Eclipse stops the dragons from takeing to the air since they can't see that well in darkness. It clouds their Vision.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Storebo

no no... we got nuculear power plants... we'll be fine. The Eclipse stops the dragons from takeing to the air since they can't see that well in darkness. It clouds their Vision.

That's because you got a "Virus" that's coulding their minds

rgds Kj

[dabult]

What good does a powerplant do, when you're tot ? :\

[AzureWrath]

hehe, keep going Kj and Storebo, i was enjoying that

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by dabult

What good does a powerplant do, when you're tot ? :\

Don't u know the myth? Elysium is where great warriors go when their ToT.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

That's because you got a "Virus" that's coulding their minds

rgds Kj

It's a mouth and claws decease.. it affects the Dragons FAnG's. Either find the cure or kill the whole lifestock, must not let it spread. It could affect a pack of wolves nearby.

[G.K Zhukov]

Kjeldoran 2 - 0 Storebo

[ParraCida]

I sense prelude to anal sex here.
Zhuk, they're both still losers though.
Why don't you move to the RP board instead you geeks.
This is like a bitchfight of wit.

This ofcourse, are but a few of the initial reactions I had to this thread.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by ParraCida

I sense prelude to anal sex here.
Zhuk, they're both still losers though.
Why don't you move to the RP board instead you geeks.
This is like a bitchfight of wit.

This ofcourse, are but a few of the initial reactions I had to this thread.

Just because your a tired old prick with no sense of humor, doesn't stop rest of us to do some friendly wordfighting. A nice break from the "ddosing that and hacking that, spying that, fakeing logs that, trojaning that and blocking this accusations.

So why don't u keep your nose out of theese threads that u dislike so much. I assure u ,your input isn't valuable.

[Sonnenbomber]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

That's because you got a "Virus" that's coulding their minds

rgds Kj

lol - Kj you are always very funny
whats the prob with recruiting some ViruS ppl after ViruS disbanded??
arent you doing the same by recruiting the left Sera guys which Dragons didnt want to let join to compensate the defected (and quitted) DDK guys?
Kj, when do you ever stop flaming other people/allys for things, you also are doing?
you blame us for blocking? FAnG also didnt went solo.
you blame us for cheating? a row of FAnG members were closed this round, too
anyway I think we all lost a bit the real issue of this thread, also when I dont want to coment it more than I already did, plz comeback to the real theme of this thread.
perhaps you want to post your opinion why moral went down in ToT also on ADs?

I guess, you dont want this.
so plz try to be a bit more serious or I really have to open the "FAnG comedians" thread.
I planned to wait till end of the round, but we can also start it earlier if you want to have something to flame.
I hope I didnt betray you again with this post. ^_^

[ParraCida]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Just because your a tired old prick with no sense of humor, doesn't stop rest of us to do some friendly wordfighting. A nice break from the "ddosing that and hacking that, spying that, fakeing logs that, trojaning that and blocking this accusations.

So why don't u keep your nose out of theese threads that u dislike so much. I assure u ,your input isn't valuable.

My word, all the big kids leave and the fat kid with the big mouth immediatly gets a tude and tries to take over the playground.

But you know what, I forgive you, it was my fault anyway.

Carry on with the friendly wordfighting.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by ParraCida

My word, all the big kids leave and the fat kid with the big mouth immediatly gets a tude and tries to take over the playground.

But you know what, I forgive you, it was my fault anyway.

Carry on with the friendly wordfighting.

Thanxz... knew u would understand..

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Sonnenbomber

lol - Kj you are always very funny
whats the prob with recruiting some ViruS ppl after ViruS disbanded??
arent you doing the same by recruiting the left Sera guys which Dragons didnt want to let join to compensate the defected (and quitted) DDK guys?
Kj, when do you ever stop flaming other people/allys for things, you also are doing?
you blame us for blocking? FAnG also didnt went solo.
you blame us for cheating? a row of FAnG members were closed this round, too
anyway I think we all lost a bit the real issue of this thread, also when I dont want to coment it more than I already did, plz comeback to the real theme of this thread.
perhaps you want to post your opinion why moral went down in ToT also on ADs?

I guess, you dont want this.
so plz try to be a bit more serious or I really have to open the "FAnG comedians" thread.
I planned to wait till end of the round, but we can also start it earlier if you want to have something to flame.
I hope I didnt betray you again with this post. ^_^

who's the liar here. First of all, no, we did not recruit seraphim members. I know this because well ... I run fang ...
No I did not accuse tot for cheating, I don't think I EVER did in my entire PA carrier.

