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Unread 6 Nov 2003, 02:22   #1
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Why Dragons will never win

http://cabeza.lockhead.net/index.php...nid=1985602056

pld Elysium, you can not lose with enemies like this.
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

For comparison, here is the original calc I had (produced from a mil scan of all incomings) before Dragons started to recall:
http://213.228.214.142/494calc.jpg

I personally handled the def call there, and I was worried that although we would 'win' after salvage, your losses would have been split between Dragons, Fang and Vision, whereas our losses would have been concentrated in Ely fleets. So I arranged for a copy of the calc to find its way into Dragon hands. Sure enough, Jurgen recalled the next tick.

I salute the FAnGs who were willing to stay on that (including you Dain :-). And to the Dragons... predictable as ever...
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

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Why dont this shock me ^^
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

Interesting fact: Dragons have never won a war they had to 'fight ' for.
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

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For comparison, here is the original calc I had (produced from a mil scan of all incomings) before Dragons started to recall:
http://213.228.214.142/494calc.jpg

I personally handled the def call there, and I was worried that although we would 'win' after salvage, your losses would have been split between Dragons, Fang and Vision, whereas our losses would have been concentrated in Ely fleets. So I arranged for a copy of the calc to find its way into Dragon hands. Sure enough, Jurgen recalled the next tick.
werent there quite alot tot defenders ?
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

No "new alliances" from r4 and onwards is worth the bits to type their name on, really
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No "new alliances" from r4 and onwards is worth the bits to type their name on, really

but on the other hand without new the game would look kinda sad
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Unread 6 Nov 2003, 11:14   #9
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

Well, this battle would have been clearly one of the highlights this round and just that for I wish we would have landed. It doesnt even is THAT important, which alliance would`ve lost 1k ships more of this or that type...

Nice job ely did in defending btw, although their methods as well were debatable (... I wont go in detail here, as I mentioned before a couple of times already how I think about some methods to get informations.... )

I have to come to Lord Dain`s defence as well. Of course his reaction was agressive and nonprofessional, but he put much effort into defending counters and making sure all attackers are able to land, so everyone can prolly imagine, how much that recall order frustrated him.
Still this is no reason to lose one`s temper and I officially apologize.

Compared to their size Ğragons are doing very well btw. They got a lot of top spots and while all around planets are getting closed and players going inactive bored or frustrated, they still are motivated, active and keeping the community alive

... we`ll have another battle, be sure
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

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Nice job ely did in defending btw, although their methods as well were debatable (... I wont go in detail here, as I mentioned before a couple of times already how I think about some methods to get informations.... )
1) Someone pastes me log of Webangel:
-WA|afk:#fightclub- PM me all your BS please (attack)
2) We Jumpgate scan our top planets before it turns ETA7
3) Profit

Would you like to explain what exactly is debateable about that? Note, you're automatically disqualified from AD if you post the expected answer of 'oh noes xtotehez hackked netgamors!!321".
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

They might also never win because they organise shoddy defence like this:

http://cabeza.lockhead.net/index.php...nid=1684371184
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Would you like to explain what exactly is debateable about that? Note, you're automatically disqualified from AD if you post the expected answer of 'oh noes xtotehez hackked netgamors!!321".

Debatable just means that a discussion is possible from it.
Unfortunately, his side of the debate appears to be very flawed if he is trying to accuse you of doing "naughty" things...

(comedy omg you hacked into #fightclub option)
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Compared to their size Ğragons are doing very well btw.
This is after all the alliance that won AllComp.. most members around, so they should be doing very well with those numbers
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Unfortunately, his side of the debate appears to be very flawed if he is trying to accuse you of doing "naughty" things...

