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12 Nov 2003, 13:46
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Furious Angel
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: England
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by ComradeRob
Oh, the wit!
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wasnt trying to be funny nit"wit"
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12 Nov 2003, 14:09
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#102
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Condemned to RP
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,654
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Re: Who puts up with this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ComradeRob
Oh, the wit!
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point however, stands.
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12 Nov 2003, 15:21
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#103
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 90
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Mikee
care to make a statment about how an Eclipse HC lied and tricked his members into believing their FAnG gal m8 had them set up with incs, then watched as they "backstabbed" a certain member of their gal ? watch out gm and Jezz u could be next...............
altho not a very surprising situation since Eclipse are known as backstabbers hey maybe you should change ur alliance name to [BackStabbers]
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#1 I would make a statement if I actually understood what you were saying.
#2 Your childish humour isn't amusing anymore.
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12 Nov 2003, 15:22
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wasted
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Under the floorboards
Posts: 1,240
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by ParraCida
point however, stands.
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It's a subjective opinion. I could retort that he was kicked from Eclipse for spying, and thus isn't the best person to be talking about such things, but I don't honestly care about what his opinion is anyway. If he had something intelligent to say, I would listen, but he doesn't.
Since I'm in a good mood, I'll try to figure out what he is trying to say. It appears to be 'Eclipse screwed over a FAnG planet'. I was under the impression that this is what we are supposed to be doing, so why he feels that this is some major propaganda point is beyond me.
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12 Nov 2003, 15:52
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#105
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Furious Angel
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: England
Posts: 128
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by SystemShock
#1 I would make a statement if I actually understood what you were saying.
#2 Your childish humour isn't amusing anymore.
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since u dont seem to understand ENGLISH very well ill try again.... u try and blame dragons HC for telling Dragons members not to report Eclipse incomings YET Focht told Bazza and Sophie that i had our gal setup and i ORGANISED the raids on 3:6 (my former gal) and further more u told bazza and sophie to tell Eclipse when me and Slash were offline so u could launch freely
BASICALLY im saying ur alliance is very hypocrittical and furthermore i left Eclipse i was already rejoined in FAnG by the time Eclipse had realised maybe u should take ur heads out of ur own fkin ****es for a change and try admittin to the truth once in a while
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12 Nov 2003, 16:03
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#106
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wasted
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Under the floorboards
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Re: Who puts up with this?
On behalf of Eclipse, I wholeheartedly apologise for the fact that we have arranged attacks on FAnG planets. I do hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive us for our heinous crimes
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12 Nov 2003, 17:10
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#107
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 4,269
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by SystemShock
#1 I would make a statement if I actually understood what you were saying.
#2 Your childish humour isn't amusing anymore.
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odd, you dissaprove Mikee's behavior yet you tolerate and probably promote whatever YOUR fellow member posted. He's the one starting this thread, he's the one having no point and he's the one accusing alliance for god knows what.
So before you jump on mikee, let's make sure your own pple don't start all this.
rgds Kj
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12 Nov 2003, 17:15
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#108
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by ComradeRob
On behalf of Eclipse, I wholeheartedly apologise for the fact that we have arranged attacks on FAnG planets. I do hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive us for our heinous crimes
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apology accepted
rgds Kj
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12 Nov 2003, 20:37
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lippy bint
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: #cootie
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Re: Who puts up with this?
Yes, I know I "shouldn't" be here, but I find it comforting to distract myself with irrelevant nonsense this moment (breakfast), before I go attend to those rl issues :/
The underlying query of this thread is still intriguing, even if TK worded it poorly and 3 pages of unrelated, if occasionally amusing, squabbling followed.
The question is: how does an alliance simultaneously persuade its members to serve as escorts for top planets, and maintain overall morale at the same time? To me, this appears a difficult dyad to resolve. Of course this assumes your alliance isn't formed of dozens of people who all live in the same apartment and play at the same internet cafe, which we have seen in the past is the best way to get members to play for the glory of one or two top planets while amazingly never losing drive themselves.
