Planetarion Forums - Champions of Round 15?

ChipZ^ · 9 Dec 2005, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Imagine you're Exi HC, what would you expect Angels to do now? All they did was taking roids, not killing fleet. Our military potential strength has remained the same. Regardless of who I am or what my position is, Rob, would you expect Angels to be considered "unrelevant" in your upcoming war with ND (assuming you're Exi HC)?

Lets go back a week or so.

ND are #1 Angels are #2 and decide to have a mini war while eX are floating around back in #3.
ND and Angels both dont grow very much, some nights losing some nights gaining.
eX have little inc so get nice and fat, overtake Angels to become #2.

Back to present day.

The same senario would have happened as above except swap Angels/eX around. The thinking behind hitting you first (i assume) is to make sure ur far behind in roids so u wont catch up as quickly as we did. With the lower allainces not being so fat anymore it could ahve been possible to outgrow ND from this little mini war.

Senario change: ND hit eX last night

(cheeky monkeys)
I for one didn't actually expect ND to do it even tho it was prolly their best option so thumbs up to them.

Future?

Now with ND in the "ring" for the first time this round the plan of attacking Angels has to a certain extent backfired but all is not lost in the little dream world that is my mind. This is a very good thing for Angels cause they can catch up when ND/eX are playing with eachother.

Things that I will be interested to see over the coming week include how well ND can take inc, wether Angels will take this chance to concievably sneak win the round or only hit eX till the end, a nekkid pic of mazz, me kicking my mates ass at pool in 10 mins and what plans 1up have :P

Barrow|Pony · 9 Dec 2005, 14:45

No, I'm being completely serious here Mazz. Kjeldoran won this round, then gave it to ND, because our players aren't skilled enough to compete on a level with the rest of Planetarion, also because our HC is not capable of making the diplomatic moves necessary to secure a lead.

The rankings are this way out of generosity. ND "were presented" with this opportunity, we sure as hell didn't do anything to earn it.

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 14:46

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Originally Posted by ChipZ^

Things that I will be interested to see over the coming week include how well ND can take inc, wether Angels will take this chance to concievably sneak win the round or only hit eX till the end, a nekkid pic of mazz, me kicking my mates ass at pool in 10 mins and what plans 1up have :P

1up will be forming a block with your mate and are planning to 8 ball you.

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

Yes, in all honesty, thank you Kjeldoran for giving ND this round. You really earned it.

Also, you know what the MAIN difference is between Angels r13 and ND r15? fact that in r13, Exi won the war with 1up (blockwar) hence the "avoiding" tactic simply didn't work well enough.

This round the war was pretty even all round, hence the "avoiding" tactic works.

And barrow, sure I'm bittered cause I didn't win. I play to win, if I fail then I'm not happy about it. You on the other hand are bitter towards me cause (as most pple agree) ND got handed this round on several occassions.

But again, you need to be good, you need to be up there to take the gift and use it. So credits for that ...

A good example here from F1 is a certain race where Montoya was in the lead the ENTIRE race but spinned 2 rounds before finish. Alonso passed him and won. His explanation was: "Sure he gave me the race win for free, but I still had to follow him and stay close to him all race so I couid actually take advantage of his spin".

That's what ND did, they put themselves into that position that they could take advantage of this.

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 14:54

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Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

No, I'm being completely serious here Mazz. Kjeldoran won this round, then gave it to ND, because our players aren't skilled enough to compete on a level with the rest of Planetarion, also because our HC is not capable of making the diplomatic moves necessary to secure a lead.

I think you're getting a bit silly now. The three favourites for the round were 1up, Angels and eX with ND coming in close to that threesome but slightly lacking in military power in comparison to these three. I think to deny that is pretty much lying to yourself and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone outside ND that would disagree.

The whole point of Kjeldorans post was that he was complimenting your diplomatic ability. You've kept your noses clean, stayed out of trouble and capitalised on conflicts between the three "favourites" to stretch out a solid lead in terms of roids and score and are deservedly in the top spot (Kjeldoran imght not think deservedly but one can't argue with facts).

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Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

The rankings are this way out of generosity. ND "were presented" with this opportunity, we sure as hell didn't do anything to earn it.

How about we knock the sarcasm on the head and you just accept that people accept that you have played your diplomatic cards as well as you could have done. I don;t think Kjeldoran said anything wrong, he might not have meant it with heartfelt goodwill but the fact remains, in my opinion, that he didn't say anything that wasn't factually correct.

