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Unread 25 Aug 2005, 14:21   #1
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dS and Reunion

To all members of dS. Now I know you follow SkyHead etc, but please understand that what he says is not necessarily correct... The lies he put u through during the dS meeting were simply more than which imo you should take. I dont expect you to do anything drastic about it, I just feel I need to answer for myself, as SkyHead really puts Insomnia, Insomnia HC and myself in a bad position...

For outsiders, url can be found here... Should be read before replying to this thread.

SkyHead said politics were run by me, altho the HC all decided on a politics plan in which he thought was perfect himself. The only move he didnt like was the attacking Hydra move(which infact I wasnt even responsible for) and it was not because they picked one of our targets, it was because they attacked us alot when 1up kept hitting us. How he managed to pull my ego into this I barely can imagine lol. I probably gave him orders(ouch!)

Secondly, the activity wasnt decreasing. It was infact increasing. Thoose of you who were around a decent amount of time(which should be most of you) will know this. The way SkyHead has a go at the DC team is ridicilous. Yes there was indeed a DC that let a few defcalls go through. He was kicked from the alliance. Did you know that SkyHead once covered his own incommings and let Bee and Fink(Caut) get roided? Guess not. They all had the same incommings at the same eta(1up CR bg iirc)...
The rest of the DCs worked as hard as they could, and even tho there might have been 20 uncovered calls, dont forget that there were alot more covered ones. As PA is now, when bigger alliances gang on you, you simpy cannot keep all your roids.

Yes it is true that HC activity went down a bit for one week. It was because of work, I told SkyHead I had alot of work, and he said it was ok. He had alot of time anyway, and I never thought he'd use this against me.
If I am supposed to be able to study and play PA I need money. We need domain and server for Insomnia, and I need beer!. The other HCs took my share of the work, AND more people was appointed.

As I said before, dS did not supply the promised amount(the amount SKyHead promised) of scanners/DCs themselves, so why he has a go at our DCs/Scanners(and the few of dS that did a great job) is beyond me. The DC team did a good job, there were simply not enough people willing to spend the last part of their summer sorting other peoples def while they were partying or making money. For your information Ive covered both LCH and 1up planets ingal, and I've had people from both LCH and 1up ask me for Scans and targets, which means no alliance has 100% coverage on either branch.

So. Please dont blame me for SkyHead wanting to leave. He knew what he got when he came, we did well, infact we only lost roids 2-3 nights. Politics were just correct for our cause. Sadly, SkyHead only wanted to kill 1up.

I doubt Reunion will be able to cover you all. I hope you dont leave them once SkyHead gets tired.

Hope this is accepted as AD matherial, could imo make a nice discussion

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Re: dS and Reunion

There are enough inaccuracies there to suggest he is full of bullcrap.

/me waits for 1up to be owned 'at a later stage.'

I love internal politics, thanks for the read Jonas, it was an interesting insight into the thought processes of the enemy. Nothing there particularly surprises me though
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SkyHead said politics were run by me, altho the HC all decided on a politics plan in which he thought was perfect himself. The only move he didnt like was the attacking Hydra move(which infact I wasnt even responsible for) and it was not because they picked one of our targets, it was because they attacked us alot when 1up kept hitting us. How he managed to pull my ego into this I barely can imagine lol. I probably gave him orders(ouch!)

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Lets stop lying eh?

U know just as well as me what was the reasons for insomnia attacking Hydra that night.l Dont even try to talk ur way ouit of it.

Guess logs saying: "FINE, then we go for Hydra 100% tonight, since u wont drop that target"

means -nothing-

Also it seems that u didnt like to have dS in ur ranks. So it should be a win win situation?
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[23:10:09] <SkyHead> ND is 1ups backforce, believe it or not but this may also be done in unawareness of ND hc
[23:10:17] <SkyHead> They have a squad called DLR
[23:10:25] <SkyHead> Of about 10-15 planets
[23:10:31] <SkyHead> Cat CR team
[23:10:40] <SkyHead> Now we didn't get to much of those
[23:10:46] <SkyHead> Since we were napped with ND
[23:10:59] <SkyHead> But DLR actively work to retal 1ups incomings early morning.
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Best thread of AD in a while \o/
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Yeah, was a good read. I started thinking about George Bush and the war on Iraq for some reason reading Skyheads talk. What this thread proves is that Skyhead beleived whole-heartedly everything he said. hehe
No matter how stupid and obsurd it was. And the DLR retalling 1up incoming? LOL
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What Im trying to understand beyond all the he said she said crap is, how can they continue to be anti 1up if they join reunion who are napped to 1up?
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Lets stop lying eh?

