Joker?

[Ohm]

Dragon HC today (talking about the "eta0 - bug") :



[10:41] <Jurgen> I saw that happening first time over a month ago


[10:41] <Jurgen> next time I saw it happening a couple weeks ago in xx:xx:9

[izverg]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Cheating happens in all alliances. Being on top just makes people wanna talk about Ely more. And guess what subjects are their favourite ones? :P

Originally Posted by Tomkat

The winning alliance always gets flamed. People don't like losing. It's just a fact of life.

If you're doing better than someone else, it must be because you cheat/escort/farm/get donated to. Obviously.

"Backstabbers" is the favourite troll retort for an alliance doing well, though.

I somehow find it amusing to hear this from the guys that
blamed same way LDK


double standarts?

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by izverg

I somehow find it amusing to hear this from the guys that
blamed same way LDK


double standarts?

I still think in percentage it occured more in LDK then other alliances.
But also all eyes are allways directed at the guys on top.

[izverg]

Originally Posted by Storebo

I still think in percentage it occured more in LDK then other alliances.
But also all eyes are allways directed at the guys on top.

and i still same way think you are moron, same way as you think about those who blame you :P


p.s
nthng personal

[Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Storebo

LOL...
Not very bright are we? Whomever used this bug, u are welcome to call cheaters. But are u implying that Elysium knew about this on a HC level?
Going by your logic u could assume that all other alliances then FAnG have used this bug, since they didn't report it.

Umm, he's actually defending accusations against Elysium as a whole.
What side are you on?

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Scorpio

Umm, he's actually defending accusations against Elysium as a whole.
What side are you on?

How good is your english?

"The fact that Elysium didn't report this bug and continued to use it to gain an unfair advantage when they were probably aware that an absolute minimal number of other players were even aware of it constitutes as cheating IMO.
"

In my opinion this place the guilt on Elysium command, and Elysium as an alliance.

[Kjeldoran]

This is hilarious. I mean come on guys, let's use COMMON sence for once ...

some pple abused a bug. It's REALLY SIMPLE. They gained advantage because of using that bug, which indirectly reflects on ALL the attacks on him, ship losses and stuff like that.

Howmuch pple like Xto and co try to wrap it in and try to make it look like not cheating, that plain bullshit really. Any decent player knows that using such benefits isn't the way to go.

So for once, stop standing up for the pple that abused these bugs. I don't really care what alliance they're in and I don't care if it has anything to do with moral etc.

NONE OF YOU can claim it's fair, that's a simple but objective statement. EVEN Ely HC will no doubt take actions against such obvious abusers, atleast that's what I and the community hope.

rgds Kj

[Storebo]

Can Pa crew guarantee that all offenders of this bug are dealt with?

Also heard that this bug was reported to pa crew as early as the beta. If so.. why wasn't anything done before now?

[Smurfeh]

Originally Posted by Jurgen

Well... the reason why elysium is in my teeths is that I saw 3 planets using the bug. All elysium... their rank2 and rank3 planet. The ones I ofc. follow the most. First thought it was a bug in scans or summit. Didn't understand what happened.
I can assure that none of Ðragons knew about the bug as how it worked etc. since I would have been informed about it.

However in this hc-pagroup meeting we had elysium hc opinion was like "Didn't every1 know about it? What's the big deal?"
comments.
I can get u logs later, must go to school now.
I just wonder if it was so well known by every1 how didn't me or Ðragons know it. (maybe we r just pathetic stupid players ;-))

And yes... I'm pissed to sum players (I'm sure not all of elysium knew it since it would have got leaked for sure) cause I put in shitloads of time into this game and my enemy get it's fleets home eta 0 (which I think is a quite benifit).

Was the meeting led by pa team coss iff it was y were only hc involved, i paid the same amount of money for my account, either the logs should be made public or the meeting should have been open. I h8 all this pa team behind closed doors crap. (iff it werent led by pa team then ignore this post).

[Shaithess]

Originally Posted by Storebo

How good is your english?

"The fact that Elysium didn't report this bug and continued to use it to gain an unfair advantage when they were probably aware that an absolute minimal number of other players were even aware of it constitutes as cheating IMO.
"

In my opinion this place the guilt on Elysium command, and Elysium as an alliance.