Sonnen, you must remember, that you were the FIRST HC this round that started these kinda threads to make fun of other alliances. Yes, you and only you did it. Think about that. Now you're complaining cause pple are wondering why the hell tot is doin such a piss poor job?
Yet again, it's just easier to follow the horde, isn't it sonnen, and accuse Kj for it

And with made up lies even, now go re-read what I wrote and then plz don't turn red of the shame after you realize this post is utter bullshit and nothing more then Sonnen's LIE.

rgds Kj

ohh and, the "virus" thingy was just some amusing wordfight with storebo, nothing more nothing less. Yet you succeeded in feeling offended because of it ... nice goin ...

Ever considered why half tot suddenly quit playing? Or are you gonna blame this on someone else (me) aswell, along with everything else you **** up?

[Sonnenbomber]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

who's the liar here. First of all, no, we did not recruit seraphim members. I know this because well ... I run fang ...
No I did not accuse tot for cheating, I don't think I EVER did in my entire PA carrier.

Sonnen, you must remember, that you were the FIRST HC this round that started these kinda threads to make fun of other alliances. Yes, you and only you did it. Think about that. Now you're complaining cause pple are wondering why the hell tot is doin such a piss poor job?
Yet again, it's just easier to follow the horde, isn't it sonnen, and accuse Kj for it

And with made up lies even, now go re-read what I wrote and then plz don't turn red of the shame after you realize this post is utter bullshit and nothing more then Sonnen's LIE.

rgds Kj

ohh and, the "virus" thingy was just some amusing wordfight with storebo, nothing more nothing less. Yet you succeeded in feeling offended because of it ... nice goin ...

Ever considered why half tot suddenly quit playing? Or are you gonna blame this on someone else (me) aswell, along with everything else you **** up?

first, I didnt call you a liar (at least I cant find it in my post).
second, the other thread was a meant as small comedy, but no matter.
third, LEFF blamed us for cheating and more than once. you are only more presente on ADs. :P
and why ToT isnt in topranks anymore, I already explained, obviously you can write, so I guess you can read too.
last thing, Seraphim is completly disbanded ingame now, wont be a prob to newsscan the former Sera members and look to where their eta7 defence goes to, 2/3 goes for sure to Dragons/FAnG. :P
or how comes that you didnt loose any roids in ally ranking after a whole BG left FAnG?
I dont have a prob with that, just wonder why you "attacked" eclipse for recruiting some ViruS people. no matter.

Bomber out

PS: if you start to call me sonnen again, you are Kjel from now again

[LEFF|pm]

I already had a little chat with XtotheZ yesterday who was very angry about me accusing him of using illegal methods to get hold of informations, and you will get the same answer.

If you dont like being blamed for cheating, then simply dont cheat anymore. Every succesful contractor knows the law of cause and effect. In case you got a problem, its a waste of time and money to just combat the negative repercussions.
You have to extirpate the law, the reason for all the troubles.

Basically you have to think very pragmatically and balance the benefits. Of course defence is easier when a Battle Commander can send 20 fleets onhis own. But is it worth the risk of getting closed and losing the alliance`s reputation?

I know that some FAnG Battlegroups did that during former rounds and they had to deal with the consequences. All in all it was never worth it, and since I did not act with reasonable care I wont deny being complicit to their failures. But over the rounds we attached more and more importance to fairplay. We saw games dying because of egocentrical behavior and unlike other clans we learned our lesson.

Dont you think its a dearly purchased victory if you have to ruin the game to win it?

Regarding the seraphim issue: As far as I am informed, we did not recruit only one single player from seraphim. In no way there was a mass recruitment as you describe it. I know a fair amount went to Jurgen, but not to us.

We are still alive and got more top 10 players at the moment then eet combined ....without approving members hacking servers, giving out account details, blocking before round 10 actually started or upgrading random planets to roid them...