If players are actively involved in the game, they want some achievement for themselves as well. There may be a few purely altruistic players, but there existing more than a handful goes against human nature.
So, what's the payoff for these players? Regarding defense, what happens to morale when you send dozens of defenders to one of your top planets and the planet himself runs his fleet, leaving 99% of the defenders to die? Regarding attakcs, how do you persuade people to serve as escorts for your top players, whether you do it as a matter of course, or rarely, or just on special attacks? I pose this not just to Dragons or Fang but to any alliance who would like to respond. And also because I obviously don't understand the psychology behind it yet, because Eclipse is not focused on maintaining a few top planets but rather on maximizing potential and roid gain for all its members, so I am not familiar with how an alliance with a "top planet" strategy is run.
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13 Nov 2003, 00:01
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Inflate My Ego
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Hengelo, The Netherlands
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by ComradeRob
On behalf of Eclipse, I wholeheartedly apologise for the fact that we have arranged attacks on FAnG planets. I do hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive us for our heinous crimes
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13 Nov 2003, 00:38
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 90
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
odd, you dissaprove Mikee's behavior yet you tolerate and probably promote whatever YOUR fellow member posted. He's the one starting this thread, he's the one having no point and he's the one accusing alliance for god knows what.
So before you jump on mikee, let's make sure your own pple don't start all this.
rgds Kj
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If any of my members behaved and used the same language that Mikee has, I would certainly have a chat with him.
It doesn't really matter who starts the thread actually, Mikee is a 12 yr old who will always use such language. One word to Mikee, "Punctuation".
And he doesn't even deserve a further reply.
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13 Nov 2003, 00:47
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#112
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 90
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Mikee
since u dont seem to understand ENGLISH very well ill try again.... u try and blame dragons HC for telling Dragons members not to report Eclipse incomings YET Focht told Bazza and Sophie that i had our gal setup and i ORGANISED the raids on 3:6 (my former gal) and further more u told bazza and sophie to tell Eclipse when me and Slash were offline so u could launch freely
BASICALLY im saying ur alliance is very hypocrittical and furthermore i left Eclipse i was already rejoined in FAnG by the time Eclipse had realised maybe u should take ur heads out of ur own fkin ****es for a change and try admittin to the truth once in a while
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Sorry couldn't resist it.
"i left Eclipse i was already rejoined in FAnG" -- yes, I do have to strech my brain a little to understand things like those.
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13 Nov 2003, 00:54
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#113
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Evil inside
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,631
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by SystemShock
If any of my members behaved and used the same language that Mikee has, I would certainly have a chat with him.
It doesn't really matter who starts the thread actually, Mikee is a 12 yr old who will always use such language. One word to Mikee, "Punctuation".
And he doesn't even deserve a further reply.
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And still you replied.
Of all the Eclipse PR team, you suck the most.
No little feat.
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<Hicks>Occassionally individuals do things without Executive consent
<Dreadnought>You cant whois on Eclipse server without a registered nic, which mr ****stirrer doesnt have.
<Almeida> well i like to grow fat myself too, and when i have enough ships then i can engage in big battles
<Nantoz> Zhukov for Lord Protector!
<Jakiri> (Windows)XP was fine on release
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13 Nov 2003, 01:13
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#114
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov
And still you replied.
Of all the Eclipse PR team, you suck the most.
No little feat.
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if the yhad any sense the ywould bring hicks back if only to reply on AD
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13 Nov 2003, 01:31
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#115
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lippy bint
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: #cootie
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Re: Who puts up with this?
Sigh, fine, ignore me. As usual.
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13 Nov 2003, 01:49
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#116
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,164
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Purm
People left because they couldn't work some other people and left alot of their friends in Fang, u shouldn't have left gm! And specially not for eclipse.
Bah, you dissapointed me by doing that . Same goes for the others :/.
Anyways, I'm still there fighting for my friends, the people who fought for me too this round....What ever happens in FAnG or I'll stick to the people there. Although I don't like some things that are done offcourse, but we are making a change atm .
No you all stop bitching and get a life .