I actually completely phrased that bit wrong... 'However, I'm not calling Ely in general cheaters, as I don't have a clue about what goes around their HC, I would only call them cheaters should I see some genuine log of them'

There I was trying to defend against accusations made against Ely as a whole, which I was meaning to do throughout my post. Change the word 'Elysium' in that passage that you quoted to 'the players who abused this feature' and you get closer to what I MEANT to say.

Well, atleast I understand myself

[DukePaul]

Right, this is how I know the story: Yesterday Dragons managed to find proof of the bug, by trying to fleetcatch a top ely planet. Everything was going fine, the fleet would be cheesed (as creamed, but goes on for a longer time - oh wait, 1 tick battles), but suddenly the fleet was home, and the fleetcatch went crap.

I would believe Ely HC would keep a close eye on their top planets, and they should be aware of hte fleetcatch that was going on. So shouldn't htey also notice when hteir top planet gets his fleet home in no time? Therefore it seems likely to me that Ely HC was indeed aware of it. Ofc I could be wrong, but it jsut seems likely to me.

Also, I could have gotten the story entirely wrong If so ,enligthen me

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Quad

Right, this is how I know the story: Yesterday Dragons managed to find proof of the bug, by trying to fleetcatch a top ely planet. Everything was going fine, the fleet would be cheesed (as creamed, but goes on for a longer time - oh wait, 1 tick battles), but suddenly the fleet was home, and the fleetcatch went crap.

I would believe Ely HC would keep a close eye on their top planets, and they should be aware of hte fleetcatch that was going on. So shouldn't htey also notice when hteir top planet gets his fleet home in no time? Therefore it seems likely to me that Ely HC was indeed aware of it. Ofc I could be wrong, but it jsut seems likely to me.

Also, I could have gotten the story entirely wrong If so ,enligthen me

Dunno.. don't know the story either.. but FAnG spoke something about several players loosing their fleets and all... Was that people who where allready at that ely planet when this ely fleet suddenly went home in a high speed.

[-=Zyth=-]

On reflection, who, if anybody ,would not of abused this if they knew about it first... Not many is my guess.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by -=Zyth=-

On reflection, who, if anybody ,would not of abused this if they knew about it first... Not many is my guess.

Doubt I could keep away from the temptation myself if I'd loose my fleet otherwise.

[Xeno]

What Elysium HC must realize, and this is totally independent of whether or not they knew of the advantage that some of their members seemingly has had from the bug, is that it takes only one member to ruin your reputation. The PA community now has a golden opportunity to point its collective finger towards several of your members, and it will use this opportunity for whatever it's worth.

Elysium therefore faces first and foremost one question: How important is your reputation to you? Planetarion has witnessed alliances that takes very much pride in being as lawful as possible, as well as alliances who couldn't care less. The latter kind focuses on winning only, and follows the old "victory at any cost" philosophy.

Now, normally you would want to have both. You want to win, as well as keeping a nice and clean reputation. In this case, however, you will have to choose, you simply can't have both. Which one will it be?

Someone has already mentioned Elysiums past in this thread, and stated their disappointement in what seems to be going on in Elysium today. This disappointement is founded in their current view on Elysium as an honourable alliance. Former allies are stepping forward and defending you, claiming you've always been very trustworthy and a perfect partner. What these past allies, or even former Elysium members, fail to see, is that this as of right now belongs to the past. The community no longer thinks as highly of Elysium as they did just a few days ago.

If Elysium HC decides to protect their black sheeps, they might end up with the winning planet of PAX. If they, for whatever reason, prefer to protect their reputation by kicking out the "cheaters", they will succeed. Not that this in any way is an easy choice, but that's in fact the options the HC is facing.


Xeno

[Tuhoajaz]

Originally Posted by rnd|One

If you are going to post private logs from a conversation from a bitter DaKing whom was denied into Elysium, you might atleast post them unedited and in context.

