When's most of the universe going to wake up?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by B-Butch3r

Heh, very very good post.
If MISTU/FAnG where allied we would ofc beaten 1up/LCH wouldnt we?
I love being primary target btw

Now there is a nick i havent seen for a few rounds

Get on irc

[Methedrine]

@Chika: It is called situation analysis - not whining. Something that even your CEO Sid does, even though not in public like I did.

So, how did the situation develope? So far, 26 ticks after the post it seems like 1Up outgrew the universe for another night and is now about 10000 asteroids and roughly 10 million score in the lead. Good job at the top spot there
LCH, what's up? You lost a member and you are falling behind as well - slowly but steadily.
VSN grew less than their average growth the past days, seems like your main growth came from recruitment, not from attacks.
MISTU - seems to have recovered a bit last night, got a chance to take a breath? Guess you used it
ND / ROCK / FAnG - you guys seem out of the race, FAnG even seems to be completely dead now. Do something against it if you want to show some kind of quality as an alliance!

So what do I conclude? The opposition against the top alliance seems to be not working (yet) or not existing (yet). I think I will come back after the weekend for another more indepth analysis.

[Treveler]

In pax in the war aginast ecl/ely FAnG had a lead of over 11k roids at one time and we all know how that went. A 10k roid lead means nothing at this state.

[Chika]

Originally Posted by Treveler

In pax in the war aginast ecl/ely FAnG had a lead of over 11k roids at one time and we all know how that went. A 10k roid lead means nothing at this state.

Clean, cut, and to the point. Thank you. Some people are acting like the world ended.

[Morden]

Originally Posted by Vaio

Are you planning to log into your planet Morden or do we exile you ?

~Vaio~

I dont erm have a planet. Exile and Bash the fker whose using my name please. As it sure as hell is not me.

[Morden]

Originally Posted by Chika

Clean, cut, and to the point. Thank you. Some people are acting like the world ended.

The difference is however, that the reason FAnG lost the edge was more to do with the Command staff, than the members.

1up has a Command staff who are 100% commited and have shown that they will go all the way. This is something which often makes the difference between victory and defeat.

[Colt]

Originally Posted by Treveler

In pax in the war aginast ecl/ely FAnG had a lead of over 11k roids at one time and we all know how that went. A 10k roid lead means nothing at this state.

one subtle difference: I don't see 1up "disbanding" and ending up with members being roided due to them not being able to receive defence

[Colt]

oh, and any respect i had for 1up has been lost with Hicks and his trolls posting absolutely disgusting posts against Rumad..but i doubt you care

[Treveler]

Originally Posted by Colt

one subtle difference: I don't see 1up "disbanding" and ending up with members being roided due to them not being able to receive defence

The disbanding was more a result of fang losing then the couse of fang losing. There is a difference!

[Colt]

well, everyone was still up for the war until Command made that bizarre decision..
anyway, thats the past, lets look to the present...

[ComradeRob]

Originally Posted by Methedrine

@Chika: It is called situation analysis - not whining. Something that even your CEO Sid does, even though not in public like I did.

So, how did the situation develope? So far, 26 ticks after the post it seems like 1Up outgrew the universe for another night and is now about 10000 asteroids and roughly 10 million score in the lead. Good job at the top spot there

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.

In percentage terms, 1up's roid growth (4%) is slightly higher than LCH's (3%), the same as Vision's (4%) and less than ND's (5%).

These figures can be further put into perspective when you consider that high-roid planets probably can't mine all of their roids anyway. Even I can't, and I'm below 1up's average roid count. A better measure would actually be score growth - after all, the ranks are determined by score and not roid count. What we see here is 1up and LCH both growing 6% in average score, Vision growing slightly less at 5%, and ND growing at 8%. This hardly indicates that the top two alliances are growing at a rate much higher (if higher at all) than those below them.

LCH, what's up? You lost a member and you are falling behind as well - slowly but steadily.

The lost member seems to have been replaced, and LCH's average score grew at the same rate as 1up's.

VSN grew less than their average growth the past days, seems like your main growth came from recruitment, not from attacks.

Vision's growth was slightly slower than in recent days, but they have solidified their grip on 3rd place, moving further clear of MISTU. I don't think it's entirely fair to have a go at an alliance who are, so far, putting in a very respectable performance.

MISTU - seems to have recovered a bit last night, got a chance to take a breath? Guess you used it

MISTU's stats for the day seem to have been distorted slightly by the loss of a member - nevertheless, the remaining members posted an average 5% increase in score, though it might not be enough to stop ND from catching up to them.

ND / ROCK / FAnG - you guys seem out of the race, FAnG even seems to be completely dead now. Do something against it if you want to show some kind of quality as an alliance!

FAnG's apparent troubles are somewhat disappointing for a round-winning alliance. However it's not the first time this has happened, either to FAnG (their collapses are almost regular events), or to past round-winning alliances (I'd go so far as to list Eclipse in r9.5 as an example).