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I'll have to take gm's side, i know that noone asked me, and i'm sure that FAnG has a great community, but you seem way to unorganized. Not about bitching, its also about getting defence when asked for, and when you don't get defence several times you're boud to become irritated....no?
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13 Nov 2003, 02:37
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#117
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Inquisitor
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: England
Posts: 2,207
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov
And still you replied.
Of all the Eclipse PR team, you suck the most.
No little feat.
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Am I part of the Eclipse PR team?
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13 Nov 2003, 03:06
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,164
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Re: Who puts up with this?
oh, and bring back the 1337 SeaN
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13 Nov 2003, 04:17
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#119
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: London, UK
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Parthos
The underlying query of this thread is still intriguing, even if TK worded it poorly and 3 pages of unrelated, if occasionally amusing, squabbling followed.
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I wrote it in the ungodly hours of the morning, while waiting for a tick to come around. Forgive me for not being my usual Thesaurussy self
Mikee: You don't seem to be able to string a complete sentence together. Just how has/had Eclipse backstabbed you, seeing as you were the spy, and you left?
Kjel and all your FAnG peons: I didn't post this on behalf of Eclipse. I posted this on behalf of myself, as I was genuinely curious how people would "give" their planets away by using escorts to keep the large players happy and in the top.
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13 Nov 2003, 09:21
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#120
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Denmark
Posts: 6
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by SystemShock
Care to make another official statement about how DaKing instructed Dragons members not to report incs at Eclipse planets?
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Interesting, -plz get me the logs where I orders Dragons not to report inc on Eclipse gal members, -I dont remember saying that! But well interesting statement, and I may consider to abuse it too
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13 Nov 2003, 10:07
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#121
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Its time to roll the dice
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The barn
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
I'll have to take gm's side, i know that noone asked me, and i'm sure that FAnG has a great community, but you seem way to unorganized. Not about bitching, its also about getting defence when asked for, and when you don't get defence several times you're boud to become irritated....no?
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Yes FAnG has been one of the leading alliances through the entire round but has been completely unable to defend any members. That sounds about right......
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13 Nov 2003, 11:52
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Treveler
Yes FAnG has been one of the leading alliances through the entire round but has been completely unable to defend any members. That sounds about right......
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And you suppose it has nothing to do with FAnG memberbase this round.....
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13 Nov 2003, 11:53
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Rumad
but the best members are those that offer defence night after night and of course every good alliance has a balance.
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Yay, freaky, you just described NoS.....
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13 Nov 2003, 11:56
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Treveler
Yes FAnG has been one of the leading alliances through the entire round but has been completely unable to defend any members. That sounds about right......
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I feel that gm deserves def when he asks for it..... if not i would either call kjeldoran a ****ing asshole, or i would jump to the assumption that FAnG is fairly unorganized and not able to defend their general memberbase, who is related to their mass recruiting etc.....
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13 Nov 2003, 12:48
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Inflate My Ego
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Hengelo, The Netherlands
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
I feel that gm deserves def when he asks for it..... if not i would either call kjeldoran a ****ing asshole, or i would jump to the assumption that FAnG is fairly unorganized and not able to defend their general memberbase, who is related to their mass recruiting etc.....
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There are cases that you basically run out of ships to defend with when you get hit by 2 or 3 alliances at the same time. I lost best part of my fleet a while ago (500 nasicus, 1k eryx, 1k morelia) when my fleet got caught, because there was no defense available. I went from rank 300 to 2000 Tough luck, I'm still with FAnG though.
There's no mass recruiting going on actually. Unless they put all the new ones in a separate well-hidden channel, far away from the 'older' members.
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13 Nov 2003, 13:00
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#126
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,164
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Re: Who puts up with this?
it is possible in 99% of the cases to cover incoming..... A simple database with phonenumbers and and well organized bc's can do wonders.... Ofc. it is bound to be one every now and then who don't get def because of all alliance ships seems to be stretched as far as they can go. But it doesn't seem to be every now and then.... it seems to have happened to half your members....