Session Start: Tue Oct 21 23:04:28 2003
Session Ident: DaKing-
[23:04] Session Ident: DaKing- ([email protected])
...
[23:13] <DaKing-> yes Kaitux
[23:13] <DaKing-> he won last round
[23:13] <[Ely]cheerios> really? ok.
[23:13] <DaKing-> yes
[23:13] <DaKing-> cheating
[23:13] <DaKing-> in LDK
[23:13] <DaKing-> bitches
[23:13] <[Ely]cheerios> how else? ;p
[23:13] <DaKing-> true
[23:13] <DaKing-> all winners cheat
[23:13] <DaKing-> nothing else to say
[23:13] <DaKing-> there is too much cheating around
[23:13] <[Ely]cheerios> hmm. but if Elysium wins this round, that'd be the exception.
[23:13] <DaKing-> also this round
[23:14] <DaKing-> lol
[23:14] <DaKing-> cheerios
[23:14] <DaKing-> ely cheat too
[23:14] <[Ely]cheerios> we're as pure as young virgins on some distant innocent land
[23:15] <DaKing-> hehe
[23:15] <DaKing-> all alliances has cheaters
[23:15] <DaKing-> and u know so
[23:15] <DaKing-> ppl providing their logins to gal members
[23:15] <DaKing-> etc.
[23:15] <[Ely]cheerios> maybe 1 here, 50 with fang
[23:15] <DaKing-> can be
[23:15] <[Ely]cheerios> fang is famous for gettin' closed down end of round
[23:15] <DaKing-> but I think it is more than u prolly know
[23:16] <DaKing-> for example I got 3 Dragons closed some days ago
...
Session Time: Wed Oct 22 00:00:00 2003
Session Close: Wed Oct 22 01:22:12 2003

I can't find the context any different, except that it now paints DaKing- a bit blackish as well, which to be honest, is irrelevant considering the "real" context I was trying to find.

Be it as it may, if those lines I pasted were said out of "humour", then I apologise, but nothing said in that longer dialog makes them ANY less serious.

Extremely surprised to have received so little flame, - Tuhoaja
(even though I deliberately misdirected it from hittin liz )

[mens]

haha, and I thought elysium sucked before. Why don't you have better planets when you're using this bug?

the only big planet you've got has a nap with FD. That says something.

Imo, you have the quantity, but not the quality. With a few exceptions ofc (hi Krush btw )

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by mens

haha, and I thought elysium sucked before. Why don't you have better planets when you're using this bug?

the only big planet you've got has a nap with FD. That says something.

Imo, you have the quantity, but not the quality. With a few exceptions ofc (hi Krush btw )

Most where clueless about this bug.. And this is not just a Elysium secret tho. And what does it say about quality if our score is evenly distributed over about 100 members instead of 10 good and rest sucky?

[Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Storebo

How good is your english?

"The fact that Elysium didn't report this bug and continued to use it to gain an unfair advantage when they were probably aware that an absolute minimal number of other players were even aware of it constitutes as cheating IMO.
"

In my opinion this place the guilt on Elysium command, and Elysium as an alliance.

1. "IF"
2. "However, I'm not calling Ely in general cheaters, as I don't have a clue about what goes around their HC, I would only call them cheaters should I see some genuine log of them going, for instance:"

Aside from that, there were several Ely's using that bug

-edit-
nvm, he already explained it himself

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Scorpio

1. "IF"
2. "However, I'm not calling Ely in general cheaters, as I don't have a clue about what goes around their HC, I would only call them cheaters should I see some genuine log of them going, for instance:"

Aside from that, there were several Ely's using that bug

Is Ely the only ally with members that have used that bug?

[Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Dunno.. don't know the story either.. but FAnG spoke something about several players loosing their fleets and all... Was that people who where allready at that ely planet when this ely fleet suddenly went home in a high speed.

Walken was attacking Rammstein with his stalwarts etc, so FAnG launched an attack against Walken. Not huge, but enough to take some of his roids and damage some structures
Unexpectedly his fleet arrived home when FAnG landed. Whereas a tick before his fleet was at Rammstein's planet.

That's what I've been told, I wasn't around when it happened.

[Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Is Ely the only ally with members that have used that bug?

I do not know. I only heard about the bug yesterday.
I don't really care either. As long as all of those bug-abusers get penalized.

[Norseman]

Originally Posted by mens

Imo, you have the quantity, but not the quality. With a few exceptions ofc (hi Krush btw )

Dunno what you know about soccer, but why and how did Juventus manage to beat Real Madrid in the semi-final in CL last year?

[Guran]

Originally Posted by mens

haha, and I thought elysium sucked before. Why don't you have better planets when you're using this bug?

the only big planet you've got has a nap with FD. That says something.

Imo, you have the quantity, but not the quality. With a few exceptions ofc (hi Krush btw )

Hi mens.