ND seem to be doing very well for themselves. For an alliance not seen as ruthless or even particularly competitive, they have been growing spectacularly in recent days, overtaking FAnG and closing fast on MISTU - proof perhaps that ND's no-nonsense approach works well in this kind of aggressive random round. Whereas other alliances have tried political manouevering, ND have just played the game and it seems to be paying off.

ROCK I don't know enough about to comment much, but both their average roid growth and average score growth exceeds that of any of the top 3 alliances for today. Again, hardly a sign of collapse.

If you're going to try to use statistics to support your argument, at least make sure that the statistics support your case before posting. I can forgive some of the errors simply because you posted too early in the day, before all of the night's battles had been resolved. Indeed, it's still possible that the picture will change again before the end of the day, invalidating everything we have both posted.

So what do I conclude? The opposition against the top alliance seems to be not working (yet) or not existing (yet). I think I will come back after the weekend for another more indepth analysis.

Why do you persist in trying to see the universe in terms of two sides? There is more to this game than 'us and them', and each alliance has its own priorities. You're mistaken (and somewhat arrogant) if you think that every alliance should do exactly what you say - especially as you haven't revealed your own position in this. 1up's members are at least honest enough to put their alliance tag in their signatures when they post, so people can take that into account when reading their posts. You, on the other hand, are posting under what I assume is a fake name, without revealing your alliance. Why on earth should anyone accept your interpretation of the current situation when you refuse to disclose your own interests in the debate?

Originally Posted by Forest

Now there is a nick i havent seen for a few rounds

Get on irc

Heh, i am on irc :P
Usely find me in #elysium :P

[Methedrine]

Originally Posted by ComradeRob

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.

In percentage terms, 1up's roid growth (4%) is slightly higher than LCH's (3%), the same as Vision's (4%) and less than ND's (5%).

First of all, a nice posting.

However, about you shouldn't just judge by the percentages. Take the absolute values which do indicate that 1Up is growing faster than the rest of the universe, which is just a logical consequence considering they are bigger than anyone else on roids.

Originally Posted by ComradeRob

If you're going to try to use statistics to support your argument, at least make sure that the statistics support your case before posting. I can forgive some of the errors simply because you posted too early in the day, before all of the night's battles had been resolved. Indeed, it's still possible that the picture will change again before the end of the day, invalidating everything we have both posted.

Agreed. Guess why I am coming back some time monday afternoon with a fresh indepth analysis.

Originally Posted by ComradeRob

Why do you persist in trying to see the universe in terms of two sides? There is more to this game than 'us and them', and each alliance has its own priorities. You're mistaken (and somewhat arrogant) if you think that every alliance should do exactly what you say - especially as you haven't revealed your own position in this. 1up's members are at least honest enough to put their alliance tag in their signatures when they post, so people can take that into account when reading their posts. You, on the other hand, are posting under what I assume is a fake name, without revealing your alliance. Why on earth should anyone accept your interpretation of the current situation when you refuse to disclose your own interests in the debate?

I am not trying to split the universe into two particular sides apart from the leading alliance (whoever that may be in the future, however, currently it is 1Up) and the rest. What I am doing here is simply analyzing the situation, with the pure interest of showing everyone how it developed and how it will most likely develope in case things won't change. So the only aim I have is helping every alliance with delivering a rather good situation analysis on the one hand and showing them possible options to adapt to it on the other.
Nobody has to follow what I say, it is after all a simple forum discussion I started. Don't you as well think it is interesting to have a rather objective view on things? However, I assume that most alliances in the top 5 or top 10 alliance ranking are aiming for the place at the sun (or at an equally good ranking considering each alliance's ability to become #1, again judged by the statistics).

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[ComradeRob]

Originally Posted by Methedrine

First of all, a nice posting.

However, about you shouldn't just judge by the percentages. Take the absolute values which do indicate that 1Up is growing faster than the rest of the universe, which is just a logical consequence considering they are bigger than anyone else on roids.

Let's imagine I have 110 roids, and you have 100. If I grow by 5% per day, then after a week I have 154 roids. If you grow by 7% per day, you have 160 roids. The person with the higher percentage growth will always eventually overtake the person with the lower percentage growth.

Since 1up actually has the second-lowest percentage growth in average score of the top 5 alliances (only MISTU grew more slowly), we can conclude that three of the top five alliances actually gained ground on 1up during today. It might be only a small closing of the gap, but it does prove that 1up are not accelerating away from the rest.

The absolute roid/score growth numbers are often misleading, especially on days when alliances gain or lose members. The average roid and score values give a better picture of the overall performance of the alliance.

Agreed. Guess why I am coming back some time monday afternoon with a fresh indepth analysis.

