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Unread 3 Nov 2006, 13:10   #201
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

it is foretold that if exi win r19, the game itself will implode, so ask yourselves, a life with pa or without, i know you will make the right choice children
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

Didnt Legion have a pack full of strong HC's? Like r2 or first half of r3. Grendel, Biggdogg, MrX, Diamonds, Are, etc.
Someone who really played r2 can perhaps give more details here.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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Didnt Legion have a pack full of strong HC's? Like r2 or first half of r3. Grendel, Biggdogg, MrX, Diamonds, Are, etc.
Someone who really played r2 can perhaps give more details here.
Round 2 VtS was led by MrX, Grendel and Are in the main. Biggdogg wasn't appointed HC until late round 2.

Round 3 Legion was led by Grendel to begin with, Biggdogg took over the main duties a few weeks in, and then towards the end Grendel took over again.

VtS/Legion was said to be a 'council', but in actual fact it was very simular to Fury, in that one HC seemed to have the overriding influence on decisions. With the other HC's charged with taking care of the day to day runnings.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

eXi now have 49 members, its just sad to see how shit and spineless the top 5 alliances have become, I really hope eXi win now as they are the only ones who aren't pissing themselves at the thought of a war...
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eXi now have 49 members, its just sad to see how shit and spineless the top 5 alliances have become, I really hope eXi win now as they are the only ones who aren't pissing themselves at the thought of a war...
I hear one of those top 4 alliances might have a deal with eXilition going. Funny how things turn out.

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Coupled with this it shouldn't be that hard to figure out which one.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

its more funny how no one ever learns from pervious rounds and allows the same things to happen again and again.
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its more funny how no one ever learns from pervious rounds and allows the same things to happen again and again.
funny? i find it kinda sad
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its more funny how no one ever learns from pervious rounds and allows the same things to happen again and again.
I don't think that anyone has ever demonstrated the 'wrongness' of these actions though. Let's assume that qebab is right, and ND have a deal with eX. This strikes me as being somewhat similar to past deals with 1up. In fact, there is a history of ND making deals with leading alliances which goes back several rounds. Have ND suffered from this? Well, they're still here, aren't they? They're still fairly highly ranked and may well expect to finish with planets in the top 10 or top 20. Is this a bad result for ND?

Note: I am not at all convinced by qebab's intel. I have no idea if ND do have a deal with eX, and I suspect that they do not.
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I hear one of those top 4 alliances might have a deal with eXilition going. Funny how things turn out.

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Coupled with this it shouldn't be that hard to figure out which one.
this you call rumours

the real fact atm is that angels/tof/vision went after nd

so actually your pointing fingers at nd for what you 'heard' and can not prove while forgeting your own ally have already blocked ...
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this you call rumours

the real fact atm is that angels/tof/vision went after nd

so actually your pointing fingers at nd for what you 'heard' and can not prove while forgeting your own ally have already blocked ...
I am not "pointing any fingers" for blocking. I am not doing any politics at all, and I generally don't care about intel. I am just a loyal and happy peon.

That said, this piece was too good to miss. As for proof, check your pm. If you don't chuckle, you got no sense of humour.
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this you call rumours

the real fact atm is that angels/tof/vision went after nd

so actually your pointing fingers at nd for what you 'heard' and can not prove while forgeting your own ally have already blocked ...
if you pulled your head out of your ass you would realize that wasnt the only deal made between alliances this round. And ND werent the only alliance to have a group of alliances hit them. I have no sympathy for any of the alliances, theyve all had an equal pounding.
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if you pulled your head out of your ass you would realize that wasnt the only deal made between alliances this round. And ND werent the only alliance to have a group of alliances hit them. I have no sympathy for any of the alliances, theyve all had an equal pounding.
im talking about whats going on NOW, i havent nowhere said this was the only deal made this round. (nd/co vs angels, angels/omen vs nd , nd/co vs omen, angels/co vs omen, angels/co vs nd, something like this)

so pull your head out of your ass and start taking reading lessons dude.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

actually it happened two days ago, so its just as relative as the other groups attacking one alliance. You make it sound like angels is some how evil for their moves, and my point was the same moves have been made by other alliances throughout the round.

So not really sure what your trying to flame.
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I am not doing any politics at all
Could you start then? Angels might have a chance. :|
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Could you start then? Angels might have a chance. :|
You did read the part about me being just a loyal and lovely peon, right?

The things that require most effort of those I have done this round is to sit up late at night and call/sms people for dcs, and I want no more responsibility than that.
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actually it happened two days ago, so its just as relative as the other groups attacking one alliance. You make it sound like angels is some how evil for their moves, and my point was the same moves have been made by other alliances throughout the round.

