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Unread 6 May 2005, 10:35   #51
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Re: [UK] Election Results

George chose a seat, with well known and publicised racial tensions, he then set out to play on those tensions and increase the divisions in the community for his own self gratification.

This seat is one of the poorest in the country with high levels of unemployment, IF he had run a campaign promising to address these issues, the vitally important issues for the rejuvenation of that area i would have no quarrel with him. Instead he decided to appeal to the voters base instincts and do nothing to bridge the gaps between the community.

There isnt a hope in hell of him doing anything to help that constituency.
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Re: [UK] Election Results

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George chose a seat, with well known and publicised racial tensions, he then set out to play on those tensions and increase the divisions in the community for his own self gratification.

This seat is one of the poorest in the country with high levels of unemployment, IF he had run a campaign promising to address these issues, the vitally important issues for the rejuvenation of that area i would have no quarrel with him. Instead he decided to appeal to the voters base instincts and do nothing to bridge the gaps between the community.

There isnt a hope in hell of him doing anything to help that constituency.
MPs aren't really supposed to "help" their constituencies - they're supposed to represent them in Parliament. The issues you claim he should be addressing are a matter for local councils.
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Oh please, he fought his entire campaign on Iraq, anyone that says different is either naive or just plain stupid.
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It was completely irresponsible of George to use Iraq as he did and to the extent he did in a constituency with extreme racial tension.
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Instead he decided to appeal to the voters base instincts and do nothing to bridge the gaps between the community.
As opposed to Ms King who allegedly deleted references to "Muslims" in her pamplhets to white areas.

As for divisions, I disagree. Galloway's support came from across the community. He didn't stoke up racial tensions - far from it. His support came from trade unions (predominantely white in some instances), the old remants of the white working class in the area and Muslims. Hardly appealing to one demographic. If the "racial" tension was so bad then why the hell would Asians vote for a white candidate? I think you're mistaking racial tension with political dissatisfaction.

And as Proteus said, what you outline is what the Local Authority should be doing. MPs are supposed to be national representatives, not local ones. My MP (Tessa Jowell) in her campaign materials made almost zero reference to purely local issues.
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Georg Galloway is a faggot fyi
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JP: We're joined now from his count in Bethnal Green and Bow by George Galloway. Mr Galloway, are you proud of having got rid of one of the very few black women in Parliament?
GG: What a preposterous question. I know it's very late in the night, but wouldn't you be better starting by congratulating me for one of the most sensational election results in modern history?
JP: Are you proud of having got rid of one of the very few black women in Parliament?
GG: I'm not - Jeremy - move on to your next question.
JP: You're not answering that one?
GG: No because I don't believe that people get elected because of the colour of their skin. I believe people get elected because of their record and because of their policies. So move on to your next question.
JP: Are you proud -
GG: Because I've got a lot of people who want to speak to me.
JP: - You -
GG: If you ask that question again, I'm going, I warn you now.
JP: Don't try and threaten me Mr Galloway, please.
GG: You're the one who's trying to badger me.
JP: I'm not trying to badger you, I'm merely trying to ask if you're proud at having driven out of Parliament one of the very few black women there, a woman you accuse of having on her conscience 100,000 people.
GG: Oh well there's no doubt about that one. There's absolutely no doubt that all those New Labour MPs who voted for Mr Blair and Mr Bush's war have on their hands the blood of 100,000 people in Iraq, many of them British soldiers, many of them American soldiers, most of them Iraqis and that's a more important issue than the colour of her skin.
JP: Absolutely, because you then went on to say "including a lot of women who had blacker faces than her"
GG: Absolutely right, absolutely right. So don't try and tell me I should feel guilty about one of the most sensational election results in modern electoral history.
JP: I put it to you Mr Galloway that Nick Raynsford had you to a T when he said you were a "demagogue".
GG: Sorry?
JP: Nick Raynsford. You know who I mean? Nick Raynsford. Labour MP?
GG: No, I don't know who you mean.
JP: Never heard of him.
GG: I've never heard of Nick Raynsford, no.
JP: What else haven't you heard of?
GG: Well, I've been in Parliament a long time...
JP: He was a Parliamentary colleague of yours until very recently.
GG: Well, most of them just blend one into the other, Jeremy, they're largely a spineless, a supine bunch.
JP: Have you ever heard of Tony Banks?
GG: Yes I have, yes.
JP: Right, Tony Banks was sitting here five minutes ago, and he said that you were behaving inexcusably, that you had deliberately chosen to go to that part of London and to exploit the latent racial tensions there.
GG: You are actually conducting one of the most - even by your standards - one of the most absurd interviews I have ever participated in. I have just won an election. Can you find it within yourself to recognise that fact? To recognise the fact that the people of Bethnal Green and Bow chose me this evening. Why are you insulting them?
JP: I'm not insulting them, I'm not insulting you
GG: You are insulting them, they chose me just a few minutes ago. Can't you find it within yourself even to congratulate me on this victory?
JP: Congratulations, Mr Galloway.
GG: Thank you very much indeed. [Waves, removes microphone]
say what you like about Galloway *pauses for the obscenities* but you have to salute his indefatigability
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Paxman for Prime Minister.

