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Unread 30 Jun 2008, 02:13   #1
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give us it back !

At the moment you can go into vacation mode when you have attackers prelaunched on you, and when those fleets hit launch tick they auto recall !

This never used to be in place, a prelaunch was a prelaunch, you kept going and landed on the planet !

Give us the ability to prelaunch and land the planet BACK !

And to those Chicken *bleeps* who are so scared to loose their roids they are willing to go 3 days without resources and leave their galaxy mates to get roided without their defence help....

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Re: give us it back !

because prelaunching massive team ups on a single planet should be rewarded ?
The current system should stay because imagining the face of all those 'brave' planets seeing their fleets haven't launched when they wake up quietly for their eta4 jgp, is so funny.
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Re: give us it back !

no if someone really wants to use vacation it ****s them over as they cant even prelaunch fleets out.

i think its laughable when people do it and 3 days without res is punishment enough cause lets be honest they will probably be bashed whenout.
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Re: give us it back !

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At the moment you can go into vacation mode when you have attackers prelaunched on you, and when those fleets hit launch tick they auto recall !
you sure thats true? can anyone from PA Team comment on this? in the manual it states:
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You have the option of putting your planet into a vacation mode if you are going away. While your planet is in vacation mode you cannot be attacked, however you do not accumulate resources and cannot log into your planet for a duration of at least 72 ticks.
You cannot enter vacation mode if you have any fleets out or any fleets prelaunched.
But be careful! Prelaunched fleets are already on the way to your planet!
meaning prelaunched fleets still launch, but new ones can't.
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Re: give us it back !

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Re: give us it back !

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At the moment you can go into vacation mode when you have attackers prelaunched on you, and when those fleets hit launch tick they auto recall !

This never used to be in place, a prelaunch was a prelaunch, you kept going and landed on the planet !

Give us the ability to prelaunch and land the planet BACK !

And to those Chicken *bleeps* who are so scared to loose their roids they are willing to go 3 days without resources and leave their galaxy mates to get roided without their defence help....

words that would make a hooker blush that i cannot use on theese forums go through my mind !
So somehow going into vacation mode while you're away is cowardly, but getting the system to attack for you while you're away is not?

If you're going to launch on someone at least have the decency to do it while you're online.
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Re: give us it back !

Is it 'cowardly' to have a real life outside of PA?

I'm not sure that me going for an operation should be punished by me getting my entire fleet wiped out by prelaunched incomings.

I suppose it is rather cowardly to go for an operation, rather than man up and not have it.
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Re: give us it back !

Its abusable but the old system was a little unfair on those with legitimate reasons for going into vacation mode as it left you with the option of losing your ships to the prelaunches or risking sending the ships away and not going into vaction mode but standing a good chance of losing them another day while away. Its lose lose.

Atleast here legitimate vacation mode users arent punished and those abusing it lose 3 days of resources and can then be attacked later on. I would also hope that anyone using it too often thus abusing it would get closed by the MH
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Re: give us it back !

Either fix the manual or fix the game.

You could always go for a slightly different solution though. Allow prelaunched attackers to go ahead, but the defenders ships remain hidden and won't engage in combat. This way the defender won't lose ships (but will lose roids) and the attacker won't get an awful attack recalled message.
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Re: give us it back !

NO - lets get this straight ....

I am NOT berating those people who use vacation mode because they are away !

I am asking for the ability to land on vacation mode planets back because it is being abused.

and despite what the manual says .. it is happening
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Re: give us it back !

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Its abusable but the old system was a little unfair on those with legitimate reasons for going into vacation mode as it left you with the option of losing your ships to the prelaunches or risking sending the ships away and not going into vaction mode but standing a good chance of losing them another day while away. Its lose lose.

Atleast here legitimate vacation mode users arent punished and those abusing it lose 3 days of resources and can then be attacked later on. I would also hope that anyone using it too often thus abusing it would get closed by the MH
you forgot to mention having friends in pa-team means you dont lose ships
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NO - lets get this straight ....

I am NOT berating those people who use vacation mode because they are away !

I am asking for the ability to land on vacation mode planets back because it is being abused.

and despite what the manual says .. it is happening
So how do you suggest we protect those who are actually going on vacation? Your initial suggestion allows their round to be ruined.

Wakey's correct. The current system punishes those who abuse it - in vacation mode they don't grow for 3 days, whilst their attackers only lose out one night (but could re-aim anyway). In 3 days they can come back with a larger advantage. Meanwhile, genuine vacationers can keep an acceptable planet.

Allowing prelaunchers to land would prevent it being abused, but could ruin genuine people's rounds.

The safer bet is the current system.

Cancelling the prelaunches before they launch sounds like a slightly better way than we have currently though.
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Re: give us it back !

How's this: allow prelaunches on planets in vacation mode to land, but also allow people to send defence?
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How's this: allow prelaunches on planets in vacation mode to land, but also allow people to send defence?
I don't think this offers sufficient protection. Attackers could still crash or you could still not get defence - and you would be unable to run your fleet like you normally could.

The potential punishment to genuine vacationers is still high, & I don't think the higher punishment for 'cowards' justifies it.
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How's this: allow prelaunches on planets in vacation mode to land, but also allow people to send defence?
As Gate said its really not adequate imho, of the options presented here then Greapers idea of allowing them to launch BUT preventing the planets ships from going into battle is the only possible solution, although I would also say you would have to also hide all the construction also
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Re: give us it back !

We shouldn't let the actions of a minority change a feature that will hurt the majority who use it properly.

Yes it can be abused to prevent your planet being roided when you get prelaunch incomings, but there is a cost already of 72 ticks where you cannot do anything and as Benneh pointed out this is far more significant than being roided, 72 ticks without any resources and ability to attack or defend is a huge disadvantage and its actually stupid to go into vac mode to avoid incs.

If you changed it as Mist suggests, it would just hurt those who use it properly. I myself tend to go camping every couple of months over the weekend, and a couple rounds back I had the situation where I was going away for the weekend, the Friday I was heading off I had prelaunch incs on my jgp and in a couple of hours I would have no internet access, under Mist's suggested system my whole round would have ended because I wouldn't have been able to run my fleet if I went into vacation mode and thus I would have lost my whole fleet and all my roids.

Leave the system as is, the cost of vacation mode far outweighs the benefits for those who use it for the wrong reason.
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either way, a clarification in the manual for what really happens would be ace!
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Re: give us it back !

the current system of handling it is not good.


could the pelunched ships go back to base as soon as vacation mode is enabled ?
as at the moment they only get sent back when their prelaunch time ends and they actually go to launch !
this might give some players a chance to hit another planet that day rather than the next day, loosing 24hrs of action.
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Re: give us it back !

Misty, what you propose is the same as Gate has: the current system with the minor change of cancelling prelaunch fleets before "launch", i.e. when the mode is enabled.

This is the most viable and desirable solution imo.
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Thank you for your feedback, Zaejii. We are glad to tell you that we are under the progress of implementing these changes. It's being planned for round 38, while the manual re-writing progress is scheduled to be finished during rounds 88 and 89.
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Re: give us it back !

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Originally Posted by Mistwraith
the current system of handling it is not good.


could the pelunched ships go back to base as soon as vacation mode is enabled ?
as at the moment they only get sent back when their prelaunch time ends and they actually go to launch !
this might give some players a chance to hit another planet that day rather than the next day, loosing 24hrs of action.
Yea, I think that's a good idea.

And put it in the manual.

Sorted!
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Re: give us it back !

No. Not sorted. But it is a step in the right direction.
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