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[K03N]

why do i have +-150m points (planetscore) attacking me?
THREE top50 players ffs.
if my gal was involved in that big war of yours, i could understand it.
but you're now attacking a gal where about 2 people have an alliance, the rest doesn't even have one (incl me).
get some guts and attack your enemies plz, chickens.

[BetrayerOfHope]

hmm sorry for u
but our enemys decided to give us a day rest and so u are their victim now ...

[logbat]

you have a planet with nearly 2k roids and you come here telling ppl you dont have an alliance?? thats like a another way of asking come see me.

but sorry for your losses to come

and we just have to say thanks for the day off to fury/fang

[Axis_WLF]

TFD

[K03N]

i left TFD 2 weeks ago.
update.

[Axis_WLF]

how come?

[K03N]

i went on holidays, lost =1k roids and much score, and still was the biggest.
+ my m8's left (glatze, dafsam, lazyD etc). without them i dont have fun there.

[G.K Zhukov]

Axis, read your board pm

[Axis_WLF]

spaceba

[Carlyy]

It does indeed seem like mega-overkill. Is this what Fury are reduced to now? Sending massive overkill? Such blunt and n00bish tactics are surely beneath you Fury.

I remember when you used to make precision attacks that were a work of art. Look at you now.

[Frozenblade]

Hey

Its a overkill attack, typical people who has to many ships and to little knowledge of the game. 100k ships on 5 mill planets, lol.

Its all over the gal, not just on you m8, typical Fury, or some Fury battle group as there are different people in there.

I see there are one UV member in there to, or should I say former UV member, we don't like traitors in UV, good luck with that planet growth traitor we will be coming over to pick up those roids .


Frozenblade
BC
Ultra Violence

[cypher]

heh it's normal pa....you got roids....so people take em just cuz you aint in any decent alliance doesn't mean you can keep those roids to yourself and no-0ne attacking...i really can't see the problem:/ if someone just sends 1 fleet at you...everyone can def it...so nuthin more then logical that a few guys team up:/

[Denniz]

not really smart to start thread about it during the hit.
Now only more ppl will launch, so they can try to get some free roids.

[hAl]

They use that tactics more often then not. Yesterday I saw Darki attack a planet one third his size but acompagnied by 3 or 4 planets who were also bigger than the target. Something like 70m of planets attacking a 13m one.

First I thought it was to give Darki roids and thought it was kind of lame to do so but it seems they actually shared the roids so it is probably standard Fury attack tactics. The bullying tactics often work though so I guess there is little wrong with it except you needd a load of effort for the amount of roids gained.

Indeed Fury seemed to have moved away from attacking Titans/LDK cause this target seemed allied to FanG so I guess they are now preying for roids only to recover before turning back to the war.

hAl

[SilverSmoke]

dont you guys see a pattern?

unsuccessfully launching on their enemy's biggest planets, unable to defend against incomings on their own biggest planets, attacking smaller 'neutral' targets.. it's kinda obvious no?

[cypher]

Originally posted by hAl
They use that tactics more often then not. Yesterday I saw Darki attack a planet one third his size but acompagnied by 3 or 4 planets who were also bigger than the target. Something like 70m of planets attacking a 13m one.

First I thought it was to give Darki roids and thought it was kind of lame to do so but it seems they actually shared the roids so it is probably standard Fury attack tactics. The bullying tactics often work though so I guess there is little wrong with it except you needd a load of effort for the amount of roids gained.

Indeed Fury seemed to have moved away from attacking Titans/LDK cause this target seemed allied to FanG so I guess they are now preying for roids only to recover before turning back to the war.

hAl

one of the smart things yeh once said i think.....
it's better to get SOME roids every day then fail 6 out of 7 times and get 1 good hit per week:/

[Carlyy]

Originally posted by cyphie


one of the smart things yeh once said i think.....
it's better to get SOME roids every day then fail 6 out of 7 times and get 1 good hit per week:/

Indeed a sign that Fury are struggling.

[ComradeRob]

I think this thread has taken the average intelligence level of AD down a few notches :\

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
I think this thread has taken the average intelligence level of AD down a few notches :\

Silversmoke's post was good. And 100% accurate.

[Hardin]

Maybe this attack does show something about Fury's situation and I can understand why K03N wud be pissed off.

HOWEVER - all this thread will in do is encourage people like Hicks/Zh|l to flame in return. I am sure Fury can find enuff examples of other alliances doing similar things...

Does that mean they are all struggling or does it mean they are going for easy roids?

This is therefore pointless to some extent...