The fact, that these methods are used against us, is just another reason for me to be proud

[Scorpio]

Leff, could you stop pretending you know all those fancy big words? It's making me dizzy

[Sonnenbomber]

bahh, why the hell started I to replying here?
ok my last post then in this thread.
LEFF, I know our relation isnt the best anymore, but ToT has NO spy in FAnG and HAS NOT dosed your server. the infos I told you here, I got by talking other people and that are no FAnG members for sure.
and how should we get infos by illegal methods? would be nice if you could tell me a bit more detailed anytime. and regarding to your server, we even dont have the techies who would be able to kill your server. I dont know who did it and I also dont care.
I never denied that we ve surely cheaters in ToT, each ally has. the main difference between ToT and most other allys is, they try to get a good image by propagandising to deny all kinds of cheating. Maybe FAnG is the first ally which really tries to multihunt in their own area, but what I heard about some FAnG members( dont know if this informations I got are true...), its hard to believe for me. And also if I hadnt heard this rumours, I just cant imagine.
you want to make me believe that you would report your own topplanets if you notice they share accs or have a scanplanet? lol
/me accepts your try to convince us...
Last thing, ToT never claimed to go solo in any round (except R9.5). ofc powerblocks are also one of the reasons why we got in nearly every round periods of stagnation. But if you dont join the blocking game, you have no chance to win any round. till yet we had NO round without powerblocks. and if you are regulary on the looser side or deny the powerblock game, members loose fun and quit. Im ally HC, I have to take first for my ally.
and it is creators job to get it balanced. A lot of ally HCs tried also give suggestions to PA creators(me included), because no ally HC is interested in winning one round by ruining the whole game.
Ok, you will tell me at this point why we did WEET/NaR R9 then? pretty simple: WebAngel pissed off a lot allys in politics period of R9. Nearly all allys out of VVOMM wanted to see WA block dead.
no excuses. no mercy.
last point. you claim that you wanted to go solo from beginning of this round. very interesting...
why offered you an ally to Eclipse and ToT then before R10 started?
I think it isnt necessary that I ve to post logs from Kj and me here.
If you deny this fact, I will do (and break my promise that it would be my last post in this thread).
nice propaganda LEFF, but keep the facts correct then...

Bomber out (finally)

[Mitre]

Originally Posted by Sonnenbomber

ToT never claimed to go solo in any round (except R9.5).

Then it was really nice of Eclipse to put all ToT coords in thier arbiter as friendly in r 9.5

[Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Mitre

Then it was really nice of Eclipse to put all ToT coords in thier arbiter as friendly in r 9.5

Try telling that to Focht. I'd be dissapointed if he doesn't even try to deny it

[LEFF|pm]

Originally Posted by Sonnenbomber

bahh, why the hell started I to replying here?
ok my last post then in this thread.
LEFF, I know our relation isnt the best anymore, but ToT has NO spy in FAnG and HAS NOT dosed your server. the infos I told you here, I got by talking other people and that are no FAnG members for sure.
and how should we get infos by illegal methods? would be nice if you could tell me a bit more detailed anytime. and regarding to your server, we even dont have the techies who would be able to kill your server. I dont know who did it and I also dont care.
I never denied that we ve surely cheaters in ToT, each ally has. the main difference between ToT and most other allys is, they try to get a good image by propagandising to deny all kinds of cheating. Maybe FAnG is the first ally which really tries to multihunt in their own area, but what I heard about some FAnG members( dont know if this informations I got are true...), its hard to believe for me. And also if I hadnt heard this rumours, I just cant imagine.
you want to make me believe that you would report your own topplanets if you notice they share accs or have a scanplanet? lol
/me accepts your try to convince us...
Last thing, ToT never claimed to go solo in any round (except R9.5). ofc powerblocks are also one of the reasons why we got in nearly every round periods of stagnation. But if you dont join the blocking game, you have no chance to win any round. till yet we had NO round without powerblocks. and if you are regulary on the looser side or deny the powerblock game, members loose fun and quit. Im ally HC, I have to take first for my ally.
and it is creators job to get it balanced. A lot of ally HCs tried also give suggestions to PA creators(me included), because no ally HC is interested in winning one round by ruining the whole game.
Ok, you will tell me at this point why we did WEET/NaR R9 then? pretty simple: WebAngel pissed off a lot allys in politics period of R9. Nearly all allys out of VVOMM wanted to see WA block dead.
no excuses. no mercy.
last point. you claim that you wanted to go solo from beginning of this round. very interesting...
why offered you an ally to Eclipse and ToT then before R10 started?
I think it isnt necessary that I ve to post logs from Kj and me here.
If you deny this fact, I will do (and break my promise that it would be my last post in this thread).
nice propaganda LEFF, but keep the facts correct then...