You are missinformed. Elysium have less members than i.e. FAnG, Dragons and Eclipse so you can't say Elysium have the quantity but not quality.

[Mikee]

Originally Posted by Maddix

No winning alliance can ever claim to be clean. As far as their HC are aware they maybe clean but even they must admit that there is very likely to be at least one member within their ranks cheating and without knowing who/what they are doing you can't know who/what they have affected.

If you really want to guage it trying looking at which alliance cheats less

lol well ur gonna love this one then.

<Walken|WorK> I told them about it every time I used it.

Ely HCs knew about the BUG ? NEVER

[TardSociety]

I'm not even going to try and make a point on the forums, due to the fact its impossible to have a sensible discussion on them thanks to the childish abuse thrown back and forth between.

If anyone wants to know why getting upset over this issue is retarded, and blameing ely is completely naieve please feel free to contact Snowie on irc.

Btw all who attended the HC conf with Mr Brick should be ashamed of the selves for the state of that meeting, nothing constructive was achived, and a sensible discssion was made impossible by ppl who are meant to be figure heads of our community, these people know who they are and should be apologising for with the attitude shown no wonder this game is dying.


not that i'll ever leave, its a game fs, a GAME.

[Mikee]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Leff just says that cause the bug will be gone now, and there will be a rollback aswell. And for most people this bug was unknown. And they wheren't looking for it. FAnG was looking for it and found it.
I say either they manage to find everyone who have used it. Or they just forget about it.

btw... how about a rollback to tick 72? Who knows how long this bug have been used :P
Just spread the planets around a bit.

storebo u stupid tit there aint no rollback brick will simply edit the involved planets ship/score/value/roids manually

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Mikee

lol well ur gonna love this one then.

<Walken|WorK> I told them about it every time I used it.

Ely HCs knew about the BUG ? NEVER

Could u show me more then just that line, so we know it isn't just about Walken telling his parents every time he use their car.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Mikee

storebo u stupid tit there aint no rollback brick will simply edit the involved planets ship/score/value/roids manually

Mikee u retarded ****head, someone said some stuff about rollback, this was explained long up the thread. You're just a retarded inbreed idiot who can't resist a chance to call someone stupid. Go and play with "yourself" and leave theese boards to people who can reply without your kind of crap.

[Sun_Tzu]

I don't care wether Elysium HC knew about this. I don't care who knew about this. I don't care wether it was abused by hundreds or only a few. That's not the point.

A bug is per definition an exploit, an un-intended feature, something which isn't ment to be part of the game. Any decent player who loves the game would report it as soon as he realised something was wrong, even if he didn't know what he'd have done, he'd tell the creators and try to re-produce it so as to remove this un-intended exploit from the game. Just because the game ment that much to him. Anyone that exploits bugs should, i my (never really)humble opinion, be taken out back and shot. They do not wish what's best for the game so why keep them around? No game needs players like that, my own personal response would be to delete their accounts, ban their ip and hostmask, delete their p-nick and ban their ip and hostmask from netgamers irc servers for ever more. No decent player with a true love for the game should want to have anything to do with this type of people anyways so none of the players that the creators should be prioritising will have lost anything at all.

Anyone who defends a bug-exploiter, no mather on what alliances memberlist they may be located, has no morals, no spine and ulimately I could do very nicely without them in this game.

ps. Same attitude applies to anyone who knew about it and did not work towards the bug and the exploiters being removed from the game. No mather who they might be.

[ComradeRob]

Originally Posted by Rumad

As for Ely HC knowing about this I would say they would have to know - I never even tried to deny it round 7 when I let KM into FAnG and I have to be honest and say that unless they have no operational contact (if thats the case why are they hc?) they must have had some incling.

I can't say for sure that they didn't know, but I doubt it. I don't think I would know if someone in Eclipse was exploiting a bug like this, especially since I wasn't even aware that the bug existed until MrBrick told us all about it.

The BC's will definitely known if they knew they sent him on a attack and then got "magic defence".