It is nothing you can say that will change my mind about FAnG not being ready for the massive memberbase you now got. I had a top20 planet IYIaster in my galaxy earlier this round.... he was denied def too, and the excuse he got was hc galaxy under heavy incs.... If you deny that it is a problem in FAnG that is not as big as in other alliances, i would say you're wide off. Cause this doesn't happened in all the other alliances....
And plsssssss don't tell me that you didn't get a big chuck of new members before this round.... hell you got a whole bunch just from NoS...
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13 Nov 2003, 13:09
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Furious Angel
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: England
Posts: 128
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
I wrote it in the ungodly hours of the morning, while waiting for a tick to come around. Forgive me for not being my usual Thesaurussy self
Mikee: You don't seem to be able to string a complete sentence together. Just how has/had Eclipse backstabbed you, seeing as you were the spy, and you left?
Kjel and all your FAnG peons: I didn't post this on behalf of Eclipse. I posted this on behalf of myself, as I was genuinely curious how people would "give" their planets away by using escorts to keep the large players happy and in the top.
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sorry tk i dont do 5am wake up calls to run down to my uni library to login to PA to launch an attack so i wouldnt be wasting all my goddamn time reading Harry Potter or w00teva u read in ur free time.
On a seperate note i find it hilarious that Eclipse deploy similar tactics to roid a top FAnG and would even go so far as to DDoS a private server just to make defence that much harder for an alliance, pathetic just how low u guys will go only time will tell
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I'm who you want me to be
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: In a flat place, enjoying RL
Posts: 418
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Treveler
Yes FAnG has been one of the leading alliances through the entire round but has been completely unable to defend any members. That sounds about right......
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He wasn't talking about the capability of covering your members I think. He was more talking about the WILLINGNESS, ergo where you put your priorities.
Personally as HC I couldn't give a damn whether my planet gets defended or not, seeing I'm not that active in-game I feel other players should have an advantage on me when it comes to defence. Ofcourse, where you place your priorities is upto an alliance. I did hear some stories from an old friend of mine who's FAnG this round (or just retired) claiming the 'part that left FAnG' were all defence leechers... might have something to do with them not being defended. Who knows.
Just rambling here
Hook
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13 Nov 2003, 13:28
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by hook
He wasn't talking about the capability of covering your members I think. He was more talking about the WILLINGNESS, ergo where you put your priorities.
Personally as HC I couldn't give a damn whether my planet gets defended or not, seeing I'm not that active in-game I feel other players should have an advantage on me when it comes to defence. Ofcourse, where you place your priorities is upto an alliance. I did hear some stories from an old friend of mine who's FAnG this round (or just retired) claiming the 'part that left FAnG' were all defence leechers... might have something to do with them not being defended. Who knows.
Just rambling here
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as FAnG HC, I can assure you that we have NEVER refused defending a member. Sometimes we were unable, which happens, but we never refused to offer defence. Anyone who claims differently is lying (including those that weren't fang or left fang).
If you do feel like you're being refused for defence, then pm me and show me to logs and I'll personally make sure the involved DC gets confronted with this.
But don't come on boards claiming shit like we're bad organised or unwilling to offer defend, cause that's plain PR bullshit from other alliances.
rgds Kj
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13 Nov 2003, 13:30
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This is bat country
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norway
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Re: Who puts up with this?
I actually have a great number of logs and similiar with FAnG members asking if anyone needs defence, where to send ships etc etc.
to the best of my knowledge, this hasnt changed since I stopped being active
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13 Nov 2003, 14:14
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Rumad
kj read what he says mate - he is supporting that those that left were leeches and that if you did decide not to defend thats why (he also say its ramblings).
No need for teh reply you have given whatsover.
When you said you had replaced me i didn't realise you meant you weren't reading what posters put as well
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perhaps he jumped at my throat there.....
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Sometimes we were unable, which happens,
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Yes, but it seems to happend more frequent at yours then at others.....
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But don't come on boards claiming shit like we're bad organised or unwilling to offer defend, cause that's plain PR bullshit from other alliances.
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then pls call me a liying pr whore, i don't give a ****ing damn. I've had FAnG planets in my galaxy closed for cheating earlier this round, IYIaster was in my galaxy for a period saying FAnG weren't able to defend, and the same thing happend to gm in my galaxy, i've also spoken to other mates in FAnG that feels that you could be a tad better organized.