Bomber out (finally)

Since I can really understand the frustration of arguing at boards like these I´ll keep my answer short. If I gave the impression, that ToT would use all of the described methods I apologize. I "just" blame you for account sharing.You offended against rules made by teh PA crew which is nothing compared to violating the provisions of national law by using a virus or stealing passwords to get access to someone`s email account or similar techniques...

We took care of our members from start of the round. If we got hold of someone sharing his passwords, he wasnt even granted the chance to become a top player. So it never was a big deal to kick cheaters...

I wont deny that we had a few talks about politics and alliances before round 10 started. We expected dragons and LDK to ally and becoming an almost unbeatable force. But situation changed, LDK disbanded and everyone claimed to play solo, so we did as well, without any ulterior motives....

[Guran]

Originally Posted by LEFF|pm

Since I can really understand the frustration of arguing at boards like these I´ll keep my answer short. If I gave the impression, that ToT would use all of the described methods I apologize. I "just" blame you for account sharing.You offended against rules made by teh PA crew which is nothing compared to violating the provisions of national law by using a virus or stealing passwords to get access to someone`s email account or similar techniques...
.

Be careful with what you say. I can understand that you accuse someone for account sharing but accusing a whole alliance is pretty serious. I reckon you can back up your accusation and have provided PA crew with the proof that will shut them down.

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Scorpio

Try telling that to Focht. I'd be dissapointed if he doesn't even try to deny it

Me too. I always enjoys his lauzy retoric
/me slaps Focht

[LEFF|pm]

Originally Posted by Guran

Be careful with what you say. I can understand that you accuse someone for account sharing but accusing a whole alliance is pretty serious. I reckon you can back up your accusation and have provided PA crew with the proof that will shut them down.

Yep we did and many of them indeed got closed. That is just one of the reasons why they are not growing in size anymore. But I dont see any need to pick out special members and go into details. Nether is this a topic suitable to get expatiated on public boards nor do I see any reasons to talk about it generally to anyone who isnt concerned directly.

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally Posted by LEFF|pm

Yep we did and many of them indeed got closed. That is just one of the reasons why they are not growing in size anymore. But I dont see any need to pick out special members and go into details. Nether is this a topic suitable to get expatiated on public boards nor do I see any reasons to talk about it generally to anyone who isnt concerned directly.

Your always free to pm me with the info.

[Guran]

Originally Posted by LEFF|pm

Yep we did and many of them indeed got closed. That is just one of the reasons why they are not growing in size anymore. But I dont see any need to pick out special members and go into details. Nether is this a topic suitable to get expatiated on public boards nor do I see any reasons to talk about it generally to anyone who isnt concerned directly.

You come here with serious accusations but you don't want to discuss them. If you really had proofs, I doubt ToT would exist anymore. You shouldn't have brought up the issue in the first place.

You should know better..

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Guran

You come here with serious accusations but you don't want to discuss them. If you really had proofs, I doubt ToT would exist anymore. You shouldn't have brought up the issue in the first place.

You should know better..

can't you read? He said he reported them or someone did and they got closed. End of discussion, what else do you need? He said there were cheaters in tot, they got closed, isn't that enough backup?

rgds Kj

[Stress]

Originally Posted by LEFF|pm

I already had a little chat with XtotheZ yesterday who was very angry about me accusing him of using illegal methods to get hold of informations, and you will get the same answer.

i jst get starteled of comments like these. do u know for a fact how this innformation has come across ? I doubt u do, as i refer to it as 'illleagle'

I understand that you need to graps for anny oppertunety to come threw this, as the one standing on his high horse. Yet unless u can prove that there is some fofm of foul play here. I do not se why your allegations, and slandering. Puts you in anny better light, then the ones you are trying to slander.

in this situation, where you imply hacking, ddsoing etc. ON bases u obviously do not understand, only to lift you and your own. On the cost of others. Reallt does not make you look like the 'better indevidual' nor should u clame a moral vitory, if u need to shoult about it from the barracades.

Stress-

[xtothez]

Originally Posted by LEFF|pm

I already had a little chat with XtotheZ yesterday who was very angry about me accusing him of using illegal methods to get hold of informations, and you will get the same answer. If you dont like being blamed for cheating, then simply dont cheat anymore.

<LEFF|bed> I have to admit, that i cant be sure it was personally you

You've already had a post deleted from another thread for baseless accusations and outright lies. If you continue with this charade at least have the decency to admit you're a hypocrite too.