So not really sure what your trying to flame.
heh, u do realise angel's attempt of getting ND to do their work against exi was to say "either u attack omen so we can attack exi or we all attack you full force"

that's almost as arrogant as keiz's "political skills"

in other words, if angels is more worried about ND not listening to them than letting exi win.. then don't try to blame it on ND if exi manages to win..
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

Hold up, angels are taking time out from trying to launch attack fleets at their own planets to do politics? Really?
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Yeah, we're quite charming, aren't we?

PS! You should maybe specify what kind of fleets we are launching at ourselves.
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Yeah, we're quite charming, aren't we?

PS! You should maybe specify what kind of fleets we are launching at ourselves.
A valid point well made and listened to.
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heh, u do realise angel's attempt of getting ND to do their work against exi was to say "either u attack omen so we can attack exi or we all attack you full force"

that's almost as arrogant as keiz's "political skills"

in other words, if angels is more worried about ND not listening to them than letting exi win.. then don't try to blame it on ND if exi manages to win..
Taking into account that Crusie just left ND because ND NAP'd a certain alliance, oh, what? Gosh. Talk about arrogance in your post, darling.
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eXi now have 49 members, its just sad to see how shit and spineless the top 5 alliances have become, I really hope eXi win now as they are the only ones who aren't pissing themselves at the thought of a war...
Coming from a guy who isn't playing and selfpronounced "out of the loop" this sure means alot!
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Taking into account that Crusie just left ND because ND NAP'd a certain alliance, oh, what? Gosh. Talk about arrogance in your post, darling.
well yeah i dno if we did, but if we did i think nd hc did it because they thought they didnt have any other options.. what with getting hit by everybody all the time etc

alliances should take more responsability for their actions.. IF ND napped exi they were forced to cause of the political "play" of others, no other reason than that
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well yeah i dno if we did, but if we did i think nd hc did it because they thought they didnt have any other options.. what with getting hit by everybody all the time etc

alliances should take more responsability for their actions.. IF ND napped exi they were forced to cause of the political "play" of others, no other reason than that
You are saying that other people make your decisions for you? That you're just a puppet playing after some other people's strings?

No, honestly I read it again. And it still looks like you're saying that others dictated your politics. Fair enough, in some situations you can't act, only react. Was this one?

What does the 1up people in NewDawn feel about this?
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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alliances should take more responsability for their actions.. IF ND napped exi they were forced to cause of the political "play" of others, no other reason than that
How much do you really know about the political play of anyone? It's a bit pathetic "victimizing" an alliance for whatever their descisions might have been, as the named alliance was amongst the first to start forcing others into descisions with their political play. On left hand you're saying alliances should take responsibility of their actions, on right saying, okay, ND is cool though, they don't need to do that as the responsibility for their actions is others'.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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You are saying that other people make your decisions for you? That you're just a puppet playing after some other people's strings?

No, honestly I read it again. And it still looks like you're saying that others dictated your politics. Fair enough, in some situations you can't act, only react. Was this one?

What does the 1up people in NewDawn feel about this?
there's nothing wrong in having to react to the political play of other alliances, it happens all the time
all alliances are coherent entities in planetarion, everything they do affects the choices of the other alliances
with the way ND choose they are also affecting the other alliances to take an action thereselves.. i don't see how u can call it puppetry tho
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How much do you really know about the political play of anyone? It's a bit pathetic "victimizing" an alliance for whatever their descisions might have been, as the named alliance was amongst the first to start forcing others into descisions with their political play. On left hand you're saying alliances should take responsibility of their actions, on right saying, okay, ND is cool though, they don't need to do that as the responsibility for their actions is others'.
ofc they also need to take responsability, but not when they're forced one way..

ok, maybe the HC can be held responsible for having shite political play at the beginning of the round, and who nows maybe via via this was what they had coming and it is their fault, but there's so many actions and reactions in the shite they did in the beginning and the result now that it could EASELY have turned out another way..

they could've napped angels&co when angels offered it and attack omen, yet they didn't, is that a bad choice then keiz? should they be held responsible for not joining the biggest block in the game then?
if you want to lay that on them, then go ahead.

no, in this case, this reaction they had to take if they actually took it (i don't know, i've not asked anybody yet as i'm just getting up to send/recall def every few ticks and read these boards here), they can't be held responsible imo/
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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You are saying that other people make your decisions for you? That you're just a puppet playing after some other people's strings?

No, honestly I read it again. And it still looks like you're saying that others dictated your politics. Fair enough, in some situations you can't act, only react. Was this one?

What does the 1up people in NewDawn feel about this?
The bottom line is that ND doing nothing (and getting hit by all comers despite having no rocks) is worse than ND doing something (any of our options not being as good as I would like them to be from my standing point).

If ND and Omen went for Exilition, any headway we'd make would be inevitably pegged back by Angels (and why not extend your lead), regardless of any involvement by Angels in any campaign versus that alliance. Angels are hardly going to help ND ever as annoy Angels once, they're bitter for life, with HC verging on the asocial.