U know just as well as me what was the reasons for insomnia attacking Hydra that night.l Dont even try to talk ur way ouit of it.

Guess logs saying: "FINE, then we go for Hydra 100% tonight, since u wont drop that target"

means -nothing-

Also it seems that u didnt like to have dS in ur ranks. So it should be a win win situation?
It was what made Bee decide to hit you guys, as you for the Nth time showed no interest of cooperation(I agreed to the hit). Hydra DID attack Insomnia AND 1up during the war we had. For free roids I would guess. Valid tactic, but gives u enemies.
Fact.

And yes, in one way im happy dS left, doesnt mean I dont like many of em tho. Also, its not the fact they left that made me angry, bu tthe way they did it. Abusing position and lying about me Insomnia to make the herd follow...pathetic...

Good thing we knew it for a while, and let him play on with it. We saved all info from arbiter and all info about dS etc. Also made sure we got people into his group so we got the info we wanted/needed.

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I don't get why he hates ND and 1up so much? Is it just cos we're better than him?
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What Im trying to understand beyond all the he said she said crap is, how can they continue to be anti 1up if they join reunion who are napped to 1up?
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Best bit of comedy all round.
Nah, I loved this more:

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Re: dS and Reunion

It's been some time since anywone posted any worthwhile/funny logs around here

Is it just me (couse Im inactive), or is SkyHead full of crap and has no clue about politics?
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Actually, with the cards on the table now, it will all be about politics from now on.
Who will win this round? Could be anyone in the top 4. I like this
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I Love The Smell Of Politics In The Morning!

My dear SkyHead...What makes you hate us so?

And i must agree with you Gio this has been the most fun Ive had in a while.

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It was what made Bee decide to hit you guys, as you for the Nth time showed no interest of cooperation(I agreed to the hit). Hydra DID attack Insomnia AND 1up during the war we had. For free roids I would guess. Valid tactic, but gives u enemies.
Fact.

And yes, in one way im happy dS left, doesnt mean I dont like many of em tho. Also, its not the fact they left that made me angry, bu tthe way they did it. Abusing position and lying about me Insomnia to make the herd follow...pathetic...

Good thing we knew it for a while, and let him play on with it. We saved all info from arbiter and all info about dS etc. Also made sure we got people into his group so we got the info we wanted/needed.

-Jonas-

seing as I know all we attacked at that time I know V well that we targetted gals with 1up in. If Insomnia shared gals with 1up. then yes they got attacked aswell.

We never targetted Insomnia. Untill u guys targetted us.

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As I dont know all that has been said / doen by dS I ll not comment on that.

Though I doubt its just one side which has done something wrong here.
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Re: dS and Reunion

DLR have not, do not, and wont retal 1ups attackers. We have no need to. NewDawn as a whole has no agreements with 1up, the same goes for DLR. DLR TP at about 23:00 bst normally so tbh how the f*ck do we find out whose attacking them and then retal. DLR hit gals for the vast majority of this round, so occasionally one of that gal might be at 1up, but the fleets were already placed at them long before that. DLR plays for ND, not "behind the HC's back" so tbh go sort your life out and get facts straight.

Oh and as for us being, and i quote, "****ers", we've played our round, hit gals all round except just recently so tbh there is no cause for such a sharp judgement against one alliance.

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You know I usually dont like to play the "savior" as it takes too much time out of my day, but sometimes I can make exceptions. If you will all submit your roids to me then we can all look at it as helping a common cause thus a gaming world as ONE. There would be no need for arguements, betrayals, underhanded tactics, wheeling and dealing etc. LOVE. Thats what im offering love between us all for the greater good of the community. Though apart from the favor Id being doing the rest of you, there are a few people I would have to request for some alone time in return. Think about it and let me know.








On a serious note, lets just play. Shit happens like this every rd we've played these games and every rd people *GASP* as though its something unheard of. So SkyHead has his plans. Insomnia got the rotten end of it but thats how it is. From my side we either let dS follow through with their plan or we dont. tis simple:> Everyone just smile and steal some roids. Or crash a FR fleet like me.:/
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SkyHead> a) ND needs to be dead. Reunion hold a cease fire till tick 750 with them

Why do we need to die?
We are fluyffly fs

Tbh this is comedy gold, weather the log is fake or not
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All lies!!! DLR is just a fantasy of ur imagination

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So Skyhead, does your superior attitude, political management skills and huge ****ing stack of TP celebrate the "almost" recruiting to #1 ?

