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Unread 6 Nov 2004, 22:00   #1
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Train Crash (UK)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3989277.stm

Any more details folks? I know that line, as i travel to I-Series events on the train, and ive been down it a few times. A lot of very rural areas and not a lot of stations.
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Question Re: Train Crash (UK)

Almost every train crash documented in this country within the last few years has seemed to involve a level crossing in some form or another. Am I the only one in thinking there may be some sort of general safety problem here, or are people who use level crossings simply becoming increasingly retarded?
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

The later.

Witness statement (Police officer happened to see, so decent enough witness) said a car drove onto the level crossing, and then stopped, barriers then came down. I don't see how that can be a flaw of the level crossing.

I live about 15 mins away from the site, but I wouldn't ever need to travel that way, so don't know the crossing in question. Its a standard crossing from the images I have seen, red warning lights, then an automatic barrier that drops soon after.

[Edit: Most of what I have written was in the article anyway, have just read it. Never mind.]
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

I was going to write something profound or at least sympathetic to the dead, but **** it this screws my Tuesday travel plans.

Stop dying, morons
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

It might have been suicide. If so, that's a pretty damn selfish way to commit suicide.
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

yeah, the best way to commit suicide is to:

dive off of a pretty large skyscraper into a crowd of people, take a lot of them out with you
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

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yeah, the best way to commit suicide is to:

dive off of a pretty large skyscraper into a crowd of people, take a lot of them out with you
that'd only work if you were a fat bastard.
And if you were a fat bastard you're probably too lazy to get to the top of the skyscraper let alone heave yourself over the edge.
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

It's pretty much open and shut suicide.
Given an off duty policeman saw the car drive onto the crossing and stop while the barriers were still up, I don't know how it can get any clearer.

And yes it's a very shit way to go about suicide, and if he/she has a headstone at their grave I sincerely hope something to the effect of "I murdered 7 people in order to get here" is engraved on it.
Seriously, no ammount of angst/depression/whatever excuses that sort of thing, and if there isn't some sort of way to have someone convicted as a murderer after their death then one should be sorted out.
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Cromwell was tried and executed posthumously, so I suppose anything's possible.
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

Well fortunately this sort of suicide (if that's what it was) doesn't appear to be very common so at least it's not something we need to try and deter on a large scale.

Having said that, I wonder if anti-social suicides in general (e.g. people throwing themselves in front of trains and the like) could be reduced if we offered medically assisted suicide for anyone who wanted it? With a cooling off period of a week say?
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Cromwell was tried and executed posthumously, so I suppose anything's possible.
Can we posthumously hang, draw and quarter him, throw his body in a pit and display his decapitated head on a pole outside Westminster Abbey for 24 years? Or would that be a bit over the top?
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Ah, the good old euthanasia debate.
I'd probably vote for it if it applied to those with terminal or permanently crippling illnesses/injuries only.

Doped up crackheads can go hang themselves from a tree, I really can't support wasting health service resources for people like that. Jesus, if you've really got to do it then get some sleeping pills and don't wake up again - it's nicer for you, and it doesn't involve murdering innocent people just because you couldn't cope with your life, you selfish prick.

Not that this sort of thing winds me up in the slightest.
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I'm not talking about euthanasia. I'm talking about you popping along to the doctors, filling out some forms, speaking to a psychologist for a few minutes, then coming back in a weeks time and if you still feel the same way they give you a lethal hit of morphine or whatever and that's that.
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Can we posthumously hang, draw and quarter him, throw his body in a pit and display his decapitated head on a pole outside Westminster Abbey for 24 years? Or would that be a bit over the top?
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Re: Train Crash (UK)

Its been noted a lot in the news, but how the **** did one car derail the train "that much". Must have been just right for the physics I guess.
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dude, remember it was going 90mph.
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Apparrently there is an advance warning system for trains that this sorta thing shouldn't happen, could the driver of the train be at fault?

I mean I imagine driving trains is rather boring repetitive easy to do work, speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, open doors, close doors, open doors, close them on that **** who's trying to get in at the last minute and pull away...

I could see how one's attention can wander on long expanses of track with no stations and miss this sort of thing.
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It's my understanding that the AWS is merely for signal blocks.

There was a proposal a while ago to fit CCTV cameras to rail crossings, but 'they' (probably Railtrack, whoever looks after this jazz) deemed that it wouldn't be worth it. Not for financial reasons note (the cost of CC is way less than the cost of changing all high speed crossings to tunnels/bridges as the Rail-workers Union wants), but for the fact that on a high speed line, the distance required to stop would exceed the warning given.

It is all fairly irrelevant if its suicide anyway... a determined person will always get onto the tracks if that is their wish. Be it smashing the barriers, driving down a bank etc. Theres not a lot you can do to stop someone who has that view in their head.
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It is all fairly irrelevant if its suicide anyway... a determined person will always get onto the tracks if that is their wish. Be it smashing the barriers, driving down a bank etc. Theres not a lot you can do to stop someone who has that view in their head.
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I mean I imagine driving trains is rather boring repetitive easy to do work .... open doors, close doors, open doors, close them on that **** who's trying to get in at the last minute


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Its been noted a lot in the news, but how the **** did one car derail the train "that much". Must have been just right for the physics I guess.
Apparently there was a junction soon after the level crossing. So the train careered along the tracks, and lost its grip on the turning, as the wheels were not firmly in place as they would be normally. Plus the condition of the tracks is likely to be crap, as its rainy down this end of the country at the moment.
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what a stupid way to commit suicide. i mean, what did he/she need the car for? if you just throw yourself in front of the train you have far better chances of success.
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what a stupid way to commit suicide. i mean, what did he/she need the car for? if you just throw yourself in front of the train you have far better chances of success.
Thats easier on the london underground. Personally I would chuck myself off a very high bridge onto rocks or something, definately something which wont harm others
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Thats easier on the london underground. Personally I would chuck myself off a very high bridge onto rocks or something, definately something which wont harm others
Well, not harm them physically. Might **** the person up who found you, and of course those that care(?) about you .
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suicide is painless
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In my personal opinion suicide is the most selfish thing you could ever do.
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apart from eating the last rolo of course
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In my personal opinion suicide is the most selfish thing you could ever do.
I think it's unhelpful to group together vastly different acts as universally selfish. An old man ending his life quietly on his own because his life-partner passed away the previous month seems radically different than some ****wit who decides to take a whole bunch of people with him.
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I think it's unhelpful to group together vastly different acts as universally selfish. An old man ending his life quietly on his own because his life-partner passed away the previous month seems radically different than some ****wit who decides to take a whole bunch of people with him.
ok yes, i was generalising. But the two examples you give are pretty much extremes either way. The old guy killing himself quietly is practically Euthanasia in my eyes anyway, which is a completely different argument...
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ok yes, i was generalising. But the two examples you give are pretty much extremes either way. The old guy killing himself quietly is practically Euthanasia in my eyes anyway, which is a completely different argument...
is this because he 'doesn't bother anybody', or because you think one person's unhappyness is 'better' than anothers?

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bit of column A, bit of column B.
If the old guy had family or friends of course it would be different - knowing your father or grandfather etc killed himself would be very upsetting.
The only time I would agree with suicide is to quicken certain death in a much less painful way.

I'm not saying it's clear-cut. I said I was generalising. But I stand by my view of the selfishness.
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