While you are not a politician and have limited authority in your alliance, your alliance's attitude is nicely summed up here:

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Personally I wouldn't really mind a war with eXilition, even though I know they are better than us. It just comes down to some facts:

We are already on #1 spot, if we can "outroid" eXilition we can keep it, and they will bring the war to us, sooner or later.

If we go to war against eXilition, I fear to experience a repeat of round 15 with our dc's working their arse of to cover some incomings, only to see ND launch morning waves and take cap on us. Only this time with both ND and Omen, in which case there is no doubt we would lose rather quickly.

eXilition are not currently "winning", they are just very fat. Sure it would make sense to target them to steal some of their roids, but they are the one alliance that can actually defend them well.

As I said, I wouldn't mind such a war, but I don't think I am in the position to start it.
This implies that Angels are more than happy to wait, see ND and Omen go and hit exilition and then try and hold on to any kind of lead they might have, as they know the first two will lose stacks of value because exilition are better and the second one can't possibly come out unscathed considering their numbers. The lead that you would build, therefore is one that you were prepared to defend until December.

So when people make political moves to counter that strategy, you can hardly be surprised and thus anything you write on the issue is pretty much laughable. You were trying to be awkward for everyone else and now others are being awkward to you and it should come as no surprise whatsoever.

As for the blatant attempt to try and divide NewDawn - if you want to talk about division, we could stand here all day laughing at the fact that a good number of your membership have planetnaps with the opposition while the rest of your members are hung out to dry. You might want to try and pick on different affiliations but as an ND member I hope we never tolerate such pathetic behaviour amongst our own ranks.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

When it comes to Angels and their members I cant really say i've seen a more selfish bunch in PA. Being HC in Angels with all the players pulling in every direction they feel likecant be easy. Im not exactly impressed with their ability to control their members given my previous expiriences with them.

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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

they're not all selfish, they're mostly just walkovers, of course there's only a bunch of them who really are selfish and use them totally for their own gain. and the walkovers of course, don't do anything about it
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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This implies that Angels are more than happy to wait, see ND and Omen go and hit exilition
While you are making a good overall evaluation of the situation, there is one thing you're missing. Or two. First, ND are politically allied to LCH, so they have some numeric advantage to grind with. Second, Angels has treaties with Tides of Fire, and Vision, so they have even more numeric leverage. Now why on earth would Omen interfere in by attacking eXilition, just to face an inevitable fight against a double or triple quantity? The logic of yours would imply we should ally either side and work our way in. There's a plethora of choices, and the overall lack of interest in dealing with a plethora of "threats" affects our choices too.

We're not just going to lick the pavement and roll in the red carpet for Angels, that's for sure.
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While you are making a good overall evaluation of the situation, there is one thing you're missing. Or two. First, ND are politically allied to LCH, so they have some numeric advantage to grind with. Second, Angels has treaties with Tides of Fire, and Vision, so they have even more numeric leverage. Now why on earth would Omen interfere in by attacking eXilition, just to face an inevitable fight against a double or triple quantity? The logic of yours would imply we should ally either side and work our way in. There's a plethora of choices, and the overall lack of interest in dealing with a plethora of "threats" affects our choices too.

We're not just going to lick the pavement and roll in the red carpet for Angels, that's for sure.
Far be it from me to throw stones at ND's allies but LCH are 11th and we are talking about exilition who have a plethora of fleet power. Now I don't think that's a reasonable basis to conduct a war with exilition.

As to why Omen would interfere - well, first off let me make it clear that I'm not taking Omen for granted in my evaluation. It just seems to me that a point would come where you would feel obliged to hit exilition which is exactly what Angels (as you rightly seem to understand) are hoping for because in the next few weeks, they would grow dramatically at an increasing rate unchecked and Angels have pretty much made it clear they want to play on it.

Angels tried to close off the round which certainly isn't in anyone's interests if you aren't Angels. Doing something gives ND at least a vague chance of doing something progressive and given my assessment above and your assessment of the Angels position, it's hardly surprising that suddenly it's them feeling their nadgers in a vice.

What's the future for ND as a result of this? The honest assessment is don't know and don't particularly care, given that the other options are equally as messy, if not worse. If it goes well however and ND play well, the round will be opened up quite considerably, which is a damn sight better than the position they lie in today.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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Coming from a guy who isn't playing and selfpronounced "out of the loop" this sure means alot!
What does being "out of the loop" have to do with eXi's score gains? you're gaining a mil a day on ToF, at this rate eXi will win the round pretty comfortably with the current top 4 alliances fighting amongs each other for the #2 spot, as thats what they're seemingly doing atm.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

Kila, in the post I replied to, you said nothing about scoregains, you made an unfounded claim on eXilition having 49 members.