God you people are awful at being decent.

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<SkyHead> But DLR actively work to retal 1ups incomings early morning.

So that's why they attacked me!
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<SkyHead> But DLR actively work to retal 1ups incomings early morning.

So that's why they attacked me!
You shouldn´t have attacked 1up.

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Re: dS and Reunion

That whole text stinks of a personal grudge to me, a thinly veiled attempt to manipulate the feelings of the members and turn them against Jonas in order to satisfy it. If the members have any sense they will listen to BOTH Skyhead and Jonas, and make their own minds up based on their own facts, and not someone elses.

Since im bored ive went through it line by line picking out some key parts to analyse
These are the parts i found interesting but for goodness sake, go through both sides yourselves and decide for yourselves. dont just follow the crowd or accept things in blind faith - including the comments i make

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[23:02:23] <SkyHead> We have had bad times, with bad targs, sometimes heavy incs
[23:02:29] <SkyHead> Due to lack of correct politic play
[23:02:47] <SkyHead> And lack of HC activity
[23:02:55] <SkyHead> The alliance has suffrered severly from this
Note how Skyhead is setting up the impression that politics has been a major factor in the demise of Insomnia - before mentioning that HC activity is also a factor. Competant leaders are more important then politics since the leaders DETERMINE the politics
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[23:03:23] <SkyHead> The scanner chan is getting thinner and thinner
[23:03:35] <SkyHead> ACtivity drops with DC's, scanners and HCs.
Again, Mentioning DC before HC. Setting the groundwork for a full on flame vs Jonas
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[23:04:22] <SkyHead> Its hard for DC's to get def, if any def at all.
[23:04:37] <SkyHead> No alliance have targeted us alot this round
Once again blaming DCs for the lack of defence, ignoring the point he made above that there are less members to get defence FROM
You can only work with the tools you are given in such a role - if the tools arent there ( ie fleets ), then there is sod all you can do
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[23:05:32] <SkyHead> DCs sometimes just lets calls go through
[23:05:38] <SkyHead> Because they can't be arsed
[23:05:47] <SkyHead> This has been more and more common attitude
[23:05:52] <SkyHead> of entire DC team
Yet again, pointing the finger of blame at the DCs rather then the HCs and the lack of leadership
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[23:06:24] <SkyHead> This is something that I am surprised to see however
[23:06:37] <SkyHead> As everything in Insomnia lacks organization
[23:06:45] <SkyHead> Jonas want to much of his power
[23:07:03] <SkyHead> So he is not doing the necesarry things
[23:07:10] <SkyHead> To help ensure this doesn't happen
Blaming Jonas here for a lack of Organisation. Correct me if im wrong but arent you a leader too SkyHead?
Isnt it your job to organise as well. why didnt you do it?
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[23:07:25] <SkyHead> Jonas should clearly appoint a hell lot of more people
[23:07:37] <SkyHead> To get rid some of his own work load
[23:07:49] <SkyHead> As I see it he has far to mcuh, and nothing gets done
And were you helping out in this workload or at least offering to?
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[23:08:26] <SkyHead> Insomnia has been a sinking ship for some time now
Wonderful attitude for a leader - admitting theres a problem and not making an effort to fix it
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[23:10:09] <SkyHead> ND is 1ups backforce, believe it or not but this may also be done in unawareness of ND hc
[23:10:17] <SkyHead> They have a squad called DLR
[23:10:25] <SkyHead> Of about 10-15 planets
[23:10:31] <SkyHead> Cat CR team
Evidence before Propeganda. If you have proof this is going on, show it to your members
They arent imbocieles, they can think for themselves
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[23:12:41] <SkyHead> Now as a result of the latest events in Insomnia
[23:12:46] <SkyHead> And what is really going on
[23:12:52] <SkyHead> Not what is going on in Jonas\Bee's eyes
[23:12:59] <SkyHead> As they are to blind to see this is a falling ship
Again, see earlier points about personal grudge
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[23:13:28] <SkyHead> Aswell as DC's cba to DC
[23:13:34] <SkyHead> Because there simply are to fwe people online
At last getting to the root cause of it, but not before having yet another go at the DCs
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[23:15:53] <SkyHead> It is very dependent what Insomnia decides to do
[23:16:06] <SkyHead> I am in control of their relay system
[23:16:15] <SkyHead> I am responsible for their arbi access
[23:16:21] <SkyHead> Now if they wanna be bitches
[23:16:27] <SkyHead> We can be bitches to
Threats dont usually help matters. a rather silly thing to mention imo and REEKS of immaturity. the proverbial rattle being thrown from the pram