Also doubtful. At most, they'll see that he claimed a target in an attack, and that he was under attack himself. He could very easily lie to the BCs about where his fleets are, and they would have absolutely no reason to question that. Normally when running defence you have better things to do than wonder if members are lying about their fleets

[JonnyBGood]

Excuse me guys but exploiting a bug is not cheating. Nobody accused gerbie of cheating when his score was 40% higher than everyone else. If that had happened at the business end of the round when gerbie was a member of one of the alliances competing for #1 I dare say we might have seen a different reaction. Ely HC saying they didn't know of cheating is different to ely HC saying they didn't know about this bug.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Sun_Tzu

I don't care wether Elysium HC knew about this. I don't care who knew about this. I don't care wether it was abused by hundreds or only a few. That's not the point.

A bug is per definition an exploit, an un-intended feature, something which isn't ment to be part of the game. Any decent player who loves the game would report it as soon as he realised something was wrong, even if he didn't know what he'd have done, he'd tell the creators and try to re-produce it so as to remove this un-intended exploit from the game. Just because the game ment that much to him. Anyone that exploits bugs should, i my (never really)humble opinion, be taken out back and shot. They do not wish what's best for the game so why keep them around? No game needs players like that, my own personal response would be to delete their accounts, ban their ip and hostmask, delete their p-nick and ban their ip and hostmask from netgamers irc servers for ever more. No decent player with a true love for the game should want to have anything to do with this type of people anyways so none of the players that the creators should be prioritising will have lost anything at all.

Anyone who defends a bug-exploiter, no mather on what alliances memberlist they may be located, has no morals, no spine and ulimately I could do very nicely without them in this game.

ps. Same attitude applies to anyone who knew about it and did not work towards the bug and the exploiters being removed from the game. No mather who they might be.

Walken says he told Mr.Brick about it a while ago.
And morals? Have u not learned anything from Jesus? How many times should u forgive your brother? 70 times =)

[Sun_Tzu]

I'm not Jesus, neither do I belive in him. Not that my religious belifs were the question at hand.

If he reported the bug as soon as he found out the question remains why did he(not very well informed so am assuming he's the one who was targeted by the fleetcatch) continue to abuse the bug? Why did he not demand creators stopped the ticker and fixed it right away? Why not inform the community that there was an exploit out there and that if they seen anyhing that looked like it to get all the info possible to the creators?

If you first abuse the bug for a month, then report it you are, none the less, an abuser of a fault in the game and you are morally wrong, ultimately a cheater in my eyes.

JohnnyBGood; your morals are seriously ****ed up.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Sun_Tzu

I'm not Jesus, neither do I belive in him. Not that my religious belifs were the question at hand.

If he reported the bug as soon as he found out the question remains why did he(not very well informed so am assuming he's the one who was targeted by the fleetcatch) continue to abuse the bug? Why did he not demand creators stopped the ticker and fixed it right away? Why not inform the community that there was an exploit out there and that if they seen anyhing that looked like it to get all the info possible to the creators?

If you first abuse the bug for a month, then report it you are, none the less, an abuser of a fault in the game and you are morally wrong, ultimately a cheater in my eyes.

JohnnyBGood; your morals are seriously ****ed up.

I agree with Sun_Tzu. Pple abusing bugs or cheating won't find a single bit of respect from me. Those pple should be banned, including pple supporting it or trying to talk it right.

I'd be amazingly dissapointed if PA-crew doesn't delete them, infact that's the LEAST they should do imo. If he was an alliancem8 I'd demand the same.

I got no respect for such pple ...

rgds Kj

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Sun_Tzu

JohnnyBGood; your morals are seriously ****ed up.

1) This isn't real life, it's a game
2) It's a question of legality not morality (eg adultery is not looked upon as a moral act in society but you don't get put in prison for adultery).
3) I suppose I better go back in PA history and prevent any alliances changing situation once they initially allied. I'm sure PA would have been a fantastic game if WTFVE had all stayed together for the whole of r5 or FoS and Xeta had stayed allied until the end of r6. The fact that people don't treat this like real life is the part of the game that makes it interesting politically (and let's face it, most of us didn't sign up for the great graphics).

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Sun_Tzu

I'm not Jesus, neither do I belive in him. Not that my religious belifs were the question at hand.

If he reported the bug as soon as he found out the question remains why did he(not very well informed so am assuming he's the one who was targeted by the fleetcatch) continue to abuse the bug? Why did he not demand creators stopped the ticker and fixed it right away? Why not inform the community that there was an exploit out there and that if they seen anyhing that looked like it to get all the info possible to the creators?