Barrow|Pony · 9 Dec 2005, 14:58

Then he sure as hell didn't need to chuck in the knock on our dedication. If you're going to compliment the political savvy, then do it, and don't use it as a tool to insult the member base of ND.

Thanks for the thumbs up, but don't use it to whine about the integrity of my friends.

Tesla · 9 Dec 2005, 14:59

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Originally Posted by ChipZ^

Maybe you should read what i quoted before making urself look stupid?

You are wrong. Read what you wrote yourself contra what Kj wrote. The fact that you don't even see that you are wrong, shows who is the stupid one tbh :\

NitinA · 9 Dec 2005, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I think Exi decided ND should win and that they will settle for #2. That decision has been made the 8th of December and Angels will do what they requested ... making sure they end #2 or lower.

It's humorous to me to see how Angels' goals for the round deminished over time. It seems to me, from the informaiton Angels HC and members have posted throughout the round, that Angels wished to win the round initally and slowly, over the course of a round, lowered their goals to simply being anti-another alliance, instead of pro-their own alliance. Which, in my humble opinion, is the greatest compliment that Angels (or any alliance) could possibly give another alliance. Thank you.

Weather ND or anyone else wins the round, I think we've (eX) done very execellent. I give a lot of credit to eX as an alliance and a force to be rekoned with. We're one tough cookie to bite, despite whatever other opinions anyone has of us. I've made a lot of friends in eX, have just loved the fudge out of the round, and have had incredible amounts of fun. No matter what anyone else thinks or says of us, we've done a superb job and had a great time.

-NitinA

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

Then he sure as hell didn't need to chuck in the knock on our dedication. If you're going to compliment the political savvy, then do it, and don't use it as a tool to insult the member base of ND.

Thanks for the thumbs up, but don't use it to whine about the integrity of my friends.

Read your board pm, it explains better what I mean (incase I didn't come across clearly enough).

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

Then he sure as hell didn't need to chuck in the knock on our dedication. If you're going to compliment the political savvy, then do it, and don't use it as a tool to insult the member base of ND.

I'm fairly sure by now you realise sometimes you have to read beyond Kjeldorans posts to circumvent the pro Angels bit to get to the real fact of the matter.

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Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

Thanks for the thumbs up, but don't use it to whine about the integrity of my friends.

Was that aimed at me? If so I have not the foggiest idea what it means.

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 15:05

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Originally Posted by mazzelaar

I'm fairly sure by now you realise sometimes you have to read beyond Kjeldorans posts to circumvent the pro Angels bit to get to the real fact of the matter.

Hehe, stop analysing me !!

Zo0f · 9 Dec 2005, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

To give you a more satisfying answer ... one doesn't exclude the others. If we wanna win, we HAVE to prevent Exi from winning, as we'd have to prevent ND or 1up from winning

The work taken to do either successfully will hamper the other. If you specifically try to stop Exi winning you will never win. If you specifically try to win yourselves you are likely to leave a fair chance of Exi winning. From the tone of your first post it seems you are more interested in stopping Exi winning as revenge for the recent attack on you.

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 15:08

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Originally Posted by NitinA

Weather ND or anyone else wins the round, I think we've (eX) done very execellent. I give a lot of credit to eX as an alliance and a force to be rekoned with. We're one tough cookie to bite, despite whatever other opinions anyone has of us. I've made a lot of friends in eX, have just loved the fudge out of the round, and have had incredible amounts of fun. No matter what anyone else thinks or says of us, we've done a superb job and had a great time.

-NitinA

I'm pretty sure inbetween all the flaming of max and skyhead that most AD posters have accepted that.

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 15:09

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Originally Posted by Zo0f

The work taken to do either successfully will hamper the other. If you specifically try to stop Exi winning you will never win. If you specifically try to win yourselves you are likely to leave a fair chance of Exi winning. From the tone of your first post it seems you are more interested in stopping Exi winning as revenge for the recent attack on you.

Nah, I agree it pissed me off cause I simply didn't expect nor see the relevance of their actions. But I'm 1 HC of a team, and we're all pretty annoyed with what Exi did, yet nonetheless we have to justify our actions to our own members and do what's in THEIR best interest.

ComradeRob · 9 Dec 2005, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Forest

Exil were well aware that Angels had 1) stopped targetting exil, and 2) openly stated that they would rather see exil win than ND, after ND had left angels without support, and did there best to hit them hard when they were down, stopping fluid politics.