Also, why is Keizari implying that Omen are on their own in this thing called politics? They clearly aren't, thats for sure.
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you get'em stoom.
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Kila, in the post I replied to, you said nothing about scoregains, you made an unfounded claim on eXilition having 49 members.
The 49 was just me misreading the 43 that eXi had intag (yes I'm an idiot), but I do know that they have people playing for them outisde of their tag - people in other tags who attack/fleetatch etc with eXi.

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Also, why is Keizari implying that Omen are on their own in this thing called politics? They clearly aren't, thats for sure.
First you call my claims unfounded and then say this?
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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While you are making a good overall evaluation of the situation, there is one thing you're missing. Or two. First, ND are politically allied to LCH, so they have some numeric advantage to grind with.
I heard ND is not only with LCH but also with xVx..
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but I do know that they have people playing for them outisde of their tag - people in other tags who attack/fleetatch etc with eXi.
anyone getting gal m8's or friends to join them on a fleetcatch is normal procedure
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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You are saying that other people make your decisions for you? That you're just a puppet playing after some other people's strings?

No, honestly I read it again. And it still looks like you're saying that others dictated your politics. Fair enough, in some situations you can't act, only react. Was this one?

What does the 1up people in NewDawn feel about this?
qebab... dident angels nap exi r13? was that ok as angels did it? or also bad?

if a group of alliances gangs on angels, would u just sit there and take the beating?
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I heard ND is not only with LCH but also with xVx..
someone give this man some posrep. :/
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anyone getting gal m8's or friends to join them on a fleetcatch is normal procedure
The odd fleetcatch is acceptable, but it becomes something different altogether when they are helping eXi's fleetcatching BGs on a daily basis.
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Attacking with exi is fun, so much flak :d
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I heard ND is not only with LCH but also with xVx..
I also heard that ToF was going to stop sending 11 fleets over 4 waves on a 200 roid planet (<3 tof)

Edit: 5 waves. Sorry Possible that one guy just launched late though

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The odd fleetcatch is acceptable, but it becomes something different altogether when they are helping eXi's fleetcatching BGs on a daily basis.
Daily? Afaik our ziks dont really do FCs every day. Recently ive been on a few but not many considereing the length of the round.

BTW people do invite friends to attack with them (including FCs), this isn't againt PAteam rules..................................................yet.
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Daily? Afaik our ziks dont really do FCs every day. Recently ive been on a few but not many considereing the length of the round.

BTW people do invite friends to attack with them (including FCs), this isn't againt PAteam rules..................................................yet.
Actually it is if they do it more than once and they aren't people from the galaxies of your alliance mates that are attacking, because of the support planets rule.
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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someone give this man some posrep. :/
In the 'making shit up' stakes it was rather well done I have to agree.
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The odd fleetcatch is acceptable, but it becomes something different altogether when they are helping eXi's fleetcatching BGs on a daily basis.
if your gonna post from outside the box then do so with proof
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I also heard that ToF was going to stop sending 11 fleets over 4 waves on a 200 roid planet (<3 tof)

Edit: 5 waves. Sorry Possible that one guy just launched late though
not our fault ND have shit roids :'-(
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

I think its time Nd And Omen used their true skills to spice up this round:
1) pose as a horny female noob and lure an unsuspecting Angels member into a private room
2) Get him so hot he forgets all about his Alliances torrid political hisorty and in a moment of self enjoment screams his address as he wants more from the ND/omen sluts
3) Jump in LCH's Van and let Omen pick the lock while ND makes a pot of tea in the strangers house
4) Send all Poor Mr Angels fleets attacking exilition
5) Add structure killers and call your fleets 'Kaifux is ghey' 'VNC for teh Win' and 'Have legit credit card, will travel'
6) repeat x 78 members
7) sit back and watch the fireworks

prob about the only way this round will get any more exciting
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Re: eXilition are ranked #7

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if your gonna post from outside the box then do so with proof
What proof do you want?

"I know that on the 5 November at PT xxx that Mr. Boombastic joined in with a fleetcatch on xx:xx:xx - check the news report!"

Firstly how are you meant to prove it?
Secondly coords aren't allowed.
Thirdly eXi have pretty much admitted that occasionally they have people joining them on fleetcatches.

I'm not sure what Kila's point is, as all alliances have people joining them in fleetcatches. In fact I'd say eXi have more of a right to it than anyone, as they're still 20 or so planets below the alliance limit. An alliance that is full up and still using other planets to help them out should be scorned for doing it.
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Daily? Afaik our ziks dont really do FCs every day. Recently ive been on a few but not many considereing the length of the round.

BTW people do invite friends to attack with them (including FCs), this isn't againt PAteam rules..................................................yet.
i wish we had fcs everyday its a blessing when we actually get one, and it gets omg 200 def fleets ahoy
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thats because Alki BCs...
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