If you first abuse the bug for a month, then report it you are, none the less, an abuser of a fault in the game and you are morally wrong, ultimately a cheater in my eyes.

JohnnyBGood; your morals are seriously ****ed up.

He did tell Mr. Brick about it. I have no Idea why they didn't wanna fix it. Maybe they where lazy and just didn't care until fleets where lost due to this, and there was lots of angry people and it leaked to the public. It seems pacrew where fine with this while just a few knew about it. It is said to have been reported as early as in the beta.

If u report a bug, and pacrew choose not to fix it. It is easily to consider that bug as not a very serious crime to use. Also aslong as your enemy use this bug, and u keep useing it until it was fixed, after all u have told em about it. And why let the enemy use a unfair advantage and not use it yourself?

Some also say Walken used it this time as a protest, to finally make things happen. Dunno his real motives tho.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I agree with Sun_Tzu. Pple abusing bugs or cheating won't find a single bit of respect from me. Those pple should be banned, including pple supporting it or trying to talk it right.

I'd be amazingly dissapointed if PA-crew doesn't delete them, infact that's the LEAST they should do imo. If he was an alliancem8 I'd demand the same.

I got no respect for such pple ...

rgds Kj

Every case should be dealt with individualy. Not everyone involved in such matters is Hitler reincarnated.

[berten]

Originally Posted by Guran

Hi mens.

You are missinformed. Elysium have less members than i.e. FAnG, Dragons and Eclipse so you can't say Elysium have the quantity but not quality.

get a sense biatch

lo guran btw ;-) wub u hun

[Eventh]

Originally Posted by Smurfeh

Was the meeting led by pa team coss iff it was y were only hc involved, i paid the same amount of money for my account, either the logs should be made public or the meeting should have been open. I h8 all this pa team behind closed doors crap. (iff it werent led by pa team then ignore this post).

It was a meeting with MrBrick i think, so it was held by pateam.. i also want to see the logs, is there any reasons to keep them a secret??

[AzureWrath]

Originally Posted by Eventh

It was a meeting with MrBrick i think, so it was held by pateam.. i also want to see the logs, is there any reasons to keep them a secret??

looks like it was held by MrBrick, with pateam and alliance HCs (the yapping 5 yr olds in the log) involved. Need to read it again.

[mens]

Originally Posted by Guran

Hi mens.

You are missinformed. Elysium have less members than i.e. FAnG, Dragons and Eclipse

hi Guran matey.
why have I just read a list of 150 ely coords then?
I don't think our intel can be that bad.

[AzureWrath]

Originally Posted by mens

hi Guran matey.
why have I just read a list of 150 ely coords then?
I don't think our intel can be that bad.

has to be..unless there are alot of planets the HC dont know about

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by mens

hi Guran matey.
why have I just read a list of 150 ely coords then?
I don't think our intel can be that bad.

Lol.. I think your Intel HC should be demoted.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by AzureWrath

has to be..unless there are alot of planets the HC dont know about

We are doing pretty good considering 1/3 of our ally don't bother signing up in the ingame ally.

[mens]

if you are 50 members your average roidsize is 3k a planet?
you make me laugh.

[Guran]

Originally Posted by mens

hi Guran matey.
why have I just read a list of 150 ely coords then?
I don't think our intel can be that bad.

I wouldn't lie to you. Elysium doesn't have even close to 150 members.

[mens]

Originally Posted by Storebo

We are doing pretty good considering 1/3 of our ally don't bother signing up in the ingame ally.

I'm sorry I misread taht bit....

[xtothez]

Originally Posted by mens

hi Guran matey.
why have I just read a list of 150 ely coords then?
I don't think our intel can be that bad.

Exactly the same reasons we have 145 Fang co-ords and 135 Dragons ones.

• Exiles
• New Recruits
• People leaving alliance
• People leaving PA
• Closed/Deleted planets

It's surprisingly difficult to keep track of these events for every single alliance and expect to be entirely accurate. Soon enough ghost co-ords start to appear. While I do think Fang have more members than us, I don't think its anywhere near the 145 entries we have for them.

[Shaithess]

Originally Posted by mens

why have I just read a list of 150 ely coords then?

Wow, you sure as hell have an interesting life to read that sort of crap

OK, I'll stfu now, every time I post I seem to make an ass of myself