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The Paxman-Galloway interview was indeed golden.

I'm rather pleased that Galloway got in tbh. At least it gives us the pleasure of being able to thrash him next time around.
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Paxman comes across as a bit of a twat I agree.

"Who else haven't you heard of?" - what the hell sort of question is that? What's an appropriate answer? "Your mum"?

"Are you proud of having got rid of one of the very few black women in Parliament?" is the political equivalent of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" for goodness sake.
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The Paxman-Galloway interview was indeed golden.

I'm rather pleased that Galloway got in tbh. At least it gives us the pleasure of being able to thrash him next time around.
if this is a promise of more corporal punishment when dealing with MPs then absolutely. Could you add Mark 'THATCHER THATCHER THATCHER' Lancaster to the bill too please?
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It's true, the Commons has grown a lot more brutal recently. It's all due to the lack of respect in society these days. George will probably be gang raped by Ann Widdecombe and Bill Cash when he gets back.
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Somehow they've managed, three times in a row, to gain less seats than Micheal Foot did in 1983. I'd call that something of an achievement, personally.
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( Dari romped home on about a six thousand majority, so I don't know what all the fuss was about. The Gazette tells me that they had "trouble bringing the ballot boxes into the building.", so your guess is as good as mine. Typical Stocktonian efficency and organisation, as ever.)
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I think the Conservatives did rather well (ie. not collapsing and beginning to show signs of 'rebirth'). They were never going to win. The Liberal Democrats were, and are, vastly overhyped. Labour got in on the back of so-called economic stability; and, I think, because Tony Blair still stands out as the party leader most would prefer to be PM, despite Iraq.
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Oh come on. There was talk of a Tory 'meltdown' after a decidedly bad few years (IDS, anyone?). If the Guardian admits this, you should.

Of course, this article also bears witness to Thatcher's dementia.
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Yes but NO MORE people voted for them in this election than in the last election, its crazy that can be classed as success!
But thanks to our electoral system this barely matters. I heard a factoid that more people voted for the Labour Party under Neil Kinnock in '92 than voted Labour this election (cba to check if it's true or not) which tells you something.

The largest single "block" of the potential electorate remains the same as in 2001 : Those who didn't wish to express a preference for any of the parties on offer.
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Yes but they DID NOT GET ANY MORE VOTES, how is that improvement?!
When did I SAY THAT THERE HAD BEEN AN IMPROVEMENT??!!!!
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Considering that the 1997 and 2001 elections were considered absolute disasters, saying that they've done rather well implies you think they, you know, did rather well, not just keep a consistent level of disaster going.
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The Conservatives have made important gains. And please just read the Guardian article. I posted it because I couldn't be arced to argue.
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The fact that there are no more people voting for the Tories implies that they are doing well simply because of perculiarities in our system.

The absolute measure of success for political parties has to be in the number of people that voted for them.

Frankly, I don't think this represents a gain for the tories. It represents a loss for Labour; Labour have ballsed up extremely and have been punished with a mere majority of 65 (with 18 seats undeclared)!
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All the Conservatives have done is brought their level of seats up to what should be reasonably expected of them; it's frankly a miracle that seats like Enfield Southgate were ever Labour to begin with - the fact that it's taken them eight years to regain it shows how poorly they've fared in that time.
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All the Conservatives have done is brought their level of seats up to what should be reasonably expected of them; it's frankly a miracle that seats like Enfield Southgate were ever Labour to begin with - the fact that it's taken them eight years to regain it shows how poorly they've fared in that time.
Yes, but that just goes to reinforce my point. I realise that, quite frankly, the Conservatives are still not the opposition party that British politics craves, but this election result shows that they remain the strongest opposition and that they are beginning to get their act together again. The election of a new leader is crucial, as is how Labour perform this coming term.
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Yeah, but as I said, they still have less seats than Foot did after 1983. And it took Labour another 14 years after that 'disaster' before they came into government. Just being the second party in Parliament doesn't really amount to much when the gap is still as wide as this.

Personally, I think the Tories have had it fairly lucky at this election. If it hadn't been for Iraq, then I'm sure Labour would easily have had over a hundred seat majority. The Tories have won seats in spite of themselves.