What the ****? Why on earth should ND have "supported" Angels? You say Angels wanted Exilition to beat ND, then accuse ND of not supporting Angels. Seriously, what the ****?

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Exil had to hit ND to win, and I have no idea why they just messed up a perfectly well played political round by mass hitting angels.

Because they've been at war with them for most of the round? Putting Angels down by 20% killed off any chance of Angels winning the round. Clearing the field of rivals is generally a good idea, and there wasn't much time left to do it in. If Exilition go on to beat ND (not an unlikely scenario, they are a better alliance in military terms) then it will be seen a a bold and decisive move. Unless...

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Unless they are sure of course that there support planets can do enough to take down angels AND nd?

... it's actually down to their cheating, multi scum habits.

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 15:54

So, Angels are gonna "pull a Reunion" now? #3 preventing the #2 from overtaking #1 ?

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

So, Angels are gonna "pull a Reunion" now? #3 preventing the #2 from overtaking #1 ?

No, but you may conclude whatever you like really

Tesla · 9 Dec 2005, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

So, Angels are gonna "pull a Reunion" now? #3 preventing the #2 from overtaking #1 ?

Im down with that, eX made their bed when they attacked us instead of the objective

Paisley · 9 Dec 2005, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

So, Angels are gonna "pull a Reunion" now? #3 preventing the #2 from overtaking #1 ?

Question is will Angels nap with ND as Reunion did with 1up last round.

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 16:00

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Originally Posted by buddies

Question is will Angels nap with ND as Reunion did with 1up last round.

Let's ask AD, let's CERTAINLY ask Tomkat .... Because AD/Tomkat knows these things better then the involved HC's !! Or let's ask the "I quit but I'm still in the loop" type of posters aswell !!

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

So, Angels are gonna "pull a Reunion" now? #3 preventing the #2 from overtaking #1 ?

You'd rather they joined ex and beat the shit out of you? And, as much as I <3 ND, I don't think ND would have overtaken 1up if Reunion hadn't hit them.

Tesla · 9 Dec 2005, 16:00

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Originally Posted by mazzelaar

You'd rather they joined ex and beat the shit out of you? And, as much as I <3 ND, I don't think ND would have overtaken 1up if Reunion hadn't hit them.

Unless Scorpio has been let back in, Scorpio is not ND..

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Tesla

Im down with that, eX made their bed when they attacked us instead of the objective

Heh, in that case I will continue hostilities towards Angels

Correct Tesla, I left ND and do not intend to rejoin.

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 16:02

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Originally Posted by buddies

Question is will Angels nap with ND as Reunion did with 1up last round.

The 1up/Reunion NAP of last round was entered into way, way before the corresponding point of this round. Reuinion were languishing down in the depths of the top 10 when that took place. It makes no difference to anything, just wanted you to make a reasonable comparison

Tesla · 9 Dec 2005, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

Heh, in that case I will continue hostilities towards Angels

Correct Tesla, I left ND and do not intend to rejoin.

Make no mistake about it: I am not Angels HC, I dont make out our guidelines.. I just know I want to see eX crying at 2nd spot or lower ;-)

As for leaving, I heard that wasn't totally out of free will

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Tesla

Make no mistake about it: I am not Angels HC, I dont make out our guidelines.. I just know I want to see eX crying at 2nd spot or lower ;-)

As for leaving, I heard that wasn't totally out of free will

It was actually. I decided I did not want to stay and play with a certain individual in ND.
Eventually his mistake has been corrected by someone else, but ND's gap to Exiltion became 7mil smaller thx to him ;-)

Zo0f · 9 Dec 2005, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Nah, I agree it pissed me off cause I simply didn't expect nor see the relevance of their actions. But I'm 1 HC of a team, and we're all pretty annoyed with what Exi did, yet nonetheless we have to justify our actions to our own members and do what's in THEIR best interest.

I respect that line of thinking. Your initial posts did not portray the same line of reasoning though, which caused my misunderstanding. Aslong as rational thinking wins in the end, its all that counts.

As for the relevance, I would propose Exi do not see ND as a serious threat. If Exi can batter down Angels/1up enough, ND could well fall in 1-2 nights. Unless a lot has changed that is a very realistic assumption.

As for the basis of my proposal: Last round ND gave up (mentally) before 1up even launched a fleet at them. They were crushed in one night (due to not even attacking back, if they had it would not of been such an extreme thrashing). ND have (in the past) had the habbit of withdrawing into a shell under heavy incomming and trying to defend through it (which never works).