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[23:32:47] <SkyHead> That is pretty much up to me
[23:32:52] <SkyHead> NO more slacking from my side
[23:33:03] <SkyHead> I appologize for last few weeks
Here you tell them that its not just the DC's fault, and Jonas's. but yours as well.
Good choice to apologise for it imo to
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[23:34:34] <SkyHead> I was promised a say
[23:34:44] <SkyHead> But politics here is driven by Jonas ego
Another rather cheap dig
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[23:34:56] <SkyHead> There was target picking
[23:35:00] <SkyHead> And Hydra had claimed a gal
[23:35:05] <SkyHead> Ins wanted it
[23:35:10] <SkyHead> But Hydra refused to step down
[23:35:23] <SkyHead> So Ins declared war on Hydra
and of course there were no other reasons for going to war?

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To all members of dS. Now I know you follow SkyHead etc, but please understand that what he says is not necessarily correct... The lies he put u through during the dS meeting were simply more than which imo you should take. I dont expect you to do anything drastic about it, I just feel I need to answer for myself, as SkyHead really puts Insomnia, Insomnia HC and myself in a bad position...
A reasonable start. Telling them that he isnt going to force the choice on them and to make up their own minds.

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SkyHead said politics were run by me, altho the HC all decided on a politics plan in which he thought was perfect himself. The only move he didnt like was the attacking Hydra move(which infact I wasnt even responsible for) and it was not because they picked one of our targets, it was because they attacked us alot when 1up kept hitting us. How he managed to pull my ego into this I barely can imagine lol. I probably gave him orders(ouch!)
Revealing some facts SkyHead neglected to mention while on the crusade vs Jonas.

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Secondly, the activity wasnt decreasing. It was infact increasing. Thoose of you who were around a decent amount of time(which should be most of you) will know this.
Something which should be left to the members to judge for themselves imo

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The way SkyHead has a go at the DC team is ridicilous. Yes there was indeed a DC that let a few defcalls go through. He was kicked from the alliance.
If he was kicked then the question must be asked why Skyhead is pushing this point across and blaming Jonas / DCs for it. The person in question isnt there anymore

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Did you know that SkyHead once covered his own incommings and let Bee and Fink(Caut) get roided? Guess not. They all had the same incommings at the same eta(1up CR bg iirc)...
No, I didnt, and it calls into question the priorities of SkyHead but, this is your own bit of propeganda and members should take note of that

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The rest of the DCs worked as hard as they could, and even tho there might have been 20 uncovered calls, dont forget that there were alot more covered ones.
ie Doing the best with the resources available

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Yes it is true that HC activity went down a bit for one week. It was because of work, I told SkyHead I had alot of work, and he said it was ok. He had alot of time anyway
Good call to point out the reasons why you werent about as much but if SkyHead had the free time like you claim he told you, why was his own activity down?

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The other HCs took my share of the work, AND more people was appointed.
Countering SkyHeads point about jonas, and not doing enough to share the workload while undermining a rather critical point of SkyHeads rant :- that it was ego based.

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As I said before, dS did not supply the promised amount(the amount SKyHead promised) of scanners/DCs themselves, so why he has a go at our DCs/Scanners(and the few of dS that did a great job) is beyond me.
Here, i dont agree with what you said. Remember who this letter is to. Blaming the very people you're trying to convince doesnt usually go down well but do you do recover by mentioning a few of dS did/do a great job in their roles

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So. Please dont blame me for SkyHead wanting to leave. He knew what he got when he came, we did well, infact we only lost roids 2-3 nights. Politics were just correct for our cause. Sadly, SkyHead only wanted to kill 1up.
Was that his only goal, or a primary goal?
Surely the alliance comes before desire to hurt others / massaging ego
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Re: dS and Reunion

hahahahahaha

SkyHead, the new Yeh ! Clown of PA \o/


Clearly he's jealous of NewDawn. His group obviously isn't as good as us.

