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30 May 2005, 10:51
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ID Card costs soar
So it seems that instead of being forced to pay £85 for an invasion of our privavcy we may now have to pay £300.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/pol...p?story=642652
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30 May 2005, 11:00
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Re: ID Card costs soar
I somehow doubt the government would have so little sense to directly charge people £300 a go.
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30 May 2005, 11:32
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Re: ID Card costs soar
Directly, indirectly we're* still paying for it and it's still a waste of money.
*read: the taxpayer, which is not me at the moment
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The 20th century has been characterised by three developments of great political importance. The growth of democracy; the growth of corporate power; and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.
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30 May 2005, 11:36
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Re: ID Card costs soar
I have n`t even got £300 to spare for an ID card. Where am I going to get that sort of money?
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30 May 2005, 11:40
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Re: ID Card costs soar
I like the idea of ID Cards, not because it is apprently going to solve crime and stop terrorism but because I wouldnt mind having all my details on one card. Purely a convenience thing not a security thing.
I do object to them wanting everyone to have one and charging a stupid price for them. I also object to the way the americans want both countries (UK and US) to use the same system and both have access to eachothers database. That i think is very very wrong.
Also i doubt it will cost £300, thats just the tories being shit (as per usual).
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30 May 2005, 11:41
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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Originally Posted by pyirt
I have n`t even got £300 to spare for an ID card. Where am I going to get that sort of money?
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Sell yourself, many people have done it, alot of people have regretted it.
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30 May 2005, 11:44
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Re: ID Card costs soar
its based on research be LSE, so i do believe the figures, however, the being charged £300 each thing is just the tories talking shit, no change there then, if you look, the actual figure quoted is 18bn over a decade, so i would imagine that the LSE never meant their findings to be applied on a per person basis
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30 May 2005, 11:52
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Re: ID Card costs soar
i think you'll find i've never been a cancer patient, i demand and end to this ludicrous waste of my tax money.
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30 May 2005, 12:36
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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Originally Posted by All Systems Go
Directly, indirectly we're* still paying for it and it's still a waste of money.
*read: the taxpayer, which is not me at the moment
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What? Are you not living in this country at the moment?
Or do you just not buy anything ever?
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30 May 2005, 12:39
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Re: ID Card costs soar
I don't know why, but I saw Ste had replied to this thread and it made me think of a futuristic dystopian porn film in which Stew is 'molested' by a group of Fascist police who looked a bit like skiddy.
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30 May 2005, 13:04
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson
I don't know why, but I saw Ste had replied to this thread and it made me think of a futuristic dystopian porn film in which Stew is 'molested' by a group of Fascist police who looked a bit like skiddy.
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What the hell? How are the two incidences related?
And Ste, I think he meant he doesn't pay income tax as he's a student (which I think you knew). I'm not a great tax expert (yet) so I've no idea of this kind of thing is funded from VAT, income tax or what.
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30 May 2005, 13:44
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They're not. I'm just telling you what happened.
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30 May 2005, 14:06
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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Originally Posted by Phang
i think you'll find i've never been a cancer patient, i demand and end to this ludicrous waste of my tax money.
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What are you talking about?
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30 May 2005, 14:07
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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Originally Posted by Stew
And Ste, I think he meant he doesn't pay income tax as he's a student (which I think you knew). I'm not a great tax expert (yet) so I've no idea of this kind of thing is funded from VAT, income tax or what.
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Students aren't special. We still pay tax. If we earnt more than the tax-paying threshold then we would pay exactly the same as a non-student.
And afaik all tax goes into one big pot and then distributed.
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30 May 2005, 14:12
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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Originally Posted by Ste
Students aren't special. We still pay tax. If we earnt more than the tax-paying threshold then we would pay exactly the same as a non-student.
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But he was implying he doesn't.
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And afaik all tax goes into one big pot and then distributed.
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You're wrong.
For example car tax and petrol tax gets used for roads and stuff.
National Insurance gets allocate to particular things etc.
I just don't know where money for ID cards comes from.
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30 May 2005, 14:17
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Re: ID Card costs soar
This is, quite probably, the most confused thread we've ever had.
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30 May 2005, 15:16
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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Originally Posted by Stew
But he was implying he doesn't.
National Insurance gets allocate to particular things etc.
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They removed that distinction recently and NI payments are now put in with the of the tax income.
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Students aren't special. We still pay tax. If we earnt more than the tax-paying threshold then we would pay exactly the same as a non-student.
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Yes but he was just saying that he isn't currently paying towards it not which while obviously not strictly true VAT, which he would pay, makes up a smaller % of the budget than either NI or Income tax which make up just under 50% of the total budget together. So he isn't a significant contributor anyway.
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30 May 2005, 15:39
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Re: ID Card costs soar
What's going on?
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30 May 2005, 15:40
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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What are you talking about?
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people complaining about the government spending 'their money' on a specific thing they disagree with. it's a pet hate.
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30 May 2005, 15:43
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Re: ID Card costs soar
It seems like a perfectly valid complaint, given that it is their money.
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30 May 2005, 15:47
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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It seems like a perfectly valid complaint, given that it is their money.
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no, not really. it's public money but it isn't _THEIR MONEY_. objecting to all tax is one thing; objecting to 'my money being spent on insignificant expenditure x because i disagree with it and it alone' is plain silliness.
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30 May 2005, 15:53
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Re: ID Card costs soar
So if you support taxes, you can't complain if public money is spend on genocide?
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30 May 2005, 15:54
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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So if you support taxes, you can't complain if public money is spend on genocide?
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not really, no.
but that's a lot different from not being able to complain about genocide.
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30 May 2005, 16:02
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Re: ID Card costs soar
The only person that actually mentioned public money also complained of "an invasion of our privacy".
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30 May 2005, 16:04
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still complained about public money.
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30 May 2005, 16:10
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Re: ID Card costs soar
I tried to rob a bank so I could afford one of these things yesterday but this giant ID card stopped me before I went through the door
true story
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30 May 2005, 16:18
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Re: ID Card costs soar
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So if you support taxes, you can't complain if public money is spend on genocide?
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not really, no.
but that's a lot different from not being able to complain about genocide.
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I don't see anything wrong saying there are some things the government shouldn't be funding without objecting to them per se. For example, I have no objection to private money being spent supporting religious organizations, but I would object to public money being used for that purpose.
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30 May 2005, 18:58
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Re: ID Card costs soar
In returning to the main topic of the news article, the prices seem to have gone up. To quote the bbc
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Originally Posted by BBC News Web Site - 25 May
It will cost an estimated £93 to produce a combined passport and identity card. But the fees people will have to pay have not yet been set. It currently costs £42 for a new passport.
Cards could be free for under 16-year-olds and retired people above the age of 75, while those on low incomes could pay reduced rates.
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There probably won’t be the introduction of national identity cards and the compulsion of them. With the opposition party opposing it* and the Liberal Democrats opposing it, as well as 19 Labour MP’s who opposed it last time. The government killed the debate last time and they will kill it again. I doubt anyone needs to worry...yet.
*Unless they see a clear reason to support them which is cost effective to the public.
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