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Unread 7 Nov 2004, 16:45   #1
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Is Foxhunting really this important?

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homea...345569,00.html
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The ringleader of the group of hunt supporters who stormed the House of Commons has warned that ministers might be 'assassinated' as anger mounts over a possible ban on blood sports.
This is just stupid.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

The Toffs need to kill something, it's in their genes.

I'm not sure threatening to kill ministers will achieve anything mind.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

Minister Hunting!

All the fun, but without the cute red thing getting hurt!
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Oh, and considering that in the three years since 9/11, not a single minister has been assasinated, I find it incredulous that a band of rowdy, disaffected yokels would be able to top Al-Qaeda.
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Unread 7 Nov 2004, 17:18   #6
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

The Yokels have more chance becuase:
a) They're more intelligent
b) They're more organised
c) Al Quaeda haven't actually tried
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a) They're more inbred
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c) Al Quaeda haven't actually tried
And you know why they haven't tried?
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

If you're a fox it is very important, otherwise no it isn't.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

Why doesn't the government allow fox hunter hunting ?

Chasing some inbred retard round a field with a pack of hounds would be a vote winner for sure.

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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

The only problem with foxhunting is the fact that the sport is inhumane to animals.

If it was humane it'd be fine, however it'd also be most likely not what they want... they might as well lobby for wife beating while they are at it.

Running an animal across the countryside till it's heart explodes is callous, hunting an animal and catching it properly and giving it a swift death by the means you have chosen (bloodhounds) is much more humane.
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If it was humane it'd be fine, however it'd also be most likely not what they want... they might as well lobby for wife beating while they are at it.
I'm appalled if you consider fox hunting and wife beating to be remotely comparable.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

I dont give a **** about foxes, set them on fire for all i care.
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Question Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

Why don't they hunt cats?

Every sensible and moderate person would support that, surely?
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since when is hunting humane ?
When you kill the animal fairly.

Just like how when we eat beef the cows must be slaughtered in a humane way, they aren't allowed to be killed alive or be chased until their hearts explode, must be swift etc.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

Shot in the head means they've went from no suffering to dead.

Running till their heart explodes means they have dragged out final moments of suffering before death...

I don't see what's so hard about understanding the concept of inhumane and humane killing.

Surely a war criminal is worse if he slowly gassed his POW's to death instead of just shooting them all in the throes of war.
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I don't see what's so hard about understanding the concept of inhumane and humane killing.
It implies there's a difference when it comes to the treatment of animals. I'd say there's no difference as animals are not capable of what we term "suffering". But I accept that's a minority opinion not held by many.

On the matter at hand the question is not really how important fox hunting is. The question, to the hunt supporters at least, is how important their freedoms are. They consider this one of their fundamental rights which is being trampled on because of the dubious arguments of another group in society.

I don't really blame them for considering resorting to violence. If someone was trying to outlaw part of my culture (basically because I happened to be in a minority) I might consider those sort of threats.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

i fail to understand how they can outlaw fox hunting, yet sell fishing licences. eating hooks must be fuuun
as such, i see this as a cynical attempt to gain votes, and therefore yes, it's important

plus what dante said

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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

I think there is more to this issue to the 'inbred retard' toffs who have caught the headlines. Is there not a rural/urban divide here?
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

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When you kill the animal fairly.

Just like how when we eat beef the cows must be slaughtered in a humane way, they aren't allowed to be killed alive or be chased until their hearts explode, must be swift etc.
You're not allowed to kill cows which are alive?

..... off to kill dead cows then!
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

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The Toffs need to kill something, it's in their genes.

I'm not sure threatening to kill ministers will achieve anything mind.
i see nothing wrong with this, but why dont we make it mafia hunting

or prime minister hunting.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

i think assasination is a bit of a strong word.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

'Mercy Killing' would be somehow more appropriate.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

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It implies there's a difference when it comes to the treatment of animals. I'd say there's no difference as animals are not capable of what we term "suffering". But I accept that's a minority opinion not held by many.

On the matter at hand the question is not really how important fox hunting is. The question, to the hunt supporters at least, is how important their freedoms are. They consider this one of their fundamental rights which is being trampled on because of the dubious arguments of another group in society.

I don't really blame them for considering resorting to violence. If someone was trying to outlaw part of my culture (basically because I happened to be in a minority) I might consider those sort of threats.
Animals are capable of suffering.

Fish and Lobsters however... they don't even notice being cooked.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

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Animals are capable of suffering.

Fish and Lobsters however... they don't even notice being cooked.
That depends on your definitions. Most of us would define suffering as experiencing pain or distress. But experiencing pain is not necessarily something unpleasant. Masochists even enjoy experiencing pain. What we object to is people being forced to experience pain, ie the lack of consent. Animals, by virtue of being animals, cannot consent in the sense we mean so the whole argument is rendered null and void. You could argue we should never force any animal to do anything by virtue of their inability to offer consent but this leads to objections over ownership of animals (ownership being the ability to do what you wish with what you possess).



PS Just made this argument up and I like it
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

I'm pretty sure animals react to you causing them pain.. some don't mind some do (talking with experience of cats here).

I think you have confused the inability to be consenting with whatever your argument is, cause as far as your argument goes, it suggests that we can pretty much abuse children/handicapped as well.
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

Not so as people are entrusted with their care on the understanding that they will care for them in a specific way, in one case parents, in the other case relatives/health workers. Basically the argument is that human beings qua human beings ( ) object to pain being inflicted on them. Lack of consent is taken to be equatable (i think i just made that word up but never mind) with non-consent with human beings because we recognise human beings as possessing of both a certain ability and a certain potential deserving of being treated in a certain way. This is is the judaeo-christian principle of do unto others as you would have them do unto you. However animals are not others. We do not consider pain to be bad because it can be experienced, we consider it to be bad for other reasons. So the argument against pain being inflicted on animals coming from the perspective that it is wrong to inflict pain on something that can experience it a priori is not valid if you accept the first concept. Of course you can choose not to accept the first concept. Morality is a tricky business, is it not?


What a load of crap eh.
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you always love your own arguments
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

Assassinated over banning Fox Hunting eh? Sounds reasonable I guess (if your a relic of inbreding aristocracy who like chasing animals for miles then having their hounds rip it to shreds while alive)
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Re: Is Foxhunting really this important?

'We've been doing it for hundreds of years so how could it be wrong' is the general attitude of the pro-fox hunting rabble.

'It's our right' etc. :/
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