It is my general impression that FAnG is too unorganized to handle their current memberbase in an orderly fasion!
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13 Nov 2003, 14:27
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Rumad
kj read what he says mate - he is supporting that those that left were leeches and that if you did decide not to defend thats why (he also say its ramblings).
No need for teh reply you have given whatsover.
When you said you had replaced me i didn't realise you meant you weren't reading what posters put as well
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the quote was not meant to him, more to a general audience. Stop criticizing me all the time hun
rgds Kj
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13 Nov 2003, 14:36
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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The last point you perhaps need to take a step back and have a think. People forever complain about whether they get defence or not, but you have to be the bc undertaking defensive duties for that night.
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In my time as dc in NoS i have never failed to cover a target completely... Except for once on PL, but that was a communication fault between dc's and i could have covered it with my own ships.
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Even though I think defence calls are simplified again now I think that you cannot cover every defence all the time. You also have to ask what the said members contributed (no I am not saying they were leeches as gm is a good mate, but perhaps, just perhaps there were other members who were prioritised before because of either there universe position or their contribution to their alliance.
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If alliances really has a problem with ppl never offering def etc, i think they should have a look at the points system we use again....
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Its nota good thing to be denied defence and any alliance worth its salk should work towards getting 100% if not hitting 100% coverage a night. As for unorganised I dunno whether thats true or not, but I would say there uni ranking as an alliance begs to differ somewhat.
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Ok, maybe they started out organized etc, but things fall apart. I'd believe the biggest memberbase in pa controlls the alliance rankings....
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13 Nov 2003, 14:46
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Re: Who puts up with this?
and sorry, didn't mean to bring up NoS in all this.
This is not about them.
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13 Nov 2003, 15:19
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Inflate My Ego
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
it is possible in 99% of the cases to cover incoming..... A simple database with phonenumbers and and well organized bc's can do wonders.... Ofc. it is bound to be one every now and then who don't get def because of all alliance ships seems to be stretched as far as they can go. But it doesn't seem to be every now and then.... it seems to have happened to half your members....
It is nothing you can say that will change my mind about FAnG not being ready for the massive memberbase you now got. I had a top20 planet IYIaster in my galaxy earlier this round.... he was denied def too, and the excuse he got was hc galaxy under heavy incs.... If you deny that it is a problem in FAnG that is not as big as in other alliances, i would say you're wide off. Cause this doesn't happened in all the other alliances....
And plsssssss don't tell me that you didn't get a big chuck of new members before this round.... hell you got a whole bunch just from NoS...
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You must have missed that there is a war going on?
We got shitloads of incoming every day. Sometimes a bit more, when our opponents can be bothered to do a real coordinated all-out strike.
Even when the attacking alliance is a bit smaller than the defending one, it's nearly impossible to cover all calls when they go all out. The simple explanation is that you (most of the time) need more ships than the attackers sent in order to make it a successfull defense.
Imagine when you're under attack by 3 'smaller' alliances at the same time...
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13 Nov 2003, 15:28
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Join Date: Jul 2000
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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For your first point you should have been in NoS round 9. They couldn't cover every defence call it was impossible.
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It was a total nightmare...
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13 Nov 2003, 17:18
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Retard0r
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Re: Who puts up with this?
yeh, i know there's a war going on. But those in my galaxy that are in the blocks hasn't been much affected by it the last 3 weeks, thats why my experience might block my view of the whole picture.
The only thing i ment to do when i started to post in this thread wasn't to try to piss everyone off, it was backing up gm My original statement was:
If gm is not happy with the defence he gets, he should switch alliance. I can say this, ever since gm moved to my gal he's only been hit a few times, and it's not fun not to be prioritized 2/5 times he asks for def.... Especially when you get hit rarely. Cause then the impression he gets is that he only get def in 60% of the cases he asks for it. And i know i wouldn't settle for that...
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13 Nov 2003, 20:04
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Re: Who puts up with this?
it was the defence that others never got that annoyed me, sure I made a defence call and the BC said I was coverd and I never got any defence but that isnt why I left fang.