Come on dS & Reunion, still got 3 open spots left. I'm sure you can recruit your way to nr 1 !!
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What Im trying to understand beyond all the he said she said crap is, how can they continue to be anti 1up if they join reunion who are napped to 1up?
It was obvious from what SkyHead said that he thinks that he'll be top dog in reunion, he is expecting to be running the show and controlling it. I very much doubt reunion will stand for that though if that's what he tries.
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The funniest thing about that log though isn't in the log, it's when you've read the log and look at Sandmans and see that either SkyHead has multis or at least 14 people are retarded enough to have read what he said and agreed with him.

Having faith in him after reading that would require LOTS of alcohol and illegal substances.
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Come on dS & Reunion, still got 3 open spots left. I'm sure you can recruit your way to nr 1 !!

Hehe i believe there already filled.

Superb post Phil, very well structured.
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It was obvious from what SkyHead said that he thinks that he'll be top dog in reunion, he is expecting to be running the show and controlling it. I very much doubt reunion will stand for that though if that's what he tries.
If he is correct it will definitely make a mockery of the entire Reunion command. He has publicly stated that he has the ability and power to run over Reunion HC (more or less). Time will tell if he is correct, though his intention was obvious from the time it was clear they were going to join reunion.
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Whatever we may think about Skyhead, most will have to realize that his bg is one of the best ones out there at attacking. Combined with the active hydra they are a really good attacking machine i would say.
Skyheads move has put them in an equal or better position to fight for top alliance than they had in Insomnia. I would not call that bad politics, at least not yet. Plus, the real job is now ahead of them and now their round depends on what politic agreements Reunion can close with the other top4 alliances.
I really look forward to see sandmans stats tomorrow.
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Skyheads move has put them in an equal or better position to fight for top alliance than they had in Insomnia. I would not call that bad politics, at least not yet.
Remember NOS last round, and how they pissed people off.

What might appear to be a fairly shrewd move can backfire if it's an 'unorthodox' move. Political actions that cause controversy can only be judged through the eyes of hindsight.
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Actually, with the cards on the table now, it will all be about politics from now on.
Who will win this round? Could be anyone in the top 4. I like this
believe me Gio2k, it has been already the full round all about politics.
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Come on dS & Reunion, still got 3 open spots left. I'm sure you can recruit your way to nr 1 !!
stupid post, im quite sure you recruited too and you blame us for recruiting ? stupidity.
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I dont believe they recruited quite as many as you though heh, considering you've taken in a BG, and the most part of an alliance....
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since when its allowed to publish IRC logs here?

and on a sidenote... I'm pretty sure Sid and 1up wont tolerate such a behavior ... I cannot see how they can remain NAP with Reunion honnestly.

All in all, looks like a very interesting round
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I dont believe they recruited quite as many as you though heh, considering you've taken in a BG, and the most part of an alliance....

we recruited 40 and they 20 ? or how many ? so this is "you recruited more than us and taht makes you worse !" ???


whats wrong with recruiting ? still a long time to go....
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and on a sidenote... I'm pretty sure Sid and 1up wont tolerate such a behavior ... I cannot see how they can remain NAP with Reunion honnestly.
1up doesn't break agreements without good reason. Good reason would largely have to involve something causing detriment to 1up.
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since when its allowed to publish IRC logs here?

and on a sidenote... I'm pretty sure Sid and 1up wont tolerate such a behavior ... I cannot see how they can remain NAP with Reunion honnestly.

All in all, looks like a very interesting round
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Whatever we may think about Skyhead, most will have to realize that his bg is one of the best ones out there at attacking. Combined with the active hydra they are a really good attacking machine i would say.
Skyheads move has put them in an equal or better position to fight for top alliance than they had in Insomnia. I would not call that bad politics, at least not yet. Plus, the real job is now ahead of them and now their round depends on what politic agreements Reunion can close with the other top4 alliances.
I really look forward to see sandmans stats tomorrow.
Let's not forget that Reunion has already lost one war this round. (Atleast one that I know of.) So not really sure if Reunion is such a good choice



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stupid post, im quite sure you recruited too and you blame us for recruiting ? stupidity.
Yeah, we've recruited some. Had no influence on our ranking though. We were solid at the top and still are. Reunion however fell completely down the ladder after the lost war (against NewDawn). And this recruitment policy puts them almost in the #1 spot. It's just too obvious you're recruiting to get at the top of the rankings.
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what i wonder tho...is if reunion make #1 how many nights of sutained incs will reunion take before they crack and start droppign members....