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

It was actually. I decided I did not want to stay and play with a certain individual in ND.

How Touching, I bet if pple would use that arguement to leave Angels, cause they don't always agree with a certain person, or often find that person annoying (I wonder who we're talking about now) ... then there wouldn't be much Angels left

Hell, even Tesla would have then

Leaving because of 1 person imo is silly and kinda betrayes the value called "loyalty"

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

How Touching, I bet if pple would use that arguement to leave Angels, cause they don't always agree with a certain person, or often find that person annoying (I wonder who we're talking about now) ... then there wouldn't be much Angels left

Hell, even Tesla would have then

Leaving because of 1 person imo is silly and kinda betrayes the value called "loyalty"

Has nothing to do with loyalty, infact I asked for (and have received) the full ND coords list to avoid hitting them. So that argument goes up in smoke

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

Has nothing to do with loyalty, infact I asked for (and have received) the full ND coords list to avoid hitting them. So that argument goes up in smoke

Or to give it to someone else ... so that arguement also goes up in smoke ...

Fact is, loyalty is something you create towards an alliance. If 1 person is strong enough to break your loyalty, then my assumption is that your loyalty value wasn't that great in the first place.

Forest · 9 Dec 2005, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

Yes, in all honesty, thank you Kjeldoran for giving ND this round. You really earned it.

We can continue this line of posting if you wish, and I can join with some lines of thanks.

I suggest however, you give it up now before you end up looking stupid

ReligFree · 9 Dec 2005, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

It was actually. I decided I did not want to stay and play with a certain individual in ND.
Eventually his mistake has been corrected by someone else, but ND's gap to Exiltion became 7mil smaller thx to him ;-)

And your proud of the fact that you left your alliance that has defended you and you ahve attacked with them all round to the alliance that is in direct competition with us. Jesus christ.

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 16:35

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Or to give it to someone else ... so that arguement also goes up in smoke ...

Fact is, loyalty is something you create towards an alliance. If 1 person is strong enough to break your loyalty, then my assumption is that your loyalty value wasn't that great in the first place.

I think even you know that I am more loyal than that

Heh, I just realized... In all the rounds (quite some) that I have played.. these will be the only 2 weeks that I have played against NewDawn :eek:

The_Fish · 9 Dec 2005, 16:38

You must be very proud of yourself.

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 16:41

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Originally Posted by The_Fish

You must be very proud of yourself.

If I wasn't I would have accepted the crap I got and stayed in ND.

ps Heh, see what you've done, Tesla? You've turned the whole thread upside down and made it about me and ND :s

The_Fish · 9 Dec 2005, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

If I wasn't I would have accepted the crap I got and stayed in ND.

ps Heh, see what you've done, Tesla? You've turned the whole thread upside down and made it about me and ND :s

Actually, you turned the thread upside down boasting about how you've shipjumped, shown 0 loyalty, and think more of yourself for it.

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 16:49

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Originally Posted by The_Fish

Actually, you turned the thread upside down boasting about how you've shipjumped, shown 0 loyalty, and think more of yourself for it.

Hmm, I don't like insinuating posts ...
You really do want me to attack ND, don't you?

/me wonders who covered Misd today..

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 16:52

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Originally Posted by The_Fish

Actually, you turned the thread upside down boasting about how you've shipjumped, shown 0 loyalty, and think more of yourself for it.

The only thing that's missing if he now claims he knows more about ND politics, motives and goals then ND HC ... Because ... again ... AD always knows better !!

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 17:03

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

Hmm, I don't like insinuating posts ...
You really do want me to attack ND, don't you?

/me wonders who covered Misd today..

I'm not sure about insinuation, I think he was out and out calling you a shipumping, disloyal twat.

Phil^ · 9 Dec 2005, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

AD always knows better !!

and dont you forget it

lokken · 9 Dec 2005, 17:05

As has been repeated ad nauseam this round - ND just reviews things on a day to day basis, and acts accordingly..

We have been savvy, and we are currently at war.

In my view none of you have any cause for complaint at this point in time. The only difference between then and now is that we're doing it on our terms.

And people who think the round is over need beating with a stick.