At the next election, both Blair and Iraq will be neutral issues, and if the economy performs reasonably fair, or it improves, then the Tories will find it very difficult indeed. You could even see a slight reversal of this result.

It isn't helped by the fact that all the possible successors to Micheal Howard are both total non-entities and dull as ditchwater. Kenneth Clarke - who would almost certainly be the best candidate, electorally - is almost certainly past it, and would in any case face the kind of uphill struggle that Kinnock faced, if he was elected.

The man who would probably be 'best' out of the people who stand a reasonable chance of winning, would be Malcolm Rifkind, who has both the experience and the intelligence, but he doesn't seem to have any real potential for greatness, either. He's also just re-entered the scene, and that would count against him.

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Yeah, but as I said, they still have less seats than Foot did after 1983. And it took Labour another 14 years after that 'disaster' before they came into government. Just being the second party in Parliament doesn't really amount to much when the gap is still as wide as this.

Personally, I think the Tories have had it fairly lucky at this election. If it hadn't been for Iraq, then I'm sure Labour would easily have had over a hundred seat majority. The Tories have won seats in spite of themselves.

At the next election, both Blair and Iraq will be neutral issues, and if the economy performs reasonably fair, or it improves, then the Tories will find it very difficult indeed. You could even see a slight reversal of this result.

It isn't helped by the fact that all the possible successors to Micheal Howard are both total non-entities and dull as ditchwater. Kenneth Clarke - who would almost certainly be the best candidate, electorally - is almost certainly past it, and would in any case face the kind of uphill struggle that Kinnock faced, if he was elected.

The man who would probably be 'best' out of the people who stand a reasonable chance of winning, would be Malcolm Rifkind, who has both the experience and the intelligence, but he doesn't seem to have any real potential for greatness, either. He's also just re-entered the scene, and that would count against him.

David Davis is just a joke.
I agree on almost all those points. It's a shame that politics is fought on the middle-ground.
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Galloway is a ****ing twat, and I'm sorely dissapointed he was elected. However, that is no excuse for some of Paxmans' rantings.
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Also, I foolishly promised that I'd stay up until Stockton South was declared. The result was seven hours late.

I got about one hour of sleep.
I wanted to stay up until my constituency, Harlow, was declared but I gave up at 5.30AM. It is now one of two non-Northern Irish constituencies that STILL hasn't declared, 20 hours after the first results came in.
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Paxman came off worse. At one point he almost looked as if he was about to cry.
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It is now one of two non-Northern Irish constituencies that STILL hasn't declared,
Mabye the town hall burned down during the night and no-one has noticed yet. Has anyone checked?

Also, the other mainland seat you refer to has had it's election postponed due to the death of a candidate. So basically yours is the last non-NI seat in the country to declare.
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I'm also mildly appalled by any election which gives effective control to a political party with less than 50% of the vote. I find the tyranny of the majority morally reprehensible enough in it's own right but when it's not even a majority it's more
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David Trimble has just lost in Upper Bann.

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Re: [UK] Election Results

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it depresses me that labour have held the entirety of the north east
The Tories held Hexham.

(The fact that I was born in Hexham probably has something to do with how pleased I am about that result.)

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David Trimble has just lost in Upper Bann.

The UUP is, as we political people say, ****ed.
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It would have been quite astonishing indeed if the Tories had not held Hexham.
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"Today was the moment they had been working towards for the past seven years - destroying the career of the unionist leader who signed the Good Friday Agreement.

Just to emphasise the point, one DUP supporter waved a Simpson election poster, engraved with the words "This is a Good Friday". The crowd had earlier jeered at Mr Trimble. "

heh. Sad but funny.
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It would have been quite astonishing indeed if the Tories had not held Hexham.
why?

i live near Hexham and its a diverse and quite a contentious area. Compared to many seats Hexham is a real fight! It has never really being a safe tory seat.
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I wanted to stay up until my constituency, Harlow, was declared but I gave up at 5.30AM. It is now one of two non-Northern Irish constituencies that STILL hasn't declared, 20 hours after the first results came in.
What a good job you didn't.

Edit: I've just seen that Labour held it with a majority of 97. Quite close then.
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Success in the constituency I live in.
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And whereI voted except those pesky tories gained a few.
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Re: [UK] Election Results

yup, i got it wrong, didnt look at the map correctly, out of the whole of north east negland, torys held one seat, and lib dem held one seat, the rest stuck to labour
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Re: [UK] Election Results

you know, you have to wonder what it would have been like if UKIP and veritas (lol) hadn't stood in harlow, with that small a majority, those nearly 2k votes could have made a lot of diference
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Wtf is Veritas???
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