(comedy omg you hacked into #fightclub option)
I laugh everytime I get a PM from a fang peon screaming 'stop ****ing dddossing our services!!!!!!!". Ignorance should be illegal, really.
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

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They might also never win because they organise shoddy defence like this:

http://cabeza.lockhead.net/index.php...nid=1684371184
yet Elysium are favourites to win despite their shoddy DC'ing
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yet Elysium are favourites to win despite their shoddy DC'ing
What are you basing your opinion on exactly?
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I laugh everytime I get a PM from a fang peon screaming 'stop ****ing dddossing our services!!!!!!!". Ignorance should be illegal, really.
ya well, then again I'm quiet sure hardly no FAnGer even bothers pm'ing you

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Re: Why Dragons will never win

heh heh heh... this is like the best bs thread I've ever seen so far in pa. Recall was ordered by lizardking who arranged the whole attack and kaifux who was assistenting or so.
That pm with lord_dain and tuhoaja is "fake" maybe u could paste it whole or so? no?
Parracida: if u could plz show me a fight where fang has won or ely or a fight where dragons would have lost. I would much like to c that... ^^
recall was a bad choise it would have been good for attackers to land atleast from what I've heard after it all happened.
About winning the round? should we like recruit sum ppl to get more score or should we calc top10 planets compared to alliances?
anyways will be mostly off from irc for a couple more days just trying to save what I still can from this flame sum of u have started. ^^
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

Due to new PMs etc, I'm editing this post and removing all I said before. Those who had time to read the one before should still know I stand behind every word (except the ones in the end), but atm I don't see any reason to keep it here anymore.


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Re: Why Dragons will never win

funny, really.
but could the Ğragons spirit win then?
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Are you ok, Tuhoajaz? Do you need some tissue?
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Aye... could use some tissue But I'd probly just end up squeezing it into a ball and throwing it at Lord Dain.
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if its true about this trojaner, no matter who is responsible for it, its kinda sad and those people should rethink about their life.

if its not true than id say urrrrrrm.....nothing
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Re: Why Dragons will never win

After speaking in PM with some people tonight, I hereby wish to make my apologies to Tuhuoja.

It was not his fault what happened. Those who ordered the recall, ya know who u are.. tsk..

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Ok so FAnG - Ğragons = still married... nothing really happened just a ****up and flame from eet to make it look worse than it actually was.
/me shakes hands with FAnG etc.
We all know fury propaganda... now lets try to figure which block they r in nowadays? ;-)
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Jurgen, I enjoyed working with you back in our r9.5 gal and respect what youve built in Dragons, but not one of the members of the EX-Fury 'propaganda team' has said a word in this thread.

Its about time people stopped blaming their problems on an alliance thats been gone for several rounds. Every fking alliance uses propaganda, including yours.

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What are you basing your opinion on exactly?
I think he's referring to the battles where ND gave Ely a run for their money.
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Parracida: if u could plz show me a fight where fang has won or ely or a fight where dragons would have lost. I would much like to c that... ^^
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About winning the round? should we like recruit sum ppl to get more score or should we calc top10 planets compared to alliances?
Didn't u recruit Seraphim?
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Didn't u recruit Seraphim?
This coming from the person who's ONLY partial creation was "adelante" and didn't even last half a round untill it failed again, I don't think you have the right to judge Dragons.

And about recruiting, where do you think all the Virus members go to? certainly not outside EET ...

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I think he's referring to the battles where ND gave Ely a run for their money.
that's why i was asking, i only know of one. I'm not the best informed person tho
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And about recruiting, where do you think all the Virus members go to? certainly not outside EET ...

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They went to Eclipse specifically, none joined Elysium afaik
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There were 2 performed, on ranked 7 and 1.

It was the second that turned into a thread
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There were 2 performed, on ranked 7 and 1.

It was the second that turned into a thread
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There were 2 performed, on ranked 7 and 1.

It was the second that turned into a thread
which one was THEGREATONE then?
he lost some 700 roids (or isn't he in Ely?)
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which one was THEGREATONE then?
he lost some 700 roids (or isn't he in Ely?)

ok so 3 then rather? O.o

I dunno..just said 2 cause i knew of them, i bet there were more
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And about recruiting, where do you think all the Virus members go to? certainly not outside EET ...

