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Unread 9 May 2004, 15:24   #1
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AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004



Ajax are ok in my book. Last european team to beat us, after all, cant be bad
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You could end up losing Van Gaal to Chelsea. If that happens i wouldnt be surprised if he takes Van der Vaart with him, not that Chelsea really need him.
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

According to the general manager Arie van Eijden, the rumours about Van Gaal going to Chelsea are nonsense.

And Van der Vaart will likely only move to Spain.
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

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According to the general manager Arie van Eijden, the rumours about Van Gaal going to Chelsea are nonsense.
Yeah, but David Beckham will never go to Real Madrid.

Never.

Never.

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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

The dutch don't lie as much.

Is there a prettier sight?
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Yes.
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and twente will win the cup
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

Bayern Munich are after that Van Der Vaart, Hitzfeld has watched him a few times i think. Valencia winning la liga is a more impressive achievement in my book
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

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ahhahahahaa as if.


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Nice Photoshoppery

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95 and its a real photo.
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004



Congratulations to you Leshy.

Next year won't be as easy.
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Congratulations to you Leshy.

Next year won't be as easy.
Without van Bommel, kezman and robben PSV will be a walkover next season

That is ofc when someone is willing to pay 6M for van Bommel

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edit: And ofc PSV will have to miss Ronald KOEMAN (damned what a stupid stadium speaker )
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

Guess what??? Arsenal are champions and still undefeated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1*





I'm attention-seeking and Arsenal deserves to be mentioned.
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

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Without van Bommel, kezman and robben PSV will be a walkover next season

That is ofc when someone is willing to pay 6M for van Bommel

AJAX

edit: And ofc PSV will have to miss Ronald KOEMAN (damned what a stupid stadium speaker )

The both of us ofcourse don't know what next seasons teams will look like as it is very well possible that Ajax too will lose some prolific players in the coming months. I'd like to see them find immediate and adequate replacements for van der Vaart, Maxwell, Trabelsi and Ibrahimovic. (not very likely)
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Agreed. Though if such players leave, Ajax will get shitloads of money for them (Trabelsi maybe not, depends on KNVB). Kezman will bring some money to the shelves too, but PSV only gets like 50% of the transfersum O believe, due their transfer system.

Anyways at this moment all we can do is wait and hope...
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van bommel is going to schalke.
waterreus leaving, robben leaving, kezman leaving, faber quitting.

will be hard for PSV to reach top3 next season.
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ajax is champion of poverty
they played terrible soccer this season
they only won because the rest played worse.
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The both of us ofcourse don't know what next seasons teams will look like as it is very well possible that Ajax too will lose some prolific players in the coming months. I'd like to see them find immediate and adequate replacements for van der Vaart, Maxwell, Trabelsi and Ibrahimovic. (not very likely)
Van der Vaart's position can be covered by Pienaar, or Sneijder. Maxwell will be a great loss, although we do have O'Brien and Van Damme who can play there. Trabelsi has already been replaced by Grygera and De Jong. Zlatan will be a loss as well, although Sonck has proven to be a reliable striker when he's actually played in center - additionally, Ryan Babel could be quite the revelation.

But not all of them will leave. Recent rumours seem to be suggesting that a good portion of the team will remain intact for another year.
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they only won because the rest played worse.
Ajax - Feyenoord 2-0
Feyenoord - Ajax 1-1
PSV - Ajax 2-2
Ajax - PSV 2-1
AZ - Ajax 1-1
Ajax - AZ 3-2

All the important competition was squashed, and two of those 1-1 draws were lucky last-minute equalisers for AZ and Feyenoord. Ajax won all of their home matches this season, except for a single draw. And if it hadn't been for PSV slacking off so badly, Ajax wouldn't have settled for a few draws in the last matches.
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The fact that you call AZ "important competition" says it all.
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The fact that you call AZ "important competition" says it all.
Considering they have been 3rd for a good portion of the competition, have transformed from a minor team to a deadly subtop team capable of defeating both PSV and Feyenoord under Adriaanse (hands down the best dutch trainer) in a single season, and are widely accredited to be the revelation of the season with attractive and daring football, I'd say not mentioning them would be highly unfair.
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

then why not mention Heereveen? They are currently 4th and AZ are 5th.
Normaly the top 3 clubs are domination the competition. The fact that the best football is now played by AZ really says more about the "top 3" then about AZ.
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then why not mention Heereveen? They are currently 4th and AZ are 5th.
Heerenveen has hardly played a role of importance. They've steadily worked their way up and profited from AZ making slipups, whereas AZ has been in the top all season, only falling down in the latter part of the season. Heerenveen has never been any competition to any of the top 3 teams.
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If AZ played the best football, they'd have been the champions. They play the most attractive football - and that is largely due to their fantastic coach, not their ranking. You can be last in the league and still have played the most attractive football. The effectiveness has obviously been less.

Simple fact of the matter is that Ajax beat all three of their closest competitors and finished the season with more points than either PSV or Feyenoord. Was it a spectacular season? No. Was last year a spectacular season? No. Was the year before? No. Ajax simply won the domestic title convincingly - the "champion of poverty" line is merely a soundbite hastily adopted by PSV and Feyenoord-fans alike to discredit a team that has beaten them fair and square.
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Re: AFC Ajax - Champion 2003/2004

I do not argue that Ajax beated their opponents fair en square. (but they were very lucky and the refery is always on their side).
I mean that the quality of all dutch teams is very low this season. So it's not very difficult to become champion. Feyenoord would have been champion if they did not sell their 4 best players at the begin of the season. And PSV would have been champion if they didn't have so many injured players. "Lucky Ajax" only won because their opponents had a very bad season.
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I do not argue that Ajax beated their opponents fair en square. (but they were very lucky and the refery is always on their side).
I mean that the quality of all dutch teams is very low this season. So it's not very difficult to become champion. Feyenoord would have been champion if they did not sell their 4 best players at the begin of the season. And PSV would have been champion if they didn't have so many injured players. "Lucky Ajax" only won because their opponents had a very bad season.
I beg the differ. Both PSV and Feyenoord had lucky matches (don't make me look them up, no time for that). And Ajax had no injured players? Pienaar, Lobont, vd Vaart, Litmanen, Trabelsi, Ibrahimovich, Sonk, O'Brien etc all have been injured for at least a few weeks each, and these are just the most well-known players, sickbay contained a dozen injured players at times..... Ajax has a selection with more good players than PSV, so they could replace the injured players better. Can't blame them for that.
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(but they were very lucky and the refery is always on their side).
Of course. All of the dutch referees are card carrying members and stock holders of AFC Ajax.
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Feyenoord would have been champion if they did not sell their 4 best players at the begin of the season.
Like they were last year? Oh wait, they weren't. The year before? Hm, no, neither then. The year before that then? Miss again. Not even in the season they won the UEFA Cup, they managed to lift the domestic title, and neither would they have done so this year.
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And PSV would have been champion if they didn't have so many injured players.
As Martok already said, Ajax has had far more players injured than PSV, up to the point where we had pretty much our entire first squad injured - we even bought Anastasiou mid-season to reinforce things up front. Fortunately for Ajax, we have a broad selection with many talented youngsters.

That has nothing to do with luck, however.
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champions of poverty.

and i don't think they're called "lucky ajax" without a reason...

anyway, they were the best team this year. so congrats.
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champions of poverty.
Does that make your beloved Twente "average paupers"?
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Obviously they're somewhere in the anonymous center of a list which is really very poor, in your own words.
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KoeN giving us a bad name...
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