[Spearhead]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
I think this thread has taken the average intelligence level of AD down a few notches :\

we didnt start the fire !! it was always burning since the worlds been turning ! Comradebob go flame somewhere else, evil MOD

[hinch]

Originally posted by K03N



why do i have +-150m points (planetscore) attacking me?
THREE top50 players ffs.
if my gal was involved in that big war of yours, i could understand it.
but you're now attacking a gal where about 2 people have an alliance, the rest doesn't even have one (incl me).
get some guts and attack your enemies plz, chickens.

theyre titans/ldk coords same people attacked me about 3 days ago

[Frozenblade]

They are not, most are Fury, 2 are UV, fool, get some good intel or keep your mouth closed.

Those are most Fury, and belive me, we don't like it any off us.

Frozenblade

[Scouse]

Originally posted by hinchles


theyre titans/ldk coords same people attacked me about 3 days ago

They are FAnG and Fury.

So either you got hit by FAnG/Fury, or you don't want to admit that your 'side' is too busy going for easy roids while a number of your top players are being roided.

Go ask ivoSF if you don't believe me, he's attacking there.

Originally posted by hinchles

theyre titans/ldk coords same people attacked me about 3 days ago

Is this the state of play with your tek hinch that you cannot determine your own players ? or some pathetic attempt at propeganda.. either way I would say you just made a fool of yourself......yet again

[Razorback]

Originally posted by K03N
why do i have +-150m points (planetscore) attacking me?
THREE top50 players ffs.
if my gal was involved in that big war of yours, i could understand it.
but you're now attacking a gal where about 2 people have an alliance, the rest doesn't even have one (incl me).
get some guts and attack your enemies plz, chickens.

OMG OMG OMG someone gets roids ;/ That cant be true, someone attacks a 16 mio planet with 2k roids how unfair.

Pardon how have u gotten those roids ? all initiated ? U attacked other ppl to get them, and actually like i see it there might be a missunderstanding because they cap a fk all and some attackers already pulled from the newsscan i saw, btw had that last week aswell in my own gal with a titans / virus attack, not coordinated but 1 tick apart, The virus boys pulled when they realised they wouldnt get a single roid by overkilling the titans boys (how nice of them). So poor you that you lost roids but thats how the game goes. And to all those who claim Any side is not wasting ships like that, maybe a newsscan on laketchup. I wonder why the biggest planet in the universe has to attack with 10 other big and medium planets and he is the only one who stays and gets roids.
Its called preventing defence. Also i think some of the fury / fang cries are wrong, accordint to my knowledge Glatze and some others are your m8s, which would make it farming or red defence in the best case. So please dont come here with big accusations while you get yourself even hit by your own "friends".

And its not even titans fault that you have no alliance

Greet Glatze btw

[Razorback]

Originally posted by Frozenblade
Hey

Its a overkill attack, typical people who has to many ships and to little knowledge of the game. 100k ships on 5 mill planets, lol.

Its all over the gal, not just on you m8, typical Fury, or some Fury battle group as there are different people in there.

I see there are one UV member in there to, or should I say former UV member, we don't like traitors in UV, good luck with that planet growth traitor we will be coming over to pick up those roids .


Frozenblade
BC
Ultra Violence

^^ you have no clue about the game yourself my friend because a) the target is not 5 mil, its 17 mil and b) 100k ships are very easy to create, 100k FI cost ? -> 6-15 mio score

hehe and on the 2nd part how can an UV member be a traitor by hitting a Person without any alliance like K3on said ?
IF u have no ties, you cant brake any rules by attacking him or ?
UV logic

[Akallabeth]

any1 thought this could be a case of 'oh, fk ... some1 esle has launched on that target, too' ?

coincidence, target-grabbing fkup ... could be many things


oh, on another note: a little overkill goes a long way this round. there aren't any n00bs to bash, and the possibility is large that any planets above approximately 7 mil are in a decent alliance who WILL defend. When attacking u not only have to get past the targets fleet, but also the alliances defence which will be sent .... or make it too painfull to defend

[Frozenblade]

its red defence and as you can see he is also defending, only the Fury/Fang lead bg in there.

[Frozenblade]

Originally posted by Razorback


^^ you have no clue about the game yourself my friend because a) the target is not 5 mil, its 17 mil and b) 100k ships are very easy to create, 100k FI cost ? -> 6-15 mio score

Lol, yea, well take a look at the rest of the planets, not only the single one. Like #8 , it had 100k ships, and was 5.7 mill.

The attackers where 6 mill/25mill/2.9 mill, but whatever

[K-W]

The big irony is that this type of "low-skill" attack is exactly how la ketchup gets roids.