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I dont believe they recruited quite as many as you though heh, considering you've taken in a BG, and the most part of an alliance....
2 battle groups and an alliance if im not mistaken (subh/hydra/dS). whilst taking in BG in itself is not wrong (expecially). Collecting them in this manner in a poorly disguised bid for #1 aint gonna make you popular, eventually i put faith in the fact the BGs will turn on you when def runs short or they dont get their way too. (karma or something i beleive )

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what i wonder tho...is if reunion make #1 how many nights of sutained incs will reunion take before they crack and start droppign members....
havnt they cracked once this round already from one night of sustained incs ??
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Re: dS and Reunion

imo, its only a matter of time before Reunion will get bashed. They didnt make much friends recently

if 1up breaks the nap (which would be more than understandable) Reunion is dead meat...
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Unread 25 Aug 2005, 23:48   #47
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heh atleast Skyhead thinks for himself, I gues thats worth something. (this isnt sarcastic)
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Re: dS and Reunion

Skyhead grow some balls.
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Re: dS and Reunion

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Let's not forget that Reunion has already lost one war this round. (Atleast one that I know of.) So not really sure if Reunion is such a good choice
didnt know that Reunion lost or even was part of any 'wars' this round so far !? maybe u can enlighten me plz
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Re: dS and Reunion

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That whole text stinks of a personal grudge to me, a thinly veiled attempt to manipulate the feelings of the members and turn them against Jonas in order to satisfy it. If the members have any sense they will listen to BOTH Skyhead and Jonas, and make their own minds up based on their own facts, and not someone elses.

Since im bored ive went through it line by line picking out some key parts to analyse
These are the parts i found interesting but for goodness sake, go through both sides yourselves and decide for yourselves. dont just follow the crowd or accept things in blind faith - including the comments i make

Note how Skyhead is setting up the impression that politics has been a major factor in the demise of Insomnia - before mentioning that HC activity is also a factor. Competant leaders are more important then politics since the leaders DETERMINE the politics
Again, Mentioning DC before HC. Setting the groundwork for a full on flame vs Jonas
Once again blaming DCs for the lack of defence, ignoring the point he made above that there are less members to get defence FROM
You can only work with the tools you are given in such a role - if the tools arent there ( ie fleets ), then there is sod all you can do
Yet again, pointing the finger of blame at the DCs rather then the HCs and the lack of leadership
Blaming Jonas here for a lack of Organisation. Correct me if im wrong but arent you a leader too SkyHead?
Isnt it your job to organise as well. why didnt you do it?
And were you helping out in this workload or at least offering to?
Wonderful attitude for a leader - admitting theres a problem and not making an effort to fix it

Evidence before Propeganda. If you have proof this is going on, show it to your members
They arent imbocieles, they can think for themselves

Again, see earlier points about personal grudge

At last getting to the root cause of it, but not before having yet another go at the DCs

Threats dont usually help matters. a rather silly thing to mention imo and REEKS of immaturity. the proverbial rattle being thrown from the pram


Here you tell them that its not just the DC's fault, and Jonas's. but yours as well.
Good choice to apologise for it imo to

Another rather cheap dig
and of course there were no other reasons for going to war?

Now, for the reply :


A reasonable start. Telling them that he isnt going to force the choice on them and to make up their own minds.



Revealing some facts SkyHead neglected to mention while on the crusade vs Jonas.



Something which should be left to the members to judge for themselves imo



If he was kicked then the question must be asked why Skyhead is pushing this point across and blaming Jonas / DCs for it. The person in question isnt there anymore



No, I didnt, and it calls into question the priorities of SkyHead but, this is your own bit of propeganda and members should take note of that



ie Doing the best with the resources available



Good call to point out the reasons why you werent about as much but if SkyHead had the free time like you claim he told you, why was his own activity down?



Countering SkyHeads point about jonas, and not doing enough to share the workload while undermining a rather critical point of SkyHeads rant :- that it was ego based.



Here, i dont agree with what you said. Remember who this letter is to. Blaming the very people you're trying to convince doesnt usually go down well but do you do recover by mentioning a few of dS did/do a great job in their roles



Was that his only goal, or a primary goal?
Surely the alliance comes before desire to hurt others / massaging ego


You, erm, make it sound like he planned it all, Phil^. Imo he spewed it out BEFORE thinking about it.
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