I will shut up again :P
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13 Nov 2003, 21:08
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Registered User
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
I feel that gm deserves def when he asks for it..... if not i would either call kjeldoran a ****ing asshole, or i would jump to the assumption that FAnG is fairly unorganized and not able to defend their general memberbase, who is related to their mass recruiting etc.....
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This all sounds like nonsense to me. GM is just making up excuses to drag FAnG through the mud. Some facts;
- FAnG (or any other alliance) can only defend a member when they are informed about his incomings either by the galaxy or the member.
- FAnG has covered *my* incomings every single night since I joined 5 weeks ago.
- FAnG members (or any other alliance member) who get along with their galaxy mates very well have bigger chance of them reporting their incomings when they are offline themselves.
I am very sorry that people tried to nick GM's (200?) roids a couple of times and some succeeded, but I guess this has more to do with GM's own activity, his galaxy, his galaxy mates and his own social skills than the fact that FAnG 'refused' to defend his planet (I would like to see logs of HC/DC telling him that - lmao).
Now eclipse, I hope GM and Jezz will be more loyal to you than they were to FAnG.
Cheers,
Lord Dain
BTW. Tomkat, or whatever your nick is, doesn't Eclipse organise any mandatory raids where people are urged to launch on hostile planets all at the same time? We all know that the answer is YES, in any case, round, and in any way. You made this thread to make yourself look like an amateur or wanna be Fury Propaganda bitch or what?
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13 Nov 2003, 22:11
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Re: Who puts up with this?
ah so Lord_Dain gets promoted and starts the suckups, lies and stuff. what a way to suck up to kj.
"FAnG has covered *my* incomings every single night since I joined 5 weeks ago." who coverd your incoming when fang wouldnt defend you when you were joining??
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[20:10] <[DDK]gm> thx for not handleing my defence call :/
[20:10] <RammSteiN> ni def ?
[20:10] <RammSteiN> *no
[20:10] <[DDK]gm> nope
[20:11] <RammSteiN> [9:33pm] <[FAnG]Ronnie> wil sort it <--
"FAnG 'refused' to defend his planet (I would like to see logs of HC/DC telling him that - lmao)."??????????? when the F*** have I ever claimed that??? get your facts strate, besides our reasons for leaving fang were nothing to do with defence, they were due to lack of orginisation.
Session Start: Fri Oct 31 21:14:26 2003
Session Ident: Lord_Dain\afk
Session Ident: Lord_Dain\afk ( [email protected])
* * 10¤10* Stats on Lord_Dain\afk (*@fanghq.-83E938E.upc-g.chello.nl)
* * 10¤10* [ N ] in Dcclist
* * 10¤10* [ N ] in Exemptlist
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[21:14] <Lord_Dain\afk> i agree
[21:14] <Lord_Dain\afk> most HC are idling
[21:14] <Lord_Dain\afk> and do nothing apparently
[21:15] <[DDK]gm> I am having constant argumens about it and so are my people
[21:15] <[DDK]gm> trying to get kj to sort himself out
[21:15] <Lord_Dain|RL> yes
[21:15] <[DDK]gm> slash is trying too
[21:16] <[DDK]gm> I will give you an example of the current fang system
[21:16] <[DDK]gm> if I want a intel report on a gal I want to attack I have to pm hc, if the gal isnt hostile or has too many friendlys I have to find another and pm hc again and so on, but if hc isnt active I have been told to pm dragons hc
[21:17] <[DDK]gm> so another words fck that
[21:17] *** Lord_Dain|RL ( [email protected]) invites you to join #retalfckers
* * 10¤10* MODE: You were OPED by Lord_Dain|RL in #retalfckers
[21:20] <[DDK]gm> I have started plans to move DDK back to netgamers, last time I did that kj got scared as the members are very loyal
[21:20] <[DDK]gm> I will give him a list of demands
[21:20] <Lord_Dain|RL> ok
[21:20] <Lord_Dain|RL> i support u
[21:21] <[DDK]gm> currently we have 16 officers/hc in the command channel and I think 3 active
[21:21] <Lord_Dain|RL> time to cut that 16 in half
[21:21] <Lord_Dain|RL> to 8
[21:21] <Lord_Dain|RL> and replace the remaining inactive
[21:22] <[DDK]gm> slash is trying
Session Close: Fri Oct 31 21:36:09 2003
[21:13] <[DDK]gm> I know hc
and officers are being idle twats lately
[21:13] <Lord_Dain\afk> yes
[21:13] <Lord_Dain\afk> all the time
[21:14] <Lord_Dain\afk> did they get roided or what?