Since when were points awarded for the 'skill' of attacks?

Roids taken and damage done are what count

[Razorback]

As someone said a conincidental launch of 2 BG'S on the same target galaxy (unlike k3on claimed) would lead to what ? massive overkill, because every side suspects to be alone on the target and to be preventing defence there. An easy way to prove that would be to calculate if the attackers would get together accounted with their roiding fleets full 15'% if every attacker landed with all his roiders. If this number falls below 10% u can guess that this gal was doublebooked. The launchtime indicates after my assumptions 5.55 and 6.55 which wouldnt make much sense unless one BG is completely Xan. which of all scans i made wasnt the case. So after some words with tot/fang i found out it was a ****up launch. /me shrugs poor guys in that gal ;/

On the other hand noone having glatze red-defending him and his gal getting defence on some planets can cry innocence and pureness. this aint r3 with tons of newbies and tons of victims you payed for a hardcore round so exspect a hardcore round.

[K03N]

i think they fear me
monday i had 70m planetscore attacking me, saw it at ETA5 and could cover it with help of friends, didn't even need an alliance. 150m is too much tho...didnt even try it, tried to get an overkill but i dont think its working out that well.
ah well, think i have to start roiding again then for the next 2 weeks. and i'll go searching for some good alliance cuz after today i have lost +2k roids in total for this round. it's too much...

[SilverSmoke]

Originally posted by Hoopy
Since when were points awarded for the 'skill' of attacks?

Roids taken and damage done are what count

you know Fury always win their rounds in style dont you?

[K03N]

no seriously razorback and others. i can imagine you guys being pissed off because you simply can't handle Titans/LDK, but just TRY to fight back (like Xanadu R7 for example). ofc you need to attack neatrals also when they are juicy enough, but why wasting so much ships on them? don't you cap way more with a well organised attack on a topgal? (and most topgals are your enemies so that's perfect).



(you guys miss legion aye?)

[cypher]

i still don't see the point in this....
it happens every day ffs....all attacks on people of 15 mil + are done with overkill attacks like this..
just cuz you aint in an alliance (fury/fang/titans/ldk) doesn't mean any of those can't hit you cuz you aint at war....it's quite sad and lame to think so:/ and to complain about it on ad is even worse....
if fury took roids of you...well done to fury:/ nuthin more nuthin less...:/

ow and p.s. those attacking scores...it aint that much at all:/

[Akallabeth]

Originally posted by K03N
no seriously razorback and others. i can imagine you guys being pissed off because you simply can't handle Titans/LDK, but just TRY to fight back (like Xanadu R7 for example). ofc you need to attack neatrals also when they are juicy enough, but why wasting so much ships on them? don't you cap way more with a well organised attack on a topgal? (and most topgals are your enemies so that's perfect).



(you guys miss legion aye?)

nope. you EVENTUALLY cap more after u have destroyed the defence base for the top gals and can therefore realistically consider hitting a top gal without gettin the attack 100% covered, whilst using sensible amounts of fleets

---> small gals 1st

[Killerbij]

Originally posted by Akallabeth
any1 thought this could be a case of 'oh, fk ... some1 esle has launched on that target, too' ?

coincidence, target-grabbing fkup ... could be many things

I did

[K03N]

i dont't think this it's very smart to attack people who might join your side some time. when you are the weakest side, you need more people. these people are often recruited in the neutral camp.
i don't think my gal will ever defend a Fury/FAnG target again. TTTT for example was defended by my gal some days ago, now he's attacked by UV (and others).
and whenever i can rape a Fury/FAnG target, you bet i will do that. tbh, i hoped Fury/FAnG would have beaten Titans cuz i dont like titans this much. actions like this made me change my mind.

[Kinley]

well there were two attacks on your planet. 1 fury the other my BG! Fury get most of our ppl to recall their fleets so that they´ll get free roids there..

[Knight Theamion]

K03N wtf do you expect ?

'I am nice so let me keep the roids?'

personally i would've let a kill fleet land every 3rd tick on you and l33ch you dry for 12 ticks.

This attack works, since almost all other attacks on 'decent' targets fail (i should know, i have been one for a very long time)

You got roided by one side, i expect the otherside to step by soonish too.

I wanna ask you why this tactic is worse then the one you have been practicing all round???
Launching 3 overburn attack on 3 different inactive-planets in one gal is somehow a better tactic in your eyes??