For the record - Scorpio left ND because i banned him from AD for breaking the rules. He effectively tried to blackmail me into unbanning him by threatening to leave. My responsibility to AD was more important and so he remained banned and he left ND. As far as i'm concerned that's the end of the Scorpio discussion and I will consider any further discussion of it as offtopic.

mazzelaar · 9 Dec 2005, 17:13

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Originally Posted by lokken

As has been repeated ad nauseam this round - ND just reviews things on a day to day basis, and acts accordingly..

Surely proactive planning is soemthing you might want to be considering at this moment in time? A reactive approach when portentially facing one of the best alliances around at this current time can only end in tears.

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Originally Posted by lokken

We have been savvy, and we are currently at war.

You are? Who with? To the best of my knowledge no-one has launched en masse on your recently. *note to self* cheeky sarcasm doesn't come accross well in the written form

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Originally Posted by lokken

In my view none of you have any cause for complaint at this point in time. The only difference between then and now is that we're doing it on our terms.

I didn't think I was complaining. More giving credit where it's due?

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Originally Posted by lokken

And people who think the round is over need beating with a stick.

You want me to beat vir fo you?

Gio2k · 9 Dec 2005, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

So, Angels are gonna "pull a Reunion" now? #3 preventing the #2 from overtaking #1 ?

Yes, we will. Good luck

Rinoa · 9 Dec 2005, 17:23

Anyway back to topic im glad to see from last night ND took the initiative and struck at exilition. You know if you keep playing like this you could actually stay on top. Congrats

Scorpio · 9 Dec 2005, 17:40

Now let's go back on topic:
the champions...

2 contenders left atm:
ND & eXi

ND will win, because: they've had this one coming after last round. Played it well this round, staying out of the major conflicts. Exi probably messed up now by attacking Angels again, so that gives ND some space as well.
Exi will win, because: they've quite successfully fought 2 alliances. Arguably with use of flak-alliances, though their quality cannot be compared to that of their enemies. A third alliance to beat would seem impossible, but there's a "do or die" attitude in Kaifux, so who knows

MaxMilliaN · 9 Dec 2005, 17:46

eXi did well this round, even if it doesnt win. facing 2 biggest rival alliances and beating them off is enuf victory for me atleast.

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

Well, they use arguments about friendship and all that stuff, which I do appreciate infact. But when I mention I have friends in exi, they get ballistic and want to organize raids on me ASAP. And that was before I had even mentioned joining exi

Now let's go back on topic:
the champions...

2 contenders left atm:
ND & eXi

ND will win, because: they've had this one coming after last round. Played it well this round, staying out of the major conflicts. Exi probably messed up now by attacking Angels again, so that gives ND some space as well.
Exi will win, because: they've quite successfully fought 2 alliances. Arguably with use of flak-alliances, though their quality cannot be compared to that of their enemies. A third alliance to beat would seem impossible, but there's a "do or die" attitude in Kaifux, so who knows

There, now the thread doesn't have to be closed

Heh, you got some flaws there. Exi fought and never won the war, infact, Angels closed in and overtook Exi and kept increasing that gap UNTILL ND decided to jump on the bandwagon and hit the #2 alliance (that and the fact that they knew Angels was gonna go after them).
Exi never fought another alliance alone, they always used flak. The flak doesn't even deny they helped ...

rgds Kj

Kjeldoran · 9 Dec 2005, 17:48

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

eXi did well this round, even if it doesnt win. facing 2 biggest rival alliances and beating them off is enuf victory for me atleast.

You
Did
Not
Beat
Your
Rivals

!!!

Jezus, the only reason you're #2 now is cause ND and ALL YOU FKING SUPPORTS/FLAK decided to twat Angels. That and only THAT is the reason you're #2.

A victory is what you did in r13, where your block beat the other block and you then ran away and nobody could catch up anymore. THAT is a victory.

MaxMilliaN · 9 Dec 2005, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Heh, you got some flaws there. Exi fought and never won the war, infact, Angels closed in and overtook Exi and kept increasing that gap UNTILL ND decided to jump on the bandwagon and hit the #2 alliance (that and the fact that they knew Angels was gonna go after them).
Exi never fought another alliance alone, they always used flak. The flak doesn't even deny they helped ...

rgds Kj

you are quite stupid my friend, when angels attacked eXi, eXi was at war with 1up. so dont give yourself much credit there and yet in the end you got owned. good move from Angels

Tesla · 9 Dec 2005, 17:50

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

eXi did well this round, even if it doesnt win. facing 2 biggest rival alliances and beating them off is enuf victory for me atleast.

hahahah.. Max is trying to save face.. !
Why do you even bother when your face look like yours do ?