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yep virus members went to Eclipse , they have even started recruiting FaNGers to now


WAIT!!!! why dont we all just join Eclipse, rape the n00bs ( ipc ) and we all win
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And about recruiting, where do you think all the Virus members go to? certainly not outside EET ...

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yep virus members went to Eclipse , they have even started recruiting FaNGers to now


WAIT!!!! why dont we all just join Eclipse, rape the n00bs ( ipc ) and we all win
I will quit the very day we all join Eclipse
1) I don't like Eclipse.
2) Eclipse doesn't like me.
3) Universe vs Scorpio doesn't seem like a fair scenario to me
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Compared to their size Ğragons are doing very well btw. They got a lot of top spots and while all around planets are getting closed and players going inactive bored or frustrated, they still are motivated, active and keeping the community alive

... we`ll have another battle, be sure
You mean their size before or after they took in Seraphim?

Note : Don't scream, "EET ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN US!!!"
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heh heh heh... this is like the best bs thread I've ever seen so far in pa. Recall was ordered by lizardking who arranged the whole attack and kaifux who was assistenting or so.
That pm with lord_dain and tuhoaja is "fake" maybe u could paste it whole or so? no?
Parracida: if u could plz show me a fight where fang has won or ely or a fight where dragons would have lost. I would much like to c that... ^^
recall was a bad choise it would have been good for attackers to land atleast from what I've heard after it all happened.
About winning the round? should we like recruit sum ppl to get more score or should we calc top10 planets compared to alliances?
anyways will be mostly off from irc for a couple more days just trying to save what I still can from this flame sum of u have started. ^^
lol funny you should talk about recruitment. You recruited Seraphim.

And as for everyone who wanted to say that we recruited ViruS, yes we did but it wasn't for top 100 planets or t500 for that matter. ViruS were taken in for the community. They are all good people who wanted a place till the game finally dies. I don't think anyone would have turned them down.
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Ok so FAnG - Ğragons = still married... nothing really happened just a ****up and flame from eet to make it look worse than it actually was.
/me shakes hands with FAnG etc.
We all know fury propaganda... now lets try to figure which block they r in nowadays? ;-)
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98% of the people in this thread that posted propaganda weren't Fury towards the end, so they weren't Fury at all. Atleast get your facts right before you try and play down someone else's propaganda. :-/
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yep virus members went to Eclipse , they have even started recruiting FaNGers to now


WAIT!!!! why dont we all just join Eclipse, rape the n00bs ( ipc ) and we all win
If this is about a few DDK members then please ask them why they left, they can explain it the best. I don't think any alliance would deny good members just because they come from an oppossing alliance.

Personally, I think DDK left mainly because FAnG is not the same alliance as it was at the start.
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ok so 3 then rather? O.o

I dunno..just said 2 cause i knew of them, i bet there were more
XtoTheZ was roided early in the round too, a day or two after VisioN owned him. To be fair, whenever we've knowingly hit Ely, we havent had much trouble getting through.
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XtoTheZ was roided early in the round too, a day or two after VisioN owned him. To be fair, whenever we've knowingly hit Ely, we havent had much trouble getting through.
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XtoTheZ was roided early in the round too, a day or two after VisioN owned him. To be fair, whenever we've knowingly hit Ely, we havent had much trouble getting through.
We are a bunch of noobs but learning slowly..
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What are you basing your opinion on exactly?
http://cabeza.lockhead.net/index.php...nid=1787691494

You could base it on that. Look familiar?
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XtoTheZ was roided early in the round too, a day or two after VisioN owned him. To be fair, whenever we've knowingly hit Ely, we havent had much trouble getting through.
When I was offline in an inactive gal that didn't report my inc, yes, of course you get through. It doesn't make ely defense bad, it made me unlucky to land there.

I've been at a new location for several weeks now and haven't lost a single roid to anyone. Wonder why.
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We are a bunch of noobs but learning slowly..
Actually we fear NewDawn more than any other alliance. Every night before we go to bed we get together and pray that you won't attack us.
good, you're coming down to my way of thinking.
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