[kyrealean]

Its really very simple, back in the days of 100k players, people would actually gain roids by sending precision roid fleets at people that were offline, roids could be gained relatively easy and with little chance of defense or fleet loss, not to mention allowing the target a very good chance of keeping his fleet intact which is the #1 reason people stay in the game if they get attacked. (as long as the fleet survives, i still can recover from losing roids)

However now these days, after p2p and 4 1/2 rounds of major alliances tactics moving away from the precision fleets and into sending massive overkill plus roid fleets to try and "scare" the target into fleeing and if he happened to not come online then tough cookies, bye bye fleet then send in follow up pods, which has pushed the player base from 100k to less than 10k (pld job everyone)

Most players have left this game far behind, and its a shame but its the players own fault. U wanted to kill someones fleet just for the sake of roids and alliance pride, but what u didnt realize is that everyone that u killed off and roided would most of the time just resign from the game or not play actively anymore, hence dropping the player base further and further which in turn has made attacking that much more difficult to get thru on people.... less targets, better chance of the target being in an alliance, better chance of getting covered.

[Saitam]

Originally posted by Akallabeth



nope. you EVENTUALLY cap more after u have destroyed the defence base for the top gals and can therefore realistically consider hitting a top gal without gettin the attack 100% covered, whilst using sensible amounts of fleets

---> small gals 1st

But wouldn't it be better for Fury/Fang to target hostile small galaxies instead of neutral/friendly ones?

(or are they trying to kill of the defence for their own members?)

[Akallabeth]

Originally posted by Saitam


But wouldn't it be better for Fury/Fang to target hostile small galaxies instead of neutral/friendly ones?

(or are they trying to kill of the defence for their own members?)

roids are roids ....


afaik Ko3n has attacked Fang planets in the past, so i dont see anything wrong with the attack

[Desse]

Originally posted by hinchles



theyre titans/ldk coords same people attacked me about 3 days ago

Are you really that clueless ?

Or are you just throwing some more propaganda on the boards, to save your alliance from this public attack ?

[ComradeRob]

Originally posted by kyrealean
Its really very simple, back in the days of 100k players, people would actually gain roids by sending precision roid fleets at people

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'precision roid fleets' you mention usually involved sending 45% of the target's score in pods, and topping it up to 50% with a few cargoships and daggers

I think the basic problem is that the average player skill/tactical awareness is a lot higher now. There are not very many planets out there with really bad fleet composition to exploit, nor are there many planets without some kind of alliance. If you're in the top 100, most of your available targets are going to be pretty difficult to get roids from, hence the need for overkill tactics

[K03N]

i just think it's quite sad that an alliance as Fury needs 3 top50 players and 7 others assistants to take down one 16m guy who is still in the arbiter as 'TFD'.
call me crazy, but i think that's a waste of E.
anyway i'll be back soon enough i think. (i'm still bigger than the average '1337' Fury player ).

[kyrealean]

Originally posted by ComradeRob


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'precision roid fleets' you mention usually involved sending 45% of the target's score in pods, and topping it up to 50% with a few cargoships and daggers

I think the basic problem is that the average player skill/tactical awareness is a lot higher now. There are not very many planets out there with really bad fleet composition to exploit, nor are there many planets without some kind of alliance. If you're in the top 100, most of your available targets are going to be pretty difficult to get roids from, hence the need for overkill tactics

Precision roid fleets are fleets that let u gain what you want the most (roids) without killing your target while taking acceptable losses for the roids.

the Dagger/Cargo/Pod fleet was the fleet of choice in Rd3. the Phoenix/Wraith/Pod fleet was Rd4's favorite composition for much of the round and so on and so forth.

The beauty of these fleets and 1 of the reasons it was prefered among the higher skilled Planetarion players from earlier rounds was that it allowed the target to survive a raid albiet alot of roids lighter than before, provided you got through (target gets little or no defense) and u didnt drive the target to quit, hence u could come back a week or so later and roid again as he usually would regain his losses. a nice give/take relationship though sometimes your target would get revenge upon u thru his alliance or friends, which added a nice touch to the game. It also allowed the attacker to have fleet available to defend his alliance wherever needed, which overkill tactics dont.

The sad fact is however, that many people cannot or will not use this tactic anymore due to the super small universe, the activity of the remaining players and alliance organization.

I will concede that overkill fleets are a necessity now due to the above factors, but it also shows you that this game is not for anyone but people that have super amounts of time to dedicate to his planet, or have a great collection of galaxy mates that will actually report your situation to your alliance and are willing to help each other in times of need.

Its evolution of the game, i was just pointing that out tbh, PA used to be a game most people could enjoy, but now its only for hardcore people that take PA too seriously. Hence the small numbers of planets, and the ultimate death of Planetarion as we know it.