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Unread 15 Oct 2012, 19:51   #1
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Salvage as of Round 49

Hi all,
there have been a lot of salvage changes. A key change has been made as of Round 49 (...not dissimilar to the change made in Round 48).


I'll try and explain what these changes are and how they affect players, as well as I can.


Round 48 and before
Currently (Round 48 and before), we have stealing as follows:
-ship gets stolen
-stealing ship dies
-salvage gets generated from stealing ship, which has been marked as "killed"

This means that, when defending, only the stealer gets the salvage. When attacking, the defender whose ships get stolen gets less salvage than they would if they were killed.

This is a fairly big boost for the stealing races, mainly Zik, and means that other races (especially Cathaar) suffer when co-defending.

Round 49 and after
We will have stealing as follows:
-ship gets stolen
-stealing ship dies
-salvage gets generated from stolen ship
-stealing ship still gets marked as "killed" but does not contribute to salvage.

This means:
Defenders who are defending along side steal ships will now get some salvage when attacker ships are stolen
When you have your ships stolen, you will get more salvage (twice as much) and it will be in your m:c:e ratios rather than that of the zik ship dying.


Salvage formula
Done for metal - crystal/eonium is similar

Metal Salvage
((attacking_ships_killed*metal_cost_of_ships) + (attacking_ships_stolen*metal_cost_of_ships)) * attacker_salvage_rate * (defending_fleet_value/total_defending_value)*(1+race_bonus/100)

+
((fleet_defending_ships_killed-fleet_defending_ships_lost_from_stealing)*metal_cost_of_ships)*defender_salvage_rate * (1+race_bonus/100)

This is capped at:
(original_fleet_value-remaining_alive_value-value_stolen_by_fleet)*100* (metal_salvage_calculated/(metal_salvage_calculated+crystal_salvage_calculated+eonium_salvage_calculated)) * [take maximum of 1.01 or (your_planet_score/average_top20_planet_score)]

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Re: Salvage as of Round 49

I thought the score/top20score part of the equation had been removed?

(P.S. Add some spaces in those equations, they're deforming the page)
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Re: Salvage as of Round 49

The bonus has been removed (there used to be an additional factor in calcing both attacking/defending salvages that increased salvage by a factor of [max of 1.00 or (your_planet_score/average_top20_planet_score) ] )


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Re: Salvage as of Round 49

ok .. so as i understand it :
The owners of EMP ships firing alongside the owners of Stealing ships will now get salvage if the steal ships steals in the process of a defensive action.
The owners of Stealing ships will not get any salvage if their ships steal in the process of the defensive action.

What happens if the steal ships are killed in the process of defending without stealing ? will salvage be normal ?
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Re: Salvage as of Round 49

the owners of stealing ships will also get salvage, but it will be salvage of attacking ships (at attacker salvage rate) based on their percentage of the total value rather than salvage of all stolen ships at defence salvage rate.

steal ships killed as normal salvage as normal.
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Re: Salvage as of Round 49

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Re: Salvage as of Round 49

so when etd emp ships with no loss will we still see 0 salvage for etd n crap loads for the races that killed off all the value even though etd emp'd it all like last round?
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Re: Salvage as of Round 49

Yes. EMP is fairly strong this round, but at a cost of no salvage.
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