[21:14] <[DDK]gm> we need some change around here and some orginisation :/
[21:14] <Lord_Dain\afk> YES FFS
"GM is just making up excuses to drag FAnG through the mud" I dont need to look far do I, and you never saw half of the problems, so kindly go away.
someone close this thread pls
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13 Nov 2003, 22:54
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Angels for life !
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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whatever
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Look, your word means NOTHING. First you say stuff like, I don't wanna worsen our relationship then it already is, then you say you won't try to talk bad about FAnG.
But what have we seen on this thread? nothing but logfiles which were posted to discredit FAnG and low hits aimed at me personally.
Idd close this thread, and for once start thinking about your own behavior. I'm sick and tired of you yelling around how unorganized we were, how bad our attacks were etc. Ever considered you're ATLEAST a part of the blame if what you say is true?
nway mods, idd close this thread, it was made for Eclipse PR against FAnG, point is proven that it didn't work, waiting for the next one to come ...
rgds Kj
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13 Nov 2003, 23:15
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Eclipse High Command
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
nway mods, idd close this thread, it was made for Eclipse PR against FAnG, point is proven that it didn't work, waiting for the next one to come ...
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Dont value yourself that highly, i would say it looks more like you pissed off some ppl who could look behind the fascade of fang you always post and now youre pissed of they didnt stfu about it when they left fang.
Ive not seen yet any direct connection with eclipse in this thread, merely gm and jezz stating why they left fang after you called them names and insulted them.
I agree it should be closed, but you asked for them to reply so live with it.
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13 Nov 2003, 23:24
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Angels for life !
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Razorback
Dont value yourself that highly, i would say it looks more like you pissed off some ppl who could look behind the fascade of fang you always post and now youre pissed of they didnt stfu about it when they left fang.
Ive not seen yet any direct connection with eclipse in this thread, merely gm and jezz stating why they left fang after you called them names and insulted them.
I agree it should be closed, but you asked for them to reply so live with it.
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lol, how about you look at the thread starter, then you'll see it's one of your officers that started this thread. One of YOUR pple that posted utter PR bullshit (which has been proved my numerious pple).
Tbh, you haven't got the nearest clue. All you know is their stories and you're not gonna believe anything I say so I doubt I could find a person MORE biassed in this situation.
So I suggest you stay out of this. I've had pm's with gm in the past, he promised me he wouldn't discredit fang even after he left, I think today has shown he did.
Why you suddenly jump in and involve in issues you A: know nothing about and B: don't even concern you, I don't know.
this thread shouldn't have been made in the first place Focht, and I even think you know that too.
rgds Kj
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13 Nov 2003, 23:44
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Inflate My Ego
Join Date: Jul 2000
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Re: Who puts up with this?
hey Kj, you have removed Focht from your ignore list again?
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14 Nov 2003, 00:26
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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I've had pm's with gm in the past, he promised me he wouldn't discredit fang even after he left
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Yes but I didnt realise I would have to defend myself against the lies of fang officers, I cba with this crap anymore but if your officers keep digging it up I will defend myself.
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14 Nov 2003, 00:58
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Angels for life !
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Re: Who puts up with this?
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Originally Posted by Scorpio
hey Kj, you have removed Focht from your ignore list again?
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heh, I don't ignore pple. Never have, never will. It's baby behavior nway ...
rgds Kj
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14 Nov 2003, 07:03
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Happy
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canada eh
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Re: Who puts up with this?
ladies! put down your handbags! :\
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