I look forward to reading that

I am not trying to split the universe into two particular sides apart from the leading alliance (whoever that may be in the future, however, currently it is 1Up). What I am doing here is simply analyzing the situation, with the pure interest of showing everyone how it developed and how it will most likely develope in case things won't change. So the only aim I have is helping every alliance with delivering a rather good situation analysis on the one hand and showing them possible options to adapt to it on the other.

No analysis of the situation is 100% objective though - as we have already seen, the statistics can be used to 'prove' two completely different conclusions. And I think most alliances are able to judge the situation for themselves... the statistics are publicly available, the alliance rankings are there for everyone to see, and I doubt that any serious alliance needs to be told how well or badly they are doing by someone who only signed up a forum account a few days ago

Nobody has to follow what I say, it is after all a simple forum discussion I started. Don't you as well think it is interesting to have a rather objective view on things? However, I assume that most alliances in the top 5 or top 10 alliance ranking are aiming for the place at the sun (or at an equally good ranking considering each alliance's ability to become #1, again judged by the statistics).

I'm still not convinced that you are an objective observer. If you were objective, you would post using your real name - the only reason to hide your identity is to hide your bias. When I post I have to accept the fact that some people will choose to disagree with me just because they don't like my alliance, and will choose to see my posts as propaganda regardless of the truth of what I say. I think it would be a much more fair and honest debate if you did the same.

[Methedrine]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

What, your cruddy attempt at trying to tell alliances to hit 1up, while pretending to sound like an unbiased observer?

I am telling alliances to battle the #1 - no matter which alliance that currently is.
If 1Up should have a problem with being #1 then they shouldn't be it, simple.

If LCH or MISTU or NewDawn or VSN or whoever else would be #1 alliance then I'd point out that something should be done against them.

I don't see anything wrong with asking people to compete.

[Banned]

Originally Posted by Methedrine

I am telling alliances to battle the #1 - no matter which alliance that currently is.

If 1Up should have a problem with being #1 then they shouldn't be it, simple.

Isn't it natural that 1up post against this sentiment, no matter what their arguments*? I mean, you're basically telling everyone to gang up on them.

If LCH or MISTU or NewDawn or VSN or whoever else would be #1 alliance then I'd point out that something should be done against them.

I don't see anything wrong with asking people to compete.

Asking people to gang up on #1 and asking them to compete aren't the same thing.

*Arguments, a mod should come ban Hicks, Rumand and a few others for a week or two.

[Blacknova]

Originally Posted by Methedrine

I am telling alliances to battle the #1 - no matter which alliance that currently is.
If 1Up should have a problem with being #1 then they shouldn't be it, simple.

If LCH or MISTU or NewDawn or VSN or whoever else would be #1 alliance then I'd point out that something should be done against them.

I don't see anything wrong with asking people to compete.

You wouldn't happen to play Risk would you?

"Omg, Red has taken NA, he's too big, someone stop him before he pwns us all!!"

... 30 minutes later....

"Green holds australia, we're doomed, green has won, gg"

Vader, that wouldn't be you hiding in there would it?

Nova

[Gerbie]

Atm green is holding Asia, piling up fresh armies and nobody seems to be able to stop him.

[Chika]

/me shakes head. Truely sad.

[Gerbie]

You can attack his person, but you have to admit he's right.

[jerome]

hah @ JBG. I bet he doesn't hugely like moderating 2 AD's which are both utterly wank .

[Jackal2112]

Originally Posted by Gerbie

You can attack his person, but you have to admit he's right.

It's all about perceptions isn't it?

heh, using the precent is pretty stupid... if it where sid himself saying that, it would been good :P
But, if your 10mill over all other alliance, and if you and the alliance under you both grew 10mill it dosent mean that the lower alliance are growing as mutch as you :P

[ComradeRob]

Originally Posted by Gerbie

Atm green is holding Asia, piling up fresh armies and nobody seems to be able to stop him.

Green holds Europe. Blue holds North America, and Red holds Africa. Yellow holds Australia and is trying to break out. Grey and Purple both hold bits of Asia and South America, but they are both still being attacked by the others.

I'm sure you can figure out who is who.

[Gerbie]

Obviously we disagree on the continent Green holds. I know blue is holding North America, but it's not Asia...

[fbd]

I wonder if Sids original 'proposal' can be considered as a tactic rather than a serious suggestion. This entire moral crusade against blocks has given 1up a headstart that in all honesty that has left the game with two options, do nothing and face stagnation and boredom or do something and ally and have a bit of fun.

The inevitable will happen, people don't like losing. That'spartly a reason why 1up are so against blocks. With a clear lead and without getting targetted with organisation by greater numbers then losing is lot less likely.

[Banned]

Originally Posted by fbd

The inevitable will happen, people don't like losing. That'spartly a reason why 1up are so against blocks. With a clear lead and without getting targetted with organisation by greater numbers then losing is lot less likely.

I doubt that. Sid (who I'm sure has final call on all of 1up's decisions) has been severely outgunned in previous rounds, and done well with many of the same people that are now in 1up